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Jun 28, 2018 02:17:34   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
emarine wrote:
For a long time the whole "chosen People" thing rubbed me the wrong way... now over time ????…


Oh no! Being the "chosen people" is not a good thing in a few ways. The spotlight has been on the Jews for millennia as both good and BAD examples for the rest of us.

I'd much rather NOT be chosen myself.

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Jun 28, 2018 07:29:08   #
Gatsby
 
Loki wrote:
Kennedy is retiring. I just got it on my email notice. If Ginsburg does the same, Trump will get three Supreme Court nominees and not only will the Court be stacked in the Constitution's favor, we will have the added benefit of watching Liberal heads explode.


Ginsburg will NEVER retire with any Republican in the W.H.! There seems to be a policy of Supream Court Justices only retiring

when their replacement will be chosen by a president from the same party that elevated them to that position. The reason behind that

being the preservation of a balanced court, only death can over ride such decisions.

How is that NOT a politically based decision

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Jun 28, 2018 09:33:36   #
Morgan
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I hear your frustration and feel your anger. When you have a group of more than three people, then it is true the topics wherever they are born from, become political. I don't remember who said it, but Mel Gibson said it in the movie "Patriot", when Benjamin Martin(Gibson) turned to his fellow colonialists and said, "Do I trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away?"

Funny thing about politics though, just like culture, religion, race and creed, the principles are political. And politics is just a way of solving these problems. Now the bigger the bureaucracy, the bigger the politics. What I mean here, is that people will lie, cheat, steal, and murder to get their own way.

As far as lying, I have noticed that there are many that don't understand what a lie is. I can forgive a person from lying as the lie is exposed as "the person giving the information does not know it is a lie", or even if at the time of the statement, the statement was not a lie but became a lie after the fact. We all know that a lie is a false truth. But when truth becomes a lie that is dangerous territory. If the person did not know the truth and was assuming that the statement was the truth that is one thing. But the blatant denial of truth or principle is an unforgivable lie.

Among the conditions of the human person, that come out quite often in a social atmosphere, are politics, religion, culture, logic and reason. Principles make a framework of rules to govern these conditions. The campaigning for a person or an idea, is politics. The theory of God or a supreme being is religion. Now religion can have politics by itself and is most prone to political reasoning. Then you have culture which is built upon both religion and politics. Finally there is logic and reason.

The framers of the Constitution of the United States under stood these conditions, and framed the conditions in an orderly fashion to allow freedom for all and to limit the government to deter tyrants. Therefore, instead of using in modern law, religion, politics, culture, social interaction, as foundations for law, they used simple and plain logic and reason.

Through logic and reason and understanding or a wisdom develops which negates some rules established in politics, religion, culture, etc. Problems occur when one side of a situation becomes intolerant to the other side. Like Left wing politics or right wing politics, or even liberal vs conservatives etc. What we are witnessing right now in American History is a time where the Right wingers, (generally called conservatives) and the left wingers(generally called liberal) are refusing to work in peace and harmony together. On one side we have a complaint with no foundation (liberal media), on the other side we have conservatives who can't decide what to do. But both sides do not like who is leading the country.

So the liberals attack Trump, going against the very same principles they have been preaching for over 40 years. The conservatives seem to be dumbfounded as Mitt Romney was when he got President Obama to admit that Obama was responsible for the deaths of the Americans in Benghazi.

Meanwhile Trump is shoring up the country by taking action. He does this by following the Laws passed by Congress and now, the very ones who supported such laws are demonizing the President for following the laws they wrote and passed.

Now that I've established the principles of the frame work this country has established. And now that I've identified the problems that we face, I ask you all you parents out there, How do we keep the kids from fighting and resolve this intolerable show of force from with in this country?

How?
I hear your frustration and feel your anger. When ... (show quote)


As always by setting good examples, something this president hasn't done. For example, when he states "he would beat the crap out of them" he brings himself down to a schoolyard mentality and not that of an educated adult. And yes I said educated, contrary to those on the far right, education is not a bad word.

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Jun 28, 2018 11:42:04   #
Morgan
 
Loki wrote:
Kennedy is retiring. I just got it on my email notice. If Ginsburg does the same, Trump will get three Supreme Court nominees and not only will the Court be stacked in the Constitution's favor, we will have the added benefit of watching Liberal heads explode.


Do you think this is just by coincidence? Funny you see very comfortable with an unbalanced supreme court system, and to believe the right is more aligned to the constitution is quite naive and a bit bias. What seems to presently be is the new ideology of the right is to stay within the law but ethics be damned. Who needs stinking ethics. All's fair in the law and ethics, correct?

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Jun 28, 2018 14:21:35   #
Cripple
 
Good post! I feel like I would love to have a long conversation(s) with you.
The "children", I like that part, is through love. I know it sounds whimpy to come from a guy. I believe everything we do is because of love. If we didn't love it, then we wouldn't put the effort into it. You are a good writer.
I don't expect a response, I'll make a comment, I just saw a video on you-tube a woman coming across as such, what I use to say, a single-digit mental-midget talking to this hispanic man that the President says all of "them" are rapist and thieves. I just laughed after watching this that it must be pre-planned and those two in the video are actors. I'm sure I'm wrong, there are people that bigoted. I know for sure since the time I was condemned to a wheelchair myself and how someone like me fits into a society that has 2 working legs.
You have a good mind and can do well, hope you do.

Ranger7374 wrote:
I hear your frustration and feel your anger. When you have a group of more than three people, then it is true the topics wherever they are born from, become political. I don't remember who said it, but Mel Gibson said it in the movie "Patriot", when Benjamin Martin(Gibson) turned to his fellow colonialists and said, "Do I trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away?"

Funny thing about politics though, just like culture, religion, race and creed, the principles are political. And politics is just a way of solving these problems. Now the bigger the bureaucracy, the bigger the politics. What I mean here, is that people will lie, cheat, steal, and murder to get their own way.

As far as lying, I have noticed that there are many that don't understand what a lie is. I can forgive a person from lying as the lie is exposed as "the person giving the information does not know it is a lie", or even if at the time of the statement, the statement was not a lie but became a lie after the fact. We all know that a lie is a false truth. But when truth becomes a lie that is dangerous territory. If the person did not know the truth and was assuming that the statement was the truth that is one thing. But the blatant denial of truth or principle is an unforgivable lie.

Among the conditions of the human person, that come out quite often in a social atmosphere, are politics, religion, culture, logic and reason. Principles make a framework of rules to govern these conditions. The campaigning for a person or an idea, is politics. The theory of God or a supreme being is religion. Now religion can have politics by itself and is most prone to political reasoning. Then you have culture which is built upon both religion and politics. Finally there is logic and reason.

The framers of the Constitution of the United States under stood these conditions, and framed the conditions in an orderly fashion to allow freedom for all and to limit the government to deter tyrants. Therefore, instead of using in modern law, religion, politics, culture, social interaction, as foundations for law, they used simple and plain logic and reason.

Through logic and reason and understanding or a wisdom develops which negates some rules established in politics, religion, culture, etc. Problems occur when one side of a situation becomes intolerant to the other side. Like Left wing politics or right wing politics, or even liberal vs conservatives etc. What we are witnessing right now in American History is a time where the Right wingers, (generally called conservatives) and the left wingers(generally called liberal) are refusing to work in peace and harmony together. On one side we have a complaint with no foundation (liberal media), on the other side we have conservatives who can't decide what to do. But both sides do not like who is leading the country.

So the liberals attack Trump, going against the very same principles they have been preaching for over 40 years. The conservatives seem to be dumbfounded as Mitt Romney was when he got President Obama to admit that Obama was responsible for the deaths of the Americans in Benghazi.

Meanwhile Trump is shoring up the country by taking action. He does this by following the Laws passed by Congress and now, the very ones who supported such laws are demonizing the President for following the laws they wrote and passed.

Now that I've established the principles of the frame work this country has established. And now that I've identified the problems that we face, I ask you all you parents out there, How do we keep the kids from fighting and resolve this intolerable show of force from with in this country?

How?
I hear your frustration and feel your anger. When ... (show quote)

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Jun 28, 2018 14:28:37   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Morgan wrote:
As always by setting good examples, something this president hasn't done. For example, when he states "he would beat the crap out of them" he brings himself down to a schoolyard mentality and not that of an educated adult. And yes I said educated, contrary to those on the far right, education is not a bad word.


You can't be nice to inverate liars who hide behind process and "propriety".

We've been in a civil war since the left decided they wouldn't accept the election results.

How much worse it gets is totally up to them.

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Jun 28, 2018 14:31:38   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Morgan wrote:
Do you think this is just by coincidence? Funny you see very comfortable with an unbalanced supreme court system, and to believe the right is more aligned to the constitution is quite naive and a bit bias. What seems to presently be is the new ideology of the right is to stay within the law but ethics be damned. Who needs stinking ethics. All's fair in the law and ethics, correct?


Very comfortable! Ethics my ass! We'd be paying taxes to Brussels if the left was in charge...which they ain't gonna be after the tactics we've seen them use. No way.

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Jun 28, 2018 20:07:07   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
ron vrooman wrote:
It is about individual, unalienable, creator granted, Declared, demanded, guaranteed Constitutionally and by Articles of Confederation RIGHTS. Not some suck ass privilege granted by the city of subdivision of county of subdivision of state of subdivision of US Inc that lost its corporate charter and is a shell of corporate governance in color of law. Republicans and Democrats have no proprietary claims on evil. I am not guaranteed a two party system. That is for their benefit not mine. I am. Is absofuckinglutely critical that each member of we the people or know as such be the first to benefit.

War does not benefit me the flesh, blood and soul man. It does benefit some. I think The Donald is on my side on that one. Ethics in action.
It is about individual, unalienable, creator grant... (show quote)


America has a purpose and it's not with the Europeans who are about to take a very dark path.

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Jun 28, 2018 21:20:22   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
while that is a possibility, one hates to lend credence to a negative prognostication that is not in our best interests. If you are being impeccable with your word. would you restate that?

BigMike wrote:
America has a purpose and it's not with the Europeans who are about to take a very dark path.

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Jun 28, 2018 21:29:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
vettelover wrote:
The best book on the subject is:

Men in Black: How the Supreme Court is Destroying America

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Jun 28, 2018 21:55:12   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Morgan wrote:
Do you think this is just by coincidence? Funny you see very comfortable with an unbalanced supreme court system, and to believe the right is more aligned to the constitution is quite naive and a bit bias. What seems to presently be is the new ideology of the right is to stay within the law but ethics be damned. Who needs stinking ethics. All's fair in the law and ethics, correct?
What planet do you live on? The US Supreme Court has not functioned as it was intended for a long time. It has become the Politburo of liberal progressivism. Leftist SCOTUS activists have far exceeded the authority granted them by the Constitution and have damn near destroyed our entire American system of justice.

All officers and federal employees--elected, appointed, enlisted or hired--must swear the oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, this, of course, includes Supreme Court justices. The job of the justices is to assure that laws established in the US must pass a constitutional test. Period.

If the SCOTUS rules on a law I find disagreeable, but it is determined to be fully constitutional, then I have no reason to oppose it. It is long past time for SCOTUS to return to its constitutional duty and put an end to judicial tyranny.

Holding onto hate is like drinking poison hoping that the other person will die.

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Jun 28, 2018 22:01:03   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Blade_Runner wrote:


Have not read it. That settles what I will read in Rodanthe in a few weeks. Thank you

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Jun 28, 2018 22:16:13   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
the bogus AT 2 weighs in. do not trust this guy.

Blade_Runner wrote:

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Jun 28, 2018 22:29:09   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
The correction on the acronym is SCOTUSA.

Blade_Runner wrote:
What planet do you live on? The US Supreme Court has not functioned as it was intended for a long time. It has become the Politburo of liberal progressivism. Leftist SCOTUS activists have far exceeded the authority granted them by the Constitution and have damn near destroyed our entire American system of justice.

All officers and federal employees--elected, appointed, enlisted or hired--must swear the oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, this, of course, includes Supreme Court justices. The job of the justices is to assure that laws established in the US must pass a constitutional test. Period.

If the SCOTUS rules on a law I find disagreeable, but it is determined to be fully constitutional, then I have no reason to oppose it. It is long past time for SCOTUS to return to its constitutional duty and put an end to judicial tyranny.

Holding onto hate is like drinking poison hoping that the other person will die.
What planet do you live on? The US Supreme Court ... (show quote)

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Jun 29, 2018 00:07:48   #
Morgan
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What planet do you live on? The US Supreme Court has not functioned as it was intended for a long time. It has become the Politburo of liberal progressivism. Leftist SCOTUS activists have far exceeded the authority granted them by the Constitution and have damn near destroyed our entire American system of justice.

All officers and federal employees--elected, appointed, enlisted or hired--must swear the oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, this, of course, includes Supreme Court justices. The job of the justices is to assure that laws established in the US must pass a constitutional test. Period.

If the SCOTUS rules on a law I find disagreeable, but it is determined to be fully constitutional, then I have no reason to oppose it.
Holding onto hate is like drinking poison hoping that the other person will die.
What planet do you live on? The US Supreme Court ... (show quote)




Then I would suggest to stop drinking the poison.

In one breath you denounce the SCOTUS declaring it to not have functioned and "damn near destroyed our justice system in many years due to (of course) liberalism, during these years lets not forget the passing of Citizens United ruling, not of the liberal platform. In your immediate statement following that "The job of the justices is to assure that laws established in the US must pass a constitutional test. Period." Which is it, because both comments are contradictory to each other.

I can see by your very comment "It is long past time for SCOTUS to return to its constitutional duty and put an end to judicial tyranny."
That you are gearing up to a righteous platform of what will be coming next, which will be to make their Constitutional judgements according to the wants of only the majority ruling party, and not consider the other side at all, which is right in sync to what you've have been doing since you've all gotten into office. Funny the very sins you condemned Obama for, your party is doing tenfold, not for justice or fairness but simply to invoke your power without considering the desire of the majority of the "people."

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