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Jun 24, 2018 20:19:00   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
You are welcome at my place anytime. I am always happy to serve any who come. I don't always serve baby backs though. Some days it's high speed lead. Pick your day.


Can you, um, send a schedule, please.

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Jun 24, 2018 20:20:34   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Wow, and this is what the Right has become.


It is reaching that point where people like this are going to have to be veted, before they can work in areas where food is prepared for the public, because of their hatred towards heterosexuals..
And yes this is what we are becoming.
Thanks for the topic. People need to be well informed as to the world around them.

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Jun 24, 2018 20:36:14   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
This would be true if 1.) Ms. Sanders gained anything from her actions and 2.) if her tweet was to intentionally ruin a business and do so would have a potential gain for herself, personal friend, or relative. Otherwise, her tweet was simply a response to her being questioned by other tweeters about the situation. Had she not responded you would find fault, she responded and you find fault. The Red Hen will close its doors or be sold. They were clearly wrong in their denial of service.

rumitoid wrote:
If she does lose her business, Sarah Sanders may be prosecuted for an ethics violation. Careful what you wish for.

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Jun 24, 2018 23:04:35   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
This would be true if 1.) Ms. Sanders gained anything from her actions and 2.) if her tweet was to intentionally ruin a business and do so would have a potential gain for herself, personal friend, or relative. Otherwise, her tweet was simply a response to her being questioned by other tweeters about the situation. Had she not responded you would find fault, she responded and you find fault. The Red Hen will close its doors or be sold. They were clearly wrong in their denial of service.


Maybe. But I believe ethics are not to be quibbled. Her Tweet from her official Twitter account as Press Secretary directly and negatively affected that business. Intent does not matter.

They were not clearly wrong in denying her service. It was, as explained, a moral issue for the owner: SS was part of a corrupt regime. Bake a cake or cook a meal what is the difference? It is not discriminatory, just wise.

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Jun 25, 2018 10:33:34   #
Gatsby
 
rumitoid wrote:
LEXINGTON, Va. - Stephanie Wilkinson was at home Friday evening - nearly 200 miles from the White House - when the choice presented itself.

Her phone rang about 8 p.m. It was the chef at the Red Hen, the tiny farm-to-table restaurant that she co-owned just off Main Street in this small city in the western part of the state.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders had just walked in and sat down, the chef informed her.

"He said the staff is a little concerned. What should we do?" Wilkinson told The Washington Post. "I said I'd be down to see if it's true."

It seemed unlikely to her that President Donald Trump's press secretary should be dining at a 26-seat restaurant in rural Virginia. But then, it was unlikely that her entire staff would have misidentified Sanders, who had arrived last to a table of eight booked under her husband's name.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Saturday she was booted from a Virginia restaurant because she works for President Donald Trump, becoming the latest administration official to experience a brusque reception in a public setting. (June 23 )
Media: Associated Press

As she made the short drive to the Red Hen, Wilkinson knew only this:
She knew Lexington, population 7,000, had voted overwhelmingly against Trump in a county that voted overwhelmingly for him. She knew the community was deeply divided over such issues as Confederate flags. She knew, she said, that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu.

And she knew - she believed - that Sarah Huckabee Sanders worked in the service of an "inhumane and unethical" administration. That she publicly defended the president's cruelest policies, and that that could not stand.

"I'm not a huge fan of confrontation," Wilkinson said. "I have a business, and I want the business to thrive. This feels like the moment in our democracy when people have to make uncomfortable actions and decisions to uphold their morals."

When she walked into the restaurant, Wilkinson saw that there had been no mistake. The Red Hen is no bigger than some apartments, and the group table was impossible to miss: Sanders in a black dress, her husband, three or four men and women of roughly similar ages, and an older couple.

"They had cheese boards in front of them," Wilkinson said. Like any other family. The kitchen was already preparing the party's main course. Wilkinson interrupted to huddle with her workers.

Several Red Hen employees are gay, she said. They knew Sanders had defended Trump's desire to bar transgender people from the military. This month, they had all watched her evade questions and defend a Trump policy that caused migrant children to be separated from their parents.

"Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," Wilkinson told her staff, she said. "They said 'yes.' "

It was important to Wilkinson, she said, that Sanders had already been served - that her staff had not simply refused her on sight. And it was important to her that Sanders was a public official, not just a customer with whom she disagreed, many of whom were included in her regular clientele.

All the same, she was tense as she walked up to the press secretary's chair.

"I said, 'I'm the owner,' " she recalled, " 'I'd like you to come out to the patio with me for a word.' "

They stepped outside, into another small enclosure, but at least out of the crowded restaurant.

"I was babbling a little, but I got my point across in a polite and direct fashion," Wilkinson said. "I explained that the restaurant has certain standards that I feel it has to uphold, such as honesty, and compassion, and cooperation.

"I said, 'I'd like to ask you to leave.' "

Wilkinson didn't know how Sanders would react, or whether Trump's chief spokeswoman had been called out in a restaurant before - as the president's homeland security secretary had been days earlier.

Sanders' response was immediate, Wilkinson said: " 'That's fine. I'll go.' "

Sanders went back to the table, picked up her things and walked out. The others at her table had been welcome to stay, Wilkinson said. But they didn't, so the servers cleared away the cheese plates and glasses.

"They offered to pay," Wilkinson said. "I said, 'No. It's on the house.' "

At the end of the shift, Wilkinson said, staff members left the usual overnight note in the kitchen for the morning manager: a problem with the credit card machine. Restock vodka and tequila.

If you've ever heard the term "to 86 someone," it comes from the restaurant industry - code to refuse service, or alternatively to take an item off the menu.

"86 - Sara Huckabee Sanders," read the note, below the reminder to buy more Pellegrino.

One of the servers photographed the whiteboard before going home Friday. He had posted it to his public Facebook wall by the time Wilkinson woke up Saturday. For all the angst that evening, Wilkinson said, everything had taken place with decorum. She had been polite; Sanders had been polite; the press secretary's family had been polite as they followed her out the door.

Not so much the rest of the world, as it discovered Red Hen waiter Jaike Foley-Schultz's Facebook post: "I just served Sarah huckabee sanders for a total of 2 minutes before my owner asked her to leave."

A fountain of alternately celebratory and outraged comments gushed from Foley-Schultz's Facebook wall into the Red Hen's social media accounts, then its Yelp review page.

Five stars: "Thank you for refusing to serve a person who lies to the American people for a living."

One star: "They made some snide remark about a 'spit souffle' for the Florida nazi.' "

Between the fury and fawning of 2,000 people who almost certainly had not eaten at the restaurant, the Red Hen's Yelp reviews almost instantly averaged out to two-and-a-half stars. Another Red Hen in the District of Columbia was at pains to make clear that it had no affiliation with Wilkinson's place.

And that was before Sanders confirmed the story in a Saturday-morning tweet, including the restaurant's name and location.

"I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so," the press secretary wrote. "Her actions say far more about her than about me."

Wilkinson had no regrets about her decision.

"I would have done the same thing again," she said "We just felt there are moments in time when people need to live their convictions. This appeared to be one."

As she headed out the door to a weekend Main Street festival she had helped organize, she sounded hopeful that the Red Hen could open for business as usual Saturday night. Yes, she had seen calls for #MAGA protests on Facebook. "But this is a small enough town, and we're known," she said optimistically. "This is not going to be a giant surprise to anyone."
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Why-a-small-town-restaurant-owner-asked-Sarah-13020290.php?ipid=newsrecirc
LEXINGTON, Va. - Stephanie Wilkinson was at home F... (show quote)


Tolerance is a two way street. Show none, expect none.

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Jun 25, 2018 12:14:14   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
proud republican wrote:
I honestly hope that she loses her business....Political discrimination has no business in American Society....


Don't forget...Sweet Cakes by Malissa in Oregon DID lose it's business because of gay activism. The gay couple could have easily went to another bakery. On the other hand, Mrs. Sanders left immediately when asked to do so, was very polite about it, and even offered to pay for what little her party did get.

Can you liberals NOT SEE the difference.?

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Jun 25, 2018 22:49:48   #
rumitoid
 
proud republican wrote:
I honestly hope that she loses her business....Political discrimination has no business in American Society....


Religious discrimination has business in American Society?

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Jun 25, 2018 23:09:21   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I would think that religion is an integral part of individuals whereas political preferences are subject to change depending on the individual heading parties and as elections are decided.

BTW, did you see the follow on stories to this saga? It seems that the owner of the Red Hen organized a group of people and followed Ms. Sander's guest to another establishment across the street and loudly protested them..... although Mr and Ms. Sanders elected to leave the party and go home. Now..... do tell me, do you see that as a rational and defendable action?

rumitoid wrote:
Religious discrimination has business in American Society?

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Jun 25, 2018 23:16:19   #
rumitoid
 
maximus wrote:
Don't forget...Sweet Cakes by Malissa in Oregon DID lose it's business because of gay activism. The gay couple could have easily went to another bakery. On the other hand, Mrs. Sanders left immediately when asked to do so, was very polite about it, and even offered to pay for what little her party did get.

Can you liberals NOT SEE the difference.?


No, that is class. Good for her. But then a national whine from her official WH account kind of erases her efforts.

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Jun 25, 2018 23:20:40   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I would think that religion is an integral part of individuals whereas political preferences are subject to change depending on the individual heading parties and as elections are decided.

BTW, did you see the follow on stories to this saga? It seems that the owner of the Red Hen organized a group of people and followed Ms. Sander's guest to another establishment across the street and loudly protested them..... although Mr and Ms. Sanders elected to leave the party and go home. Now..... do tell me, do you see that as a rational and defendable action?
I would think that religion is an integral part of... (show quote)


No, I did not know of that followup development. I see that as wrong, harassment. If it happened, but not doubting you. However, the assumption it is political and not a matter of conscience, is not clearly determined.

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Jun 27, 2018 19:58:42   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Title of the thread: The other side of the Sarah Sanders unethical whine

Show me where she whined you lying liar. She was very polite considering.

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Sanders has her own site. Why would she use the government site instead. Makes one think. No?

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Jun 27, 2018 20:04:06   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Alicia wrote:
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Sanders has her own site. Why would she use the government site instead. Makes one think. No?

Show me where she whined.

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Jun 27, 2018 21:28:10   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
mwdegutis wrote:
Show me where she whined.

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By depicting herself as very broadminded and posing as the victim. She likes the victim role even though she is rather cutting in the press room. There is absolutely no reason to advertise the incident.

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Jun 28, 2018 05:15:52   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Alicia wrote:
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By depicting herself as very broadminded and posing as the victim. She likes the victim role even though she is rather cutting in the press room. There is absolutely no reason to advertise the incident.


My goodness ! She didn't advertise...she responded to questions about it. By putting it on her WH twitter account, she let EVERYBODY know who wanted to know ( reporters (so-called)). She has been very quiet about it since.
I believe that S. Wilkinson is the one bragging and seeking attention.
If you really believe that Sara Sanders was NOT the victim, then I would like to sell you some ocean front property in Arizona.

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Jun 28, 2018 06:08:51   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Alicia wrote:
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By depicting herself as very broadminded and posing as the victim. She likes the victim role even though she is rather cutting in the press room. There is absolutely no reason to advertise the incident.

Show me SPECIFICALLY where she whined.

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