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Jun 16, 2018 01:59:56   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
Money is and has been what has always motivated criminal hill.. They are the hand puppets of the big boys with the real money, that actually do run this country and many others.

The only two party system in our country is We the People vs criminal hill elitism..

The dummies are we the people that gave them power over us and then did not hold them accountable for their Dereliction of duty..

Why are you now anti~voters?? Do you vote, btw??? I certainly hope you haven’t thrown away that right in your disgust..

One more thing~~

Clinton signed NAFTAinto law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs... Clinton supported this garbage bil from inception to his signing of it into law..”American jobs, and good-paying American jobs” is what he said..” If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

Whats up with accusing others while doing the very thing your rant is on??? Lazy sheeple, you say~~ Alrightyyyyy then.. What are you doing with this postt??? What is its purpose??
Bitching just to bitch??

Entitled to your own opinion you shouldn’t be so eager to belittle others with your careless tone of discord and only assumption of what or how or who vetts things.. Don’t recall the displeasure of your company prior to this thread.. Never assume, quickest way to make an ass out u and me.. .You know the saying...
Money is and has been what has always motivated cr... (show quote)


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Jun 16, 2018 02:09:31   #
debeda
 
maryjane wrote:
While I agree that too many of our citizens pay no attention to anything outside their daily lives, anything that doesn't directly affect them, your statement is unfair. You mention us not reading NAFTA, we NEVER get to see/read complete originals of any of these actions, including anything/everything down by congress. And certainly, we never hear about these things until they are already done deals. For 2-3 weeks now, we have been hearing about the possible DACA/immigration proposals to be considered by Congress, but we have seen a complete copy of any of them.
While I agree that too many of our citizens pay no... (show quote)


And THAT is one of the big problems, MJ. I have often opined that now that we have the internet people should be allowed to vote on issues instead of being informed of something when it's a "done deal" as you said!

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Jun 16, 2018 07:31:24   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
Good morning and Thank You..Tis a fabulous day!!!

The sun rising spectacular.. The birds begin chirping, color of flowers bursting before your eyes...,Fresh coffee steaming and you suddenly realize just how magnificent we all are and blessed with the beauty of a world that sparkles even in its rough stage...
Like a diamond in the rough eventually its brilliance astounds us...

Grateful to be a part of the beauty given if we only stop, see and listen...
Good morning and Thank You..Tis a fabulous day!!! ... (show quote)

Good morning. I did enjoy God'sbeautiful sunrise this morning and a hot cup of coffee and a cigarette.

I feel much better today, yesterday I was kind of under the weather and Mother nurse was fussing about me getting up so early so i went to bed at 17::00 hours (5 pm

God bless, protect and preserve America, lindajoy, President Trump and his beautiful first Lady, all true American patriots every where.

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Jun 16, 2018 07:50:36   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
Good morning. I did enjoy God'sbeautiful sunrise this morning and a hot cup of coffee and a cigarette.

I feel much better today, yesterday I was kind of under the weather and Mother nurse was fussing about me getting up so early so i went to bed at 17::00 hours (5 pm

God bless, protect and preserve America, lindajoy, President Trump and his beautiful first Lady, all true American patriots every where.


I am glad you are doing better today!! Also glad you have Mother nurse to watch over you too..

Mornings such a special time to enjoy the solitude of the new day as it brings us everything new and refreshed all day as well..

I think my travels have caught up with me too.. looking forward to a day declared as “do nothing but relax today”... Sometimes we just need them...

Stay healthy my friend, take it easy and if you can nap today, consider doing so..🌹🌺🍮🍮

May your angels watch over you and God Bless you, our country and President Trump...

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Jun 16, 2018 08:34:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
I am glad you are doing better today!! Also glad you have Mother nurse to watch over you too..

Mornings such a special time to enjoy the solitude of the new day as it brings us everything new and refreshed all day as well..

I think my travels have caught up with me too.. looking forward to a day declared as “do nothing but relax today”... Sometimes we just need them...

Stay healthy my friend, take it easy and if you can nap today, consider doing so..🌹🌺🍮🍮

May your angels watch over you and God Bless you, our country and President Trump...
I am glad you are doing better today!! Also glad y... (show quote)


My doctor's orders are mother nurse's marching orders and they are strictly carried out. I was politely informed that mother nurse out ranked a lowly ranked MARINE captain.

I Have too take a nap from noon and it usually lasts utill four.

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Jun 16, 2018 10:45:19   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
My doctor's orders are mother nurse's marching orders and they are strictly carried out. I was politely informed that mother nurse out ranked a lowly ranked MARINE captain.

I Have too take a nap from noon and it usually lasts utill four.


Unfortunately, Mother nurse does out rank a stubborn Marine Captain... While you believe yourself to be invincible she knows better!! So put a smile on that beautiful face and let life rock you!!!!! Orrrrrrrrr face Mother nurse and Lindajoy for a wrestling match that will leave your Derrière a hurten, Mister!!! Not a threat, a promise!!!❤️🌹

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Jun 16, 2018 14:44:39   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
Cripple wrote:
Ever hear that term? How about “Sheeple”? (Means people who act like sheep).

No more Trump supporter for me. I’m now anti-voters. Yes, I’ve taken critical-thinking to the next level of cynic. Money, is what it’s all about, maneuvering the “Sheeple” so those with money make more money. Deceit is used most often and the sheeple follow along.

Do you know anyone who trusts our own U.S. government?

Do you know anyone who trusts our own media? You do know there is little difference between the two, or don’t you?

What political party introduced NAFTA? Remember a So. Arizona Representative Kolbe (the first openly gay member of Congress) a Republican. The liars in the media counted on YOU (the sheeple) not reading the NAFTA Bill, in your laziness would be unethical and believe whatever you’re told rather than put the effort into actual reading. See how easy it is to identify these unethical people when they take the easy route and yell-at, name-call, someone like me rather than do what is right and use some gray-matter between their ears and study-up. Oh, that’s right they’re sheeple.

Article II Section IV (U.S. Constitution verbatim [means exactly the way it’s written, dummy])
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Ever hear that term? How about “Sheeple”? (Means p... (show quote)


Were you thinking of making a point or just a confession?

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Jun 16, 2018 14:47:46   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
lindajoy wrote:
Money is and has been what has always motivated criminal hill.. They are the hand puppets of the big boys with the real money, that actually do run this country and many others.

The only two party system in our country is We the People vs criminal hill elitism..

The dummies are we the people that gave them power over us and then did not hold them accountable for their Dereliction of duty..

Why are you now anti~voters?? Do you vote, btw??? I certainly hope you haven’t thrown away that right in your disgust..

One more thing~~

Clinton signed NAFTAinto law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs... Clinton supported this garbage bil from inception to his signing of it into law..”American jobs, and good-paying American jobs” is what he said..” If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

Whats up with accusing others while doing the very thing your rant is on??? Lazy sheeple, you say~~ Alrightyyyyy then.. What are you doing with this postt??? What is its purpose??
Bitching just to bitch??

Entitled to your own opinion you shouldn’t be so eager to belittle others with your careless tone of discord and only assumption of what or how or who vetts things.. Don’t recall the displeasure of your company prior to this thread.. Never assume, quickest way to make an ass out u and me.. .You know the saying...
Money is and has been what has always motivated cr... (show quote)


Very well said Lady

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Jun 16, 2018 22:18:14   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
lindajoy wrote:
Unfortunately, Mother nurse does out rank a stubborn Marine Captain... While you believe yourself to be invincible she knows better!! So put a smile on that beautiful face and let life rock you!!!!! Orrrrrrrrr face Mother nurse and Lindajoy for a wrestling match that will leave your Derrière a hurten, Mister!!! Not a threat, a promise!!!❤️🌹
Unfortunately, Mother nurse does out rank a stubbo... (show quote)


Oh my God, I'm out nn, lindajoy, mother nurse, even my saw bones is against me.

Well this old marine and his faithful junk yard cat that is a lean fighting machine and bad to the bone, will fight to the bitter end.

WAIT, THAT IS NOT FAIR, "Mother Nurse dosent play fair. How can you fight bribes?

My junk yard cat just surrendered to a warm bowl of milk and now Mother Nurse is trying to bribe me with a cigarette and a cup of coffee.

Hell I may as well surrender, enjoy the coffee and cigarette for now. There's tomorrow to regroup and fight again😆

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Jun 17, 2018 12:54:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
[quote=lindajoy]Philadelphia~~

http://www.phillytrib.com/news/city-volunteers-inspect-voting-machines/article_8d8f56af-cb49-51fa-8719-693fd6cd10f7.html

City and independent officials tested the city’s voting machines on Friday morning as the nation gears up for the Nov. 6 presidential election.

“People need to have faith that the result of an election is fair,” said City Commissioner Stephanie Singer, who was on hand to observe. “The basis of the whole election is the counting of the votes, and that they should be counted as cast.”

In addition to Singer, the political watchdog group The Committee of Seventy was on hand, as were campaign volunteers.

Typically both parties and both campaigns send volunteers. This year only the Obama campaign sent volunteers: Ellen Zeng and Edson Rafferty. The Romney campaign pulled out of Pennsylvania several weeks ago.

Zeng and Rafferty watch as the machines are explained and sample votes cast. In just a few seconds a technician pulls out the tape that records the votes to make sure they’ve been recorded accurately. <snip>Much more to read

Michigan checks and balances, now new machines because “irregularities “were detected ...

Tells you who does them or actually who didn’t, given their problems 2016, it tells me they weren’t checking or testing anything!
And while President Donald Trump has questioned the integrity of the vote in states, Johnson said the new system still is not connected to the Internet, and a paper trail remains because paper ballots still will be used. The state has not yet turned over voter information to the commission Trump appointed to look into voting in the nation.

https://amp.freep.com/amp/532782001

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_8716-27476--,00.html

Michigan is a mess!! Talk about needing centralized ballots in paper this state does!!!

Note with interest who is responsible for verification of ballots etc...


County Clerks: The 83 county clerks in the state receive and canvass petitions for countywide and district offices which do not cross county lines and accept campaign finance disclosure reports from local candidates. In addition, The county clerks are responsible for training precinct inspectors and assisting with the administration of Michigan's Qualified Voter File system. Soooo, again, who are these inspectors ?? County clerk traines them??? Who checks the machine if needed??

County Election Commissions: Each of the 83 County Election Commissions in the state is composed of the county clerk, the chief judge of probate of the county or probate court district, and the county treasurer. The Commission members are responsible for furnishing specified election supplies (including ballots) for statewide August primaries, statewide November general elections and special primaries and elections held to fill vacancies in federal, state and county offices. In addition, the Commission members are responsible for holding hearings to determine the clarity of the wording used on recall petitions.
All these sites do is tell us what is requred and who does what, but nothing is reported specifically on problems, repairz, if in fact inspections are or were done.. All by design perhaps??

We already scream rigged elections, why would they educate us on the true problems
??

Click on the sub sites to see as much ss you want on states.. Does not andwer your inquiry though...

Suspect the vendor needs to be known, going right the source and asking for their findings.. Public record I would assume and therefore made available to we citizens or if not a Subpoena... They will object as work product priveldge because if they did have problems with their machine, they too, and most likely are immune to prosecution given they work for the government when tallying votes..

Touch screen voting machines do have issues, most likely should not be allowed and that problem child then removed..

https://www.eac.gov/voting-equipment/compliance-management-program/

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Jun 17, 2018 13:57:54   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
king hall wrote:
Very well said Lady


Thank You king..

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Jun 20, 2018 13:11:36   #
Cripple
 
Thank you! You certainly gave me some places to go and the blame to this privacy. I dislike Congress and those who put those into Congress who made the laws. Always willing to learn. You have a wealth of information for me to research. I look in the mirror that now I've turned into a researcher, where I don't want to be. You are correct, I can't find the answer because there is no answer, maybe Jill Stein was correct and if so, there is a lot of blame to those specific states. You are corrent!

lindajoy wrote:
Here’s a bit to consider, although I am pretty sure you know all this~~~~When Stein said Wisconsin voting Machines were illegal she did so mistakenly thinking of Cali’s ban on touch screen machines because they left no paper trial and were easy to manipulate..

The largest problem is there is no uniformity in state choices of who they use or how they guarantee the voting machine accuracy..Its left to the vendor of the machines used... WTH??? Why???

Standards are set but how verified or inspected is pretty much left to the state.. I believe we should have uniformity by Federal mandate as to which machines can be used and required publication of inspections of the machines done before and after an election....

Testing and Certification of Voting Systems~~
Local jurisdictions select and purchase voting systems, but before they are able to do so the system must go through a testing process to ensure that it meets state standards and in some cases federal standards as well. Voting system vendors are responsible for ensuring that the system is tested—often through a federally accredited Voting Systems Test Laboratory or VSTL—to the required standards. Once testing is complete, approval is issued at the state level and local jurisdictions may purchase the system.
Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia use some aspect of the federal testing and certification program in addition to state-specific testing and certification of systems:
Nine states and D.C. require testing to federal standards (states reference standards drafted by the FEC, NIST or the EAC): Connecticut, D.C., Hawaii, Indiana, Kentucky, Nevada, NewYork, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia.
Eighteen states require testing by a federally accredited laboratory: Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah and Wisconsin.
Eleven states require full federal certification (in statute or rule): Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Washington, West Virginia and Wyoming.
Four states refer to federal agencies or standards, but do not fall into the categories above:
Alaska: the director may consider whether the FEC has certified a voting machine when considering whether the system shall be approved for use in the state (though FEC certification is not a requirement).
California: the Secretary of State adopts testing standards that meet or exceed the federal voluntary standards set by the EAC.
Kansas: requires compliance with voting system standards required by HAVA.
Mississippi: DREs shall comply with the error rate standards established by the FEC (though other standards are not mentioned). (Note that the FEC no longer sets voting system standards.)
Eight states have no federal testing or certification requirements. Statutes and/or regulations make no mention of any federal agency, certification program, laboratory, or standard; instead these states have state-specific processes to test and approve equipment (Note that even states that do not require federal certification typically still rely on the federal program to some extent, and use voting systems created by vendors that have been federally certified):
Florida, Maine, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oklahoma, and Vermont.
American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are also in this category.

The inaccessibility of computer code inside voting machines is rooted in another, more worrisome, set of laws, protecting trade secrecy.... “Trade-secret law makes it impossible to independently verify that” many voting machines are working properly. So our main hope for auditable elections has to be hand recounts of paper records of voting against electronic digital voting machines all having paper ballots that can be randomly verified...Yet, in some states they don’t even use a paper ballot.... (I suspect its intentional as well...)

Yet another that defines how little is really done to insure machines are accurate or tamper proof..

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-canvass-january-2013.aspx

Is it no wonder you are unable to verify whether or not inspections and maintenance is even done??? For something so important there are very lyaxidascial standards!!

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/12/the_real_reason_we_need_recounts_in_michigan_wisconsin_and_pennsylvania.html

Here the lastest revisions going forward..

While none of this addresses specifically what you seek it sure explains why the information is not readily available nor why the government does not mandate audits or independant inspections of the machines.. Technology isn’t always good...

https://www.eac.gov/news/2017/09/12/committee-approves-next-generation-of-voting-system-guidelines/

Not done yet.~~ Its become a mission!!
Here’s a bit to consider, although I am pretty sur... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2018 13:16:21   #
Cripple
 
Not sure how to take what you said. Maybe "Thanks"?! The Library of Congress helps me with research, plus the Clerk of the House as is the Clerk of the Senate helps me with research, all of this is available on-line. I remember the days of having to sit-down and read, there isn't enough hours in the day and I can't read that much and still get most of the "Honey Do's" done. You are correct.

maryjane wrote:
While I agree that too many of our citizens pay no attention to anything outside their daily lives, anything that doesn't directly affect them, your statement is unfair. You mention us not reading NAFTA, we NEVER get to see/read complete originals of any of these actions, including anything/everything down by congress. And certainly, we never hear about these things until they are already done deals. For 2-3 weeks now, we have been hearing about the possible DACA/immigration proposals to be considered by Congress, but we have seen a complete copy of any of them.
While I agree that too many of our citizens pay no... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2018 13:18:38   #
Cripple
 
Thanks, going there in minutes.

lindajoy wrote:
Philadelphia~~

http://www.phillytrib.com/news/city-volunteers-inspect-voting-machines/article_8d8f56af-cb49-51fa-8719-693fd6cd10f7.html

City and independent officials tested the city’s voting machines on Friday morning as the nation gears up for the Nov. 6 presidential election.

“People need to have faith that the result of an election is fair,” said City Commissioner Stephanie Singer, who was on hand to observe. “The basis of the whole election is the counting of the votes, and that they should be counted as cast.”

In addition to Singer, the political watchdog group The Committee of Seventy was on hand, as were campaign volunteers.

Typically both parties and both campaigns send volunteers. This year only the Obama campaign sent volunteers: Ellen Zeng and Edson Rafferty. The Romney campaign pulled out of Pennsylvania several weeks ago.

Zeng and Rafferty watch as the machines are explained and sample votes cast. In just a few seconds a technician pulls out the tape that records the votes to make sure they’ve been recorded accurately. <snip>Much more to read

Michigan checks and balances, now new machines because “irregularities “were detected ...

Tells you who does them or actually who didn’t, given their problems 2016, it tells me they weren’t checking or testing anything!
And while President Donald Trump has questioned the integrity of the vote in states, Johnson said the new system still is not connected to the Internet, and a paper trail remains because paper ballots still will be used. The state has not yet turned over voter information to the commission Trump appointed to look into voting in the nation.

https://amp.freep.com/amp/532782001
Philadelphia~~ br br http://www.phillytrib.com/n... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2018 13:23:34   #
Cripple
 
Thanks, and I'm writing on this private response. Please have patience with me. I have the strange condition the Dr.s say imposed via my spinal problems broke in 3 places that condemned me to this damn wheelchair. I have dementia I'm told caused via my neck injury. I honestly wake and mentally totally convinced of something that clearly isn't me. There is more that goes with it, but I probably said too much already.
Thanks in advance for your patience.

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