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Feb 28, 2014 11:25:16   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
saveamerica wrote:
RETW, the bad part is, only 60% of the population makes it to age 60 from 60 to the age of 70 you lose another 30% and at the age of 77 you only have 1% left and by age 95 there is only 0.001% left. I have had three people on my block who die right before they could start receiving their Social Security. Just look in the paper and you can see.


And if they were married or had dependent children, their widows or surviving minor children received benefits.

Your life expectancy stats are way off:

85.673% of the male population makes it to age 60, with another 21.27 years of life expectancy.
80.308% of the male population makes it to age 65, with another 17.51 years of life expectancy.
72.875% of the male population makes it to age 70, with another 14.03 years of life expectancy.
62.761% of the male population makes it to age 75, with another 10.87 years of life expectancy.
49.421% of the male population makes it to age 80, with another 8.10 years of life expectancy.

Females live even longer:

85.673% make it to age 60; life expectancy 24.3 yrs
87.769% make it to age 65; life expectancy 20.19 yrs
82.424% make it to age 70; life expectancy 16.33 yrs
74.443% make it to age 75; life expectancy 12.79 yrs
62.957% make it to age 80; life expectancy 9.65 yrs
47.412% make it to age 85; life expectancy 6.95 yrs

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html

Have a nice day! :)

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Feb 28, 2014 15:11:56   #
funguy1949
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Finally, a voice of reason!

The biggest problem I see with calculations that project what a person might accumulate if they had invested their FICA taxes in the market is that they look only at their own SS retirement annuity and none of the other SS benefits. They fail to factor in the spouse's benefit (50% of the worker's, even if the spouse never had earned income and paid $0 in FICA taxes), the surviving spouse's benefit (equal to the worker's benefit), the worker's disability benefit (equal to what their full retirement annuity would be at full retirement age) along with the benefits that would be paid for the disabled worker's family; the minor children's survivor benefits, plus disability income for them if they become disabled. Social Security does so much more than just provide a retirement annuity for the worker. If one wants to hypothesize how much income they MIGHT be able to produce if they invested their FICA taxes elsewhere, then, to be fair and accurate, they must also account for all those other benefits. Subtracting only what the worker would pay for additional disability insurance from the amount invested cuts that end figure WAAAAY down!

Social Security is not an investment account. There was never any intent to put FICA taxes in a "lock box." (That was Al Gore's campaign pitch.) Everybody pays FICA taxes at the same rate, 6.2% of earned income (with employer match), except those who earn over a certain amount - $113,700 for 2014 - do not pay FICA taxes on earned income over that amount - but they do pay Medicare tax of 1.45% on their entire earned income, with those earning over $200,000 taxed an additional .09% on the additional income).

Benefits are not tied to the amount of FICA taxes paid; they are based upon one's highest 35 years of income, indexed for inflation and averaged out into a monthly income amount. Monthly SS benefits are calculated at 90% of the first $816 of average monthly income, plus 32% of the next $4,101 of average monthly income, plus 15% of average monthly income over $4,917. Skewed very much in favor of lower-income workers.

Most of the criticisms about Social Security are all political hype. It's on good footing for the next 20 years or so, and with only minor tweaks, such as increasing the full retirement age from 66 to 67 or 68 (appropriate given longer life expectancies, I think), or increasing the income cap by a modest amount, will keep it viable indefinitely.
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First off the dam goverment needs to pay back the IOU's plus interest an that would keep the system working for decades then keep there thieving hands out of it. Then get all those deadbeats an loafers who don't pay any taxe's off welfare,then maybe we as vetrans can keep our retirement checks,the dam demwits are trying to cut our benifits as well.put the demwits/brainwashed/braindead liberals all in jail.Lock am Load an send them back to hell where they all belong, starting with there raghead anty christ obama dog.gentlemen this going to be a long raod back to recovery of our nation.I'm a proud die hard conservative,who served his country,an I be damed to sit back an watch this country go to hell in a hand basket by these demwit liberals,lets all march to Wash.get the word out that things must change for a better America.

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Feb 28, 2014 19:13:36   #
no1healey
 
funguy1949 wrote:
ok lets get things in order they have been steeling our SS since the mid 60's some where between 2.5-4.0 trillion in IOU"s//yep it sounds like a Liberal pol-cat got into our hard ereaned money which all of us who are 60 an beyound an this doesn't even count the interest that is owed to SS an now the dog liberal wants to do away with it an start his MYRA BS program so they can steel more money this is not right he stole 150 million out of medicare already for his so called BS health care program so how long will it take or what will it take for the rest of the brainwashed/braindead liberals in this country to wake up an get ragehead/obama dog an the rest of his liberal dogs out of office/goverment an put in good conservatives,an i don't mean republicans there are to many that say they are conservatives but in truth they are nothing but liberals in conservative sheep skins.An god help us if hillery gets in.
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Wouldnt it be interesting to see where those "loaned" funds have gone and what for ? When I hear them indicate they might have to reduce SS pmts for lack of funds ,why cant they tell us the truth about where the funds are now .!

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Mar 1, 2014 18:24:58   #
funguy1949
 
well lets see all the war's starting with VM then it's funding for all the loafers/deadbeats/most of the welfar leaches,plus you have the ods an ends that are porkbelly govement spending throw all the IOU's in, all adds up to 2.5-4.5 trillion of our money plus interest's, which we have payed into the SS system which we started paying way back in the 40- 50's an the stelling started way back in the mid 60's,LBJ had his hands in it from the start "DAM liberals"
What gets me is the welfar program got a 4% raise an SS only got a 1-1.5% not sure I don't get SS yet although I'm 63 an still working, and the ones on welfare don't even pay into the SS system. I'd for one would like to hear from liberals to tell me what's is wrong in this picture.tell you one thing it's so wrong it stink's.




no1healey wrote:
Wouldnt it be interesting to see where those "loaned" funds have gone and what for ? When I hear them indicate they might have to reduce SS pmts for lack of funds ,why cant they tell us the truth about where the funds are now .!

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