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Jun 11, 2018 03:08:55   #
Radiance3
 
Morgan wrote:
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as losing over 17,00 children, I have to ask myself, can this be true?

Last month, Steven Wagner, an official with the department of health and human services, told a Senate committee that his agency had “lost track” of 1,475 immigrant children who had been seized after crossing the US-Mexican border; some of these kids, it was feared, had been turned over to human traffickers.
That also:

The ACLU and the Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School have also charged that US border guards beat and abused migrant children, and threatened them with sexual violence.

and...that a Honduran mother had been separated from her 18-month-old toddler for two months. We’ve seen images of children caged in cells like stray puppies at a shelter; two, three and four year old children huddled on cots under thin Mylar blankets; of weeping parents embracing their terrified children while immigration officers wait to grab the tearful kids.

One has to ask is this who we are? Is this who Lady Liberty shines her torch for? Wasn't this the country held out its arms to the downtrodden seeking refuge? now we pull children away from mothers, or family, as the Nazis did, pulling families apart?

Is this the way to go? or who we've become? There must be another way.

We use to be the country known for its humanitarian ways now we have the UN and foreign countries objecting to our inhumane practices. Welcome to the Trump administration and making us great again.
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as... (show quote)

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During the Obama administration, daytime, and evening, there were several truckloads of kids entering the US border. Many of them the HSD, require them to come in the evening when we are sleeping to avoid being seen during their entry to the US.

Then when inside, the US Dept of Health, check them for medical conditions, HSD provide them all essential elements they need, clothes, food, homes, and medical care.

After a period of time, many of them stay with friends and relatives. Then these relatives and friends include them as dependents, so that they could receive additional welfare. They also include them as dependents when they filed IRS forms. So they have more deductions from income. At end of the year, they get back all the taxes they paid to the IRS, due to many dependents and allowances for having kids with ages 16 and below.

IRS reported that illegals defraud the US, an annual average of $6.5 billion.
Now they are all marching on the streets, many yelling at the president, demanding for their rights and commit violence. Some join the MS13 gangsters.

Later the parents follow them, demanding that they must not be separated from their kids.

Nancy Pelosi, Obama, and the rest of the democrats protect and defend them.

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Jun 11, 2018 14:17:14   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Loki wrote:
Well, since they are loosed, they are obviously not confined.

LOL, yeah - I do misspell that word almost every time. 'Not sure why. In any case, you got the point. And when it comes to government handling of children, I would say confined is better than lost.

Loki wrote:

You know, there are an estimated 20,000 plus slaves in this country, and an estimated more than 20 million worldwide. Many of those being held in involuntary servitude in this country are children, Just curious; why did this never, ever concern you until you thought you could use it for a cheap shot at the Trump administration?

I've been concerned about slavery in the U.S. since the 90's when I started hearing about it. I don't write about EVERYTHING that concerns me on OPP Loki... It might be better of you stick to attacking things that I do say, rather than making assumptions about things I haven't said.

Loki wrote:

Curiously, the states where most of these cases of slavery, (much of it forced sex in nature) have been documented are California and New York; you know, those self-proclaimed bastions of human rights and dignity?

The stats are based on convictions, so if the bastions of human rights and dignity are the governments working hardest to crack down on trafficking, the stats would show more cases in those states than anywhere else. So keep looking for lose threads to pull, Loki, 'cause you're not unraveling anything yet.

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Jun 11, 2018 14:43:05   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
America with Trump stands in the way of the international lefty dream of a borderless one government world with Islam as the preferred religion.


Let's keep it that way.

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Jun 11, 2018 14:57:08   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
There is a civil war at the political level.
I am a soldier in the Trump camp.

From my perspective, that makes you a traitor.

Mikeyavelli wrote:

The foundation of America is at stake.

Yes, it is.

Mikeyavelli wrote:

The Second Amendment, the First Amendment, and then the rest of the Constitution can be rewritten as America's enemies wish to rewrite it.

Do you ever THINK about what you're saying Mikey? I don't think you do. People have been talking about how the left wants to rewrite the Constitution and yet there is ZERO evidence that anyone is making any such effort. It's just something idiots say, like "I'm dying of starvation" (because it's been 4 hours since breakfast).

Meanwhile, the evidence that Trump is trying to block the Constitution from protecting American citizens is ABUNDANT! I'll just use forced arbitration as one of the more obvious examples.

Mikeyavelli wrote:

The bitter loss of the hilliar coronation infects the international left, who saw a complete toppling of America within the hilliar presidency.

Baseless conjecture.

Mikeyavelli wrote:

They lose ground each day Trump is president, and they know that his pro American presidency must come to an end sooner than later.

The only ground we are losing are the laws that Trump has been able to repeal and the agreements he has rescinded and even then, his impact is far less than you would think because local governments are refusing to honor his decisions and our allies are maintaining their agreements with out him. But when it comes to democratic activity, we have been gaining ground faster than ever and the odds are pretty good that we will be taking he government back pretty soon. Our allies are patiently waiting for it. If we can take back the federal government before Trump sends us to war, it would be easy to reverse everything he did.

And Trump's presidency is anything but pro-American. I really don't know why you support the fascist pig, but from what I can tell most of his supporters are either complete morons, obsessed with racist hangups, or exceedingly wealthy individuals that want to cannibalize the American Republic including Russian oligarchs.

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Jun 11, 2018 14:58:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Let's keep it that way.

wishful thinking.

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Jun 11, 2018 15:09:25   #
Mikeyavelli
 
straightUp wrote:
The only ground we are losing are the laws that Trump has been able to repeal and the agreements he has rescinded and even then, his impact is far less than you would think because local governments are refusing to honor his decisions and our allies are maintaining their agreements with out him. But when it comes to democratic activity, we have been gaining ground faster than ever and the odds are pretty good that we will be taking he government back pretty soon. Our allies are patiently waiting for it. If we can take back the federal government before Trump sends us to war, it would be easy to reverse everything he did.

And Trump's presidency is anything but pro-American. I really don't know why you support the fascist pig, but from what I can tell most of his supporters are either complete morons, obsessed with racist hangups, or exceedingly wealthy individuals that want to cannibalize the American Republic including Russian oligarchs.
The only ground we are losing are the laws that Tr... (show quote)

Trump's getting rid of obama's laws passed without Congress, and laws passed by kommiecrats only, and obama's executive orders. The Iran robbery wasn't passed by Congress.
The only people complaining about Trump are the ones who hate America and want the changes obama tried to sell. A borderless one government world with Islam as the preferred religion. Trump stopped all that.
He's just what America needs.

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Jun 11, 2018 16:38:12   #
Endoscopy Loc: Florida
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Let's keep it that way.


They don't have to rewrite it if they get enough liberal judges to ignore it. The western circuit court is notorious for that. They have a majority of their rulings overturned by SCOTUS. The baker who claimed religious freedom for example. Just thrown out with prejudice.

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Jun 11, 2018 16:40:40   #
Endoscopy Loc: Florida
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Trump's getting rid of obama's laws passed without Congress, and laws passed by kommiecrats only, and obama's executive orders. The Iran robbery wasn't passed by Congress.
The only people complaining about Trump are the ones who hate America and want the changes obama tried to sell. A borderless one government world with Islam as the preferred religion. Trump stopped all that.
He's just what America needs.

Absolutely correct!!!

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Jun 11, 2018 16:49:29   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
There is a civil war at the political level.
I am a soldier in the Trump camp.
The foundation of America is at stake.
The Second Amendment, the First Amendment, and then the rest of the Constitution can be rewritten as America's enemies wish to rewrite it.
The bitter loss of the hilliar coronation infects the international left, who saw a complete toppling of America within the hilliar presidency. They lose ground each day Trump is president, and they know that his pro-American presidency must come to an end sooner than later.
You are the unwitting soldier in the fight to topple America.
There is a civil war at the political level. br I ... (show quote)


Your onesided viewpoint only exists so that you feel you are on the side of right, but that's not true, things are never that simple, only to the simple-minded. Where would your outlook be if we didn't have parties, who would you be fighting against, who then your enemy? You would be forced to go at it issue by issue, and that would suit us much more advantageously as a people and a country.

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Jun 11, 2018 16:59:28   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Oh, and you lefties are out to reverse the results of any war fought and won by America, including the Revolutionary War.
You've exaggerated your liberal origins to become the enemy of America. Obama's mission was to topple America from the driver's seat and then hilliar would finish the job.
But Trump Happened, and your plans got set back at least 20 years.
I love America and what Trump is doing to restore it from the beating obama gave us.


The beating of Obama? If you've felt beat down from the past seven years, look to the Republican majority rule in Congress to thank. Trump is restoring nothing, he's too busy tearing down.

Well, I stand corrected, with all his deregulating he has restored industrialists to increased profits by rolling over everyone at the cost of the environment and safety of the people especially children. Yea Trump.

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Jun 11, 2018 17:07:00   #
Morgan
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
All these anti-trumps need to get their assessment out.

Bill Mayer says the only way to rid us of Trump is with economics. He says bring on another recession. Idiot!

He goes first. Pure leftist thinking!


I watched that too, I especially like all the clips of him making public speeches with his foul mouth, what integrity as a President...class all the way. I remember when he spoke in front of a school, and just shaking my head.

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Jun 11, 2018 17:26:46   #
Morgan
 
Endoscopy wrote:
They don't have to rewrite it if they get enough liberal judges to ignore it. The western circuit court is notorious for that. They have a majority of their rulings overturned by SCOTUS. The baker who claimed religious freedom for example. Just thrown out with prejudice.


It was prejudice.

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Jun 11, 2018 17:35:09   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
The beating of Obama? If you've felt beat down from the past seven years, look to the Republican majority rule in Congress to thank. Trump is restoring nothing, he's too busy tearing down.

Well, I stand corrected, with all his deregulating he has restored industrialists to increased profits by rolling over everyone at the cost of the environment and safety of the people especially children. Yea Trump.
The beating of Obama? If you've felt beat down fro... (show quote)


Yeah, people dropping dead in the streets because of Trump's easing of restrictive obama regulations designed to throttle prosperity.
Climate change is the second biggest hoax in the world.

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Jun 11, 2018 18:41:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
The only ground we are losing are the laws that Trump has been able to repeal and the agreements he has rescinded and even then, his impact is far less than you would think because local governments are refusing to honor his decisions and our allies are maintaining their agreements with out him. But when it comes to democratic activity, we have been gaining ground faster than ever and the odds are pretty good that we will be taking he government back pretty soon. Our allies are patiently waiting for it. If we can take back the federal government before Trump sends us to war, it would be easy to reverse everything he did.

And Trump's presidency is anything but pro-American. I really don't know why you support the fascist pig, but from what I can tell most of his supporters are either complete morons, obsessed with racist hangups, or exceedingly wealthy individuals that want to cannibalize the American Republic including Russian oligarchs.
The only ground we are losing are the laws that Tr... (show quote)


Which parts of the Constitution, specifically, is Trump blocking from protecting American citizens, Mr. All American Patriot who calls others traitors because they disagree with his Liberal bullshit?
Article, section, let's have it. How is Trump blocking the Constitution, and which of the parts is he blocking?

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Jun 11, 2018 18:43:08   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
It was prejudice.

It was First Amendment. The baker agreed to do all sorts of baking for them except for the wedding. If it was prejudice, why didn't they just refuse period?

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