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Jun 7, 2018 15:26:13   #
maureenthannon
 
Morgan, The pictures of children in cages that were put up to show how evil Trump and America is turned out to be pictures from 2015, when BHO was President. The Trump haters will say and do anything tomake Trump look bad, and they won't let the truth get in the way of what they say. Trump haters hate Trump more than they love America(or anyone or anything else; they don't love. Hate is ALL they know).

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Jun 7, 2018 16:10:16   #
1ProudAmerican
 
rational1 wrote:
These are NOT illegal aliens seeking across the border. They report to US Border Agents and request "asylum" from danger and prosecution in their own country. There is a whole set of laws for Asylum candidates. If you all are unhappy with this system repeal all Asylum conditions, that means NO MOR CUBANS, they get automatic asylum when they reach US soil.
Oh, and take down the Statue of Liberty.


….and where are WE supposed to report for "asylum" from the infestation of ILLEGALS/GANG MEMBERS and DUMBocRATS who are trying to destroy our country?!?!?

We have enough of our own home grown reprobates, without importing more !!!!

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Jun 7, 2018 16:39:21   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
Morgan wrote:
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as losing over 17,00 children, I have to ask myself, can this be true?

Last month, Steven Wagner, an official with the department of health and human services, told a Senate committee that his agency had “lost track” of 1,475 immigrant children who had been seized after crossing the US-Mexican border; some of these kids, it was feared, had been turned over to human traffickers.
That also:

The ACLU and the Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School have also charged that US border guards beat and abused migrant children, and threatened them with sexual violence.

and...that a Honduran mother had been separated from her 18-month-old toddler for two months. We’ve seen images of children caged in cells like stray puppies at a shelter; two, three and four year old children huddled on cots under thin Mylar blankets; of weeping parents embracing their terrified children while immigration officers wait to grab the tearful kids.

One has to ask is this who we are? Is this who Lady Liberty shines her torch for? Wasn't this the country held out its arms to the downtrodden seeking refuge? now we pull children away from mothers, or family, as the Nazis did, pulling families apart?

Is this the way to go? or who we've become? There must be another way.

We use to be the country known for its humanitarian ways now we have the UN and foreign countries objecting to our inhumane practices. Welcome to the Trump administration and making us great again.
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as... (show quote)


I suggest you at least check your sources and at best be my guest; twice a month as we visit the border holing facilities. When anyone visits for their first time they are always amazed at the number of civilian volunteers, the pro-bono lawyers, the religious groups and the cameras that act as the constant witness.

I promise you only when a child's parent is detained for legal or emergency health reasons is any minor child separated. "ACLU" & the "Human Rights Clinic/University Chicago Law School" what
would you expect?

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Jun 7, 2018 16:44:07   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
It's amazing to see how thoroughly indoctrinated you have become.

You side with pure evil yet proselytize as though you were a holy saint.

You stand with homosexual deviants, feminists, abortionists, atheists and democrats.

So honestly dear Morgan, do you really believe your opinion to be relevant in regard to logic ?


When I replied I was having a moment compassion, "let me assure you, Morgan, it's all BS" but damn then I read yours and wished I just Copy/paste cuz you're spot on. Thx

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Jun 7, 2018 16:57:03   #
Ricktloml
 
no propaganda please wrote:
No, absolutely not, do not take the babies away from their mothers. Send both the mother and her children back where they came from, ILLEGALLY after all. For those who were children years ago when they came here, but are now adults, send them back as adults to the country of origin. On the other hand, if they have committed a crime since getting here, then punishment and then deportation should be mandatory. Stop with this world without borders B*S which is, in reality a part of the Soviet one world under communism promotion, in its current stealth form.
No, absolutely not, do not take the babies away fr... (show quote)


And exactly what happens to American citizens when THEY break the law and go to jail. Oh, they are separated from their children.

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Jun 7, 2018 18:22:45   #
DaWg44
 
Morgan wrote:
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as losing over 17,00 children, I have to ask myself, can this be true?

Last month, Steven Wagner, an official with the department of health and human services, told a Senate committee that his agency had “lost track” of 1,475 immigrant children who had been seized after crossing the US-Mexican border; some of these kids, it was feared, had been turned over to human traffickers.
That also:

The ACLU and the Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School have also charged that US border guards beat and abused migrant children, and threatened them with sexual violence.

and...that a Honduran mother had been separated from her 18-month-old toddler for two months. We’ve seen images of children caged in cells like stray puppies at a shelter; two, three and four year old children huddled on cots under thin Mylar blankets; of weeping parents embracing their terrified children while immigration officers wait to grab the tearful kids.

One has to ask is this who we are? Is this who Lady Liberty shines her torch for? Wasn't this the country held out its arms to the downtrodden seeking refuge? now we pull children away from mothers, or family, as the Nazis did, pulling families apart?

Is this the way to go? or who we've become? There must be another way.

We use to be the country known for its b
Bhumanitarian ways now we have the UN and foreign countries objecting to our inhumane practices. Welcome to the Trump administration and making us great again.
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as... (show quote)



Trump is not responsible for this. Get the facts. That viral picture was taken before trump was elected.

It is illegal in this country to lock up kids w/ their mothers or fathers. Mothers & fathers go to jail everyday & their children go to social services, foster homes.

This is one of the unfortunate results of breaking the law or just being arrested. We need to put ads on tv, radio, newspapers in Central, South America telling the people this is going to happen.

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Jun 7, 2018 18:27:15   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Morgan wrote:
Hi Jack! Wow that's too hot for me. Thank you for your reply and you may be right on the manipulations of some of the points in the article. i've tried to look into the two separate incidences, the present day and the prior one from said pictures. I think mixing the two was intentional.



It's taken some time but this is what I found (leaving the pictures out of it)When it comes to families and the borders there have been three rules of law/agreement. 1. back with Bill Clinton's presidency when the Flores settlement” was created in1997. This was a legal agreement that required the federal government to release rather than detain undocumented immigrant children, first to their parents if possible, to other adult relatives if not, and to licensed programs willing to accept custody if no relatives are available. As a last resort, U.S. officials may place children in the “least restrictive” setting available. This was also the catch and release we;ve heard about.

2. Came the TVPRA ~Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act signed by George W Bush. TVPRA is meant to give safe harbor to victims of human trafficking and says unaccompanied children “are exempt from prompt return to their home country,” unless they come from Canada or Mexico, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Children fleeing violence in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras are covered by this law.

Though we,ve recently heard of a Honduras woman losing her 18 months old for two months.

Now we have 3. this new zero-tolerance rule implemented by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. In April, Sessions directed prosecutors to charge as many illegal entry offenses as possible. Forcing children to be separated from their loved ones.

So, now on one hand, the Flores settlement and the TVPRA requires that children be released. Whereas on the other hand, Sessions zero-tolerance policy subjects any accompanying parents to criminal prosecution and eventual deportation.

Nothing required the Trump administration to forcibly separate children from their families, until Sessions zero-tolerance policy made it a practical necessity. But who gave Session's the order to do this?

This is beyond the drawn line, this is not who we are as a people, I hope anyway.
Hi Jack! Wow that's too hot for me. Thank you for ... (show quote)




Hey Morgan,

Not to hot if only a few steps from a pool.

I had a long wordy reply that I somehow deleted.
I'm seeing alot of my fellow conservatives coming at you tough and I'm disappointed in the lack of compassion for the children. I understand that the parents are in jail for breaking the law so the children must be separated. I understand Sessions trying to send a message because of the nearly 2000 per caravans crossing our borders, our flawed laws and over burdened system. I may disagree with you on immigration, we haven't really discussed it much, or disagree on Sessions actions. Regardless of agree or disagree, these children must be terrified, sad, separation anxiety and a host of other emotions and that is the center of the issue. I'm seeing my fellow conservative not having compassion for the children and if thus has been happening for years, the media being deceptive only weaving together a false narrative to color Trump negatively. OK, but what about the children and how terrible to learn after years this still isn't fixed? Trump is handcuffed by the lefts 100% opposition and if anything needs fixed is our immigration that can stop this insanity.
I'm all for Trumps immigration as long as we have a fixed system to properly vet and process those seeking to live and assimilate to American culture. Controlling the flow of those coming into our country would save hundreds of billions of dollars and if only a few billion of those saved dollars were funneled into processing immigration applications seems both the left and right would get what they want. The leftist would lose their minds because all they seek is open borders including Canada. Actually I'll state it correctly.... The leftist don't want open borders, they want no borders with free passage the same as driving from one state to another.
I feel bad your being slammed so hard, many on this post are not aware that you stand on conservative policies, you stand for democrat policies and take an issue not based on party line. Automatically if you support a Democrat issue then your flagged and hated as a leftist, which you're not. I get you and appreciate you. It's great to debate an independent thinker, with critical thinking skills.

Smile and have a great day,

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Jun 7, 2018 18:29:38   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Send the whole famdamly back to Merdahole Meheeco or wherever they snuck in from. I won't miss them.

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Jun 7, 2018 18:36:26   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
DaWg44 wrote:
Trump is not responsible for this. Get the facts. That viral picture was taken before trump was elected.


Ye~ah...just more Fake News from the desperate marxist O'BooHoo media who are "tryin to remain relevant"

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Jun 7, 2018 18:57:00   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as losing over 17,00 children, I have to ask myself, can this be true?

Last month, Steven Wagner, an official with the department of health and human services, told a Senate committee that his agency had “lost track” of 1,475 immigrant children who had been seized after crossing the US-Mexican border; some of these kids, it was feared, had been turned over to human traffickers.
That also:

The ACLU and the Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School have also charged that US border guards beat and abused migrant children, and threatened them with sexual violence.

and...that a Honduran mother had been separated from her 18-month-old toddler for two months. We’ve seen images of children caged in cells like stray puppies at a shelter; two, three and four year old children huddled on cots under thin Mylar blankets; of weeping parents embracing their terrified children while immigration officers wait to grab the tearful kids.

One has to ask is this who we are? Is this who Lady Liberty shines her torch for? Wasn't this the country held out its arms to the downtrodden seeking refuge? now we pull children away from mothers, or family, as the Nazis did, pulling families apart?

Is this the way to go? or who we've become? There must be another way.

We use to be the country known for its humanitarian ways now we have the UN and foreign countries objecting to our inhumane practices. Welcome to the Trump administration and making us great again.
I have read of some atrocities going on as such as... (show quote)


Morgan...those pitiful pictures of children in cages were taken in 2014. Guess who was president then? Pulling children away from mothers or family? What do you think happens to the children of US citizen criminals when their parents are arrested? Make no mistake; sneaking into this country or entering without permission is a crime. People who try and tell you it's only a civil violation are full of crap.
I suggest you read 8 US Code 1325. As a matter of fact, 8 US Code has some pretty strong criminal penalties for illegals.
Another link
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1911-8-usc-1325-unlawful-entry-failure-depart-fleeing-immigration

https://cis.org/Myth-Otherwise-LawAbiding-Illegal-Alien

ONly about 2% of the illegals in this country are involved in agriculture, so don't ask us who will pick our lettuce. Most of the illegals drugs imported into this country come via the Southern border. MS 13 and other Hispanic gangs are popping up in major and not so major cities all over the US, peddling poison and violence.
Once more, the parents of the children being separated knew full well what would happen. The pictures you refer to were taken while Obama was president. About one fourth of the Hispanics in this country are here illegally. According to the last census there are about 44 million Hispanics in this country, and according to the US government there are more than 10 million illegal Latinos. (The figure for illegals is a good bit higher, but that includes all illegals. I only refer to Mexican and Central American illegals. There are not enough illegals from South America to BE a statistic.
About 40% of the illegals in this country are visa overstays. I am not talking about someone who overstays by a couple of months. These cases are never prosecuted unless other crimes are committed. I mean those who have been here for years, gaining employment with fraudulent IDs. These are felons.
As I have said repeatedly, there are more than one million Mexicans in the process of becoming US citizens the lawful way, putting up with the bureaucratic bullshit and paper work. These are people who respect our laws and are generally honest, educated and have job skills. These are the immigrants we want, NOT some high school drop out who sneaks into our country with his wife, girlfriend or rent-a-puta already pregnant to have baby on US soil at US taxpayer expense, thereby increasing the number of "anchor babies" (a legal fraud, by the way) by one.
The SCOTUS has ruled in Elk v Wilkins 1884, and in US v Wong Kim Ark 1898, that the children of illegals born in this country are not birth citizens. John Elk was ruled not a citizen because his parents were non-citizen Indians. Wong Kim Ark was ruled a birth citizen because his parents were legal residents permanently domiciled in this country, NOT someone here illegally or on a temporary visa.
The author of the first section of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan, stated that the Amendment was solely for the purpose of guaranteeing full citizenship rights to former slaves and had nothing to do with foreigners in this country illegally.
This statement of purpose was reaffirmed in both SCOTUS cases vis-a-vis the 14th Amendment's "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" clause.
To be a birth citizen of the US according to two SCOTUS decisions you must be a child of a citizen, or a foreign national who is a permanent legal resident here. According to these decisions, the children of illegals or non-citizens here temporarily do not qualify.
Anchor babies are a legal fraud.

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Jun 7, 2018 18:57:37   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Send the whole famdamly back to Merdahole Meheeco or wherever they snuck in from. I won't miss them.



We would except our broken laws says we have to release them until they have their day in front of a judge. Or we can hold them in jail but we can't send them back.

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Jun 7, 2018 19:01:50   #
private
 
[quote=Morgan}Last month, Steven Wagner, an official with the department of health and human services, told a Senate committee that his agency had “lost track” of 1,475 immigrant children who had been seized after crossing the US-Mexican border; some of these kids, it was feared, had been turned over to human traffickers.[/quote]
That also:



They are baby sitting and cleaning houses for the Washington elite, just like always. They're not lost.

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Jun 7, 2018 20:04:30   #
Morgan
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
How many have you offered to "foster"?

We "take kids away" from REAL citizens if THEY commit crimes....why are ILLEGALS any different???


Great for all your anti-socialism, this way is completely socialistic and we are paying for both an illegal and paying for their child, not very financially sound.

They should be just sent back together and handed to their government for punishment

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Jun 7, 2018 20:08:58   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
Great for all your anti-socialism, this way is completely socialistic and we are paying for both an illegal and paying for their child, not very financially sound.

They should be just sent back together and handed to their government for punishment


They should be deported together. I doubt their governments would punish them. Especially Mexico. Where our politicians get the idea that the Mexican government is our friend is beyond me.

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Jun 7, 2018 20:32:51   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
private wrote:
That also:



They are baby sitting and cleaning houses for the Washington elite, just like always. They're not lost.



That quite lost 1445 is taken out of context and plain false

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