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May 29, 2018 12:20:38   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
Really, prayer, hope nor a miracle will save the LEFT. Big Mike is right, when Trump says this is enough of this shit ,probably in Sept 2018, Great Northen, Kleenex, and who every make tissue will be in strong demand.
Floyd Brown wrote:
Well first there is not much hair on the top of my head & I have not noticed any hair be tween my toes.

The thing about straws is in reference to picking at straws of evdence trying to shift bad news for your choice to another indivudual.
An individual that for the most part is now policaly not in play any more.
Wanting her to go to jail for her part in it all only brings more attention to the winner.

So it is the infromation you are trying to use is short on validity.
Hence the short straw.

Trying to make your person look okay in the face of the misdeeds of an other person is a short straw.
The more attention to discredit some one else only invites a closer look at the current President.

There were only 2 basic choices both being bad.
You saying your choice was a good choice is getting the short straw.
What you look at as a win was not. In truth a win. it was a loser deal for most Americans.

It has come to the cocern of most Americans that Trump lacks the fundamentals to be a proper & fitting Ptesident & many are speaking out.

Once the investtication was under way much was found to look at closer.
The actions of the President to all of this has drawn the Preident deeper into what has taken place.
The long straw.

Where it comes to rateing the drawing of straws is that the short straw loses & the long straw wins.

There is still a playing out of all of the information that was gathered.

The finial verdiic will be heard when the poblic votes.

The setting up of a largr smoke screen by the President & supporters may very well work against Trump & the Republicans.
I do feel that at the onset of it all removing Trump from office was not the idea behind the investigation.
The idea that innocents or lack there of was an early issue.
t is the over reaction to what could have been the personal knowledge of Trumps own involvment that lead in his want to cover it up.

There is no way that Trump will come out of this with out harm to his credibility.
It can not be covered up. He has opened his mouth in the public eye. The Public has seen him for what he is.
A smoke screen hides & the public has seen behind the screen.

Don't wish any one ill will but I see & feel what is going on.
We all say we are looking for Truth but when faced with it we can't handle the Truth.
Well first there is not much hair on the top of my... (show quote)

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May 29, 2018 12:27:46   #
Ricktloml
 
EmilyD wrote:
Thanks, eagleye - I just meant back away from the thread...was getting a bit hot


As the left twists things to defend the indefensible the heat rises

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May 29, 2018 13:08:09   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Owl32 wrote:
Really, prayer, hope nor a miracle will save the LEFT. Big Mike is right, when Trump says this is enough of this shit ,probably in Sept 2018, Great Northen, Kleenex, and who every make tissue will be in strong demand.


I say you had take a closer look at just where you are in the food chain in our system.
Some how I feel there is a shortage of people from the top 10% of this nation on this site actively.

With that I will add that the system we live in is run by & for those souls.

That means the rest of use are just fish food. Good fish food but still just fish food.
I say most of us on this site fit that mold.
There is no more respect for you from them than you show for liberals.
We the masses for all practical reason are the same to those that are in control

Some of us know this others want to deny it.
Who drank the Kool-Aid?

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May 29, 2018 13:10:36   #
EmilyD
 
Ricktloml wrote:
As the left twists things to defend the indefensible the heat rises


That's true. Being new here, I may be a bit sensitive to the "heat". I do tend to take things personally, which is not a good idea on a public forum...

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May 29, 2018 13:12:33   #
bahmer
 
EmilyD wrote:
That's true. Being new here, I may be a bit sensitive to the "heat". I do tend to take things personally, which is not a good idea on a public forum...


Just let it run off like water and down the drain never to be remembered again.

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May 29, 2018 13:23:46   #
Owl32 Loc: ARK
 
This is so, but it will require a lot of soap to remove the smell.
bahmer wrote:
Just let it run off like water and down the drain never to be remembered again.

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May 29, 2018 15:09:34   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I say you had take a closer look at just where you are in the food chain in our system.
Some how I feel there is a shortage of people from the top 10% of this nation on this site actively.

With that I will add that the system we live in is run by & for those souls.

That means the rest of use are just fish food. Good fish food but still just fish food.
I say most of us on this site fit that mold.
There is no more respect for you from them than you show for liberals.
We the masses for all practical reason are the same to those that are in control

Some of us know this others want to deny it.
Who drank the Kool-Aid?
I say you had take a closer look at just where you... (show quote)


Floyd; belch up the Kool-Aide; and read.

On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON. The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON. So, this ELECTRONIC BOOKLET should be reprinted, reposted, set up on web pages and circulated far and wide. (For the whole expose – Google: Congressman McFadden Fed expose)
________________________________________
Congressman McFadden
on the Federal Reserve Corporation
Remarks in Congress, 1934
AN ASTOUNDING EXPOSURE
________________________________________
Reprinted by permission 1978 Arizona Caucus Club
________________________________________
Congressman McFadden's Speech
On the Federal Reserve Corporation
Quotations from several speeches made on the Floor of the House of Representatives by the Honorable Louis T. McFadden of Pennsylvania. Mr. McFadden, due to his having served as Chairman of the Banking and Currency Committee for more than 10 years, was the best posted man on these matters in America and was in a position to speak with authority of the vast ramifications of this gigantic private credit monopoly. As Representative of a State which was among the first to declare its freedom from foreign money tyrants it is fitting that Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, be again given the credit for producing a son that was not afraid to hurl defiance in the face of the money-bund. Whereas Mr. McFadden was elected to the high office on both the Democratic and Republican tickets, there can be no accusation of partisanship lodged against him. Because these speeches are set out in full in the Congressional Record, they carry weight that no amount of condemnation on the part of private individuals could hope to carry.
The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over.
"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.
"Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders. ….. (For the whole expose – Google: Congressman McFadden Fed expose)
"These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky's passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky's disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children. "Mr. Chairman, there should be no partisanship in matters concerning banking and currency affairs in this Country, and I do not speak with any.
"In 1912 the National Monetary Association, under the chairmanship of the late Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, made a report and presented a vicious bill called the National Reserve Association bill. This bill is usually spoken of as the Aldrich bill. Senator Aldrich did not write the Aldrich bill. He was the tool, if not the accomplice, of the European bankers who for nearly twenty years had been scheming to set up a central bank in this Country and who in 1912 has spent and were continuing to spend vast sums of money to accomplish their purpose.
"We were opposed to the Aldrich plan for a central bank. The men who rule the Democratic Party then promised the people that if they were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while they held the reigns of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free Country the worm-eaten monarchical institution of the "King's Bank" to control us from the top downward, and from the cradle to the grave. ……..
PRESIDENT JACKSON'S TIME
"One of the greatest battles for the preservation of this Republic was fought out here in Jackson's time; when the second Bank of the United States, founded on the same false principles of those which are here exemplified in the Fed was hurled out of existence. After that, in 1837, the Country was warned against the dangers that might ensue if the predatory interests after being cast out should come back in disguise and unite themselves to the Executive and through him acquire control of the Government. …..
"The danger that the Country was warned against came upon us and is shown in the long train of horrors attendant upon the affairs of the traitorous and dishonest Fed. Look around you when you leave this Chamber and you will see evidences of it in all sides. This is an era of misery and for the conditions that caused that misery, the Fed are fully liable. This is an era of financed crime and in the financing of crime the Fed does not play the part of a disinterested spectator. … "The Fed became law the day before Christmas Eve, in the year 1913, and shortly afterwards, the German International bankers, Kuhn, Loeb and Co. sent one of their partners here to run it.
THE GREAT DEPRESSION
"Meanwhile and on account of it, we ourselves are in the midst of the greatest depression we have ever known. From the Atlantic to the Pacific, our Country has been ravaged and laid waste by the evil practices of the Fed and the interests which control them. At no time in our history, has the general welfare of the people been at a lower level or the minds of the people so full of despair. …. As Agents of the foreign central banks the Fed try by every means in their power to reduce our favorable balance of trade. (Remember; this warning was written in 1933)

WAKE UP - Both parties have put America in debt $21 Trillion to the "lenders"

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May 29, 2018 17:17:02   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Republicans have gone silent after getting a secret briefing on the “informant” in the Trump campaign. Democrats say they were shown “no evidence” for the allegations at all.

by Abigail Tracy, Forbes contributor; May 25, 2018

Almost four months ago, allies of Donald Trump found themselves consumed by a scandal so mind-boggling, they felt sure it would turn the political world on its head. “Watergate times a thousand,” Sean Hannity warned. “This is 100 times bigger [than what led to the American Revolution],” Sebastian Gorka insisted. “[This is] a component of what looks like a much larger conspiracy involving the Obama DOJ & FBI & more,” tweeted Iowa Rep. Steve King, clearly incensed. They were referring to a memo compiled by G.O.P. Congressman Devin Nunes, which allegedly revealed abuses of surveillance power by key members of the Justice Department and F.B.I., including James Comey, his former deputy Andrew McCabe, and current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Yet when the memo itself was revealed to the public, it turned out to be such a hopeless dud that the conspiracy around it dissipated almost immediately.

It seems the cycle may repeat with the president’s newest pet theory, perhaps his most desperate attempt yet to discredit Robert Mueller: that the F.B.I. planted an illegal “spy” within his campaign for political purposes. Despite his feverish claims, which continued into Friday, that SPYGATE “could be one of the biggest political scandals in history”—“Can anyone even imagine having Spies placed in a competing campaign, by the people and party in absolute power, for the sole purpose of political advantage and gain?” he tweeted Friday morning—a small group of lawmakers who met with F.B.I. and D.O.J. officials to be briefed on their use of an “informant” came away wholly unimpressed.

“Nothing we heard today has changed our view that there is no evidence to support any allegation that the F.B.I. or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the Trump campaign or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols,” ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff told reporters, speaking on behalf of all the Democrats who attended, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Republicans, in contrast, have been uncharacteristically mum since the Thursday meetings, with Nunes choosing not to comment and House Speaker Paul Ryan simply saying, “I cannot and will not comment on a classified session . . . I look forward to the prompt completion of the intelligence committee’s oversight work in this area.” A source familiar with one of the meetings told Reuters that Nunes “did not speak at all,” and that his Republican colleagues “did not aggressively push or defend Trump’s spying allegations.”

For weeks, a group of Republican lawmakers, led by Nunes, had pressed top law-enforcement officials to give them information on the use of an F.B.I. informant who reportedly made contact with three members of the Trump campaign during the early stages of the D.O.J. investigation. But Rosenstein, along with F.B.I. Director Christopher Wray and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, refused, arguing that complying would jeopardize a critical intelligence source. (Multiple outlets have since confirmed that the informant was Stefan Halper, a former Cambridge University professor.) Yet they were seemingly strong-armed by Trump’s escalating tantrums, which reached a peak on Sunday night when he “demand[ed] . . . that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!” In a savvy half-capitulation, Rosenstein agreed to have Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is already investigating the handling of the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe and the origins of the Trump-Russia probe, look into it.

If legal experts were alarmed by the flimsy innuendo of MemoGate, they were even more perturbed by the president’s eagerness to probe an ongoing investigation into his own campaign. “There is a reason why there has been a strict independence of the Justice Department when it comes to sensitive investigations,” Neal Katyal, a former acting solicitor general under Barack Obama, told me. “It is to avoid precisely the appearance, if not the reality, of government cover-ups.” Trump’s actions, he added, “are Exhibit A for why we needed a special counsel in the first place. That someone who behaves with this callous disregard for the rule of law when it comes to an investigation is exactly the reason why you need an independent investigation of him.”

The appearance of White House Russia lawyer Emmet Flood and Chief of Staff John Kelly at the beginning of Thursday’s briefings only compounded Trump’s optics problem. “Although he did not participate in the meetings which followed, as the White House’s attorney handling the special counsel’s investigation, his involvement—in any capacity—was entirely improper,” Schiff, who was reportedly one of at least two lawmakers who contested Flood’s presence, told The New York Times. (Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer in the Russia investigation, defended the move, arguing that the legal team is “certainly entitled to know” what information the F.B.I. has about the use of an informant.) Still, optics only mean so much in a hyper-polarized media environment. Should spygate fall as flat as Nunes-gate, the president is unlikely to lose the support of his conservative base, which has already accepted the president’s insinuations as reality. Trump is counting on the degradation of Mueller’s credibility, after all, to protect him in case he is impeached. But the conspicuous silence from Republican lawmakers after Thursday’s meeting is not a good sign for a president who will need their support if, or when, the special counsel comes calling.

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May 29, 2018 17:40:40   #
PeterS
 
eagleye13 wrote:
WAKE UP - Both parties have put America in debt $21 Trillion to the "lenders"

And so long as you demand tax cuts before there are spending cuts you are just as guilty as anyone else...

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May 29, 2018 20:11:02   #
son of witless
 
PeterS wrote:
And so long as you demand tax cuts before there are spending cuts you are just as guilty as anyone else...


So you admit spending cuts are in order ?

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May 29, 2018 20:12:13   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
And so long as you demand tax cuts before there are spending cuts you are just as guilty as anyone else...


There is only one way out of the unpayable debt to the FED.
Abolish the "debt". Congress take back control of our currency/money supply. Create US notes without interest attached to "lenders".
That is the Federal government's constitutional right and responsibility. Article 1; Section 8.

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May 30, 2018 10:54:07   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
EmilyD wrote:
That's true. Being new here, I may be a bit sensitive to the "heat". I do tend to take things personally, which is not a good idea on a public forum...


Just don’t take it personal, Emily.. Politics are passion driven and in the end we’re all here to get other people’s perspectives....

Whether we agree or not is immatetial, we all care or we wouldn’t be interested in the opinion of others.. Easy to get caught up in the emotion we’ve all done it.. Just step back, take a deep breath and ignore the one you find intolerant....

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May 30, 2018 10:57:58   #
crackerjack
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
He'd have to wait until the beast crawls (or falls) out.... … and then fumigates the room.


Now, that IS funny!!!!!!

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May 30, 2018 11:03:44   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
There is only one way out of the unpayable debt to the FED.
Abolish the "debt". Congress take back control of our currency/money supply. Create US notes without interest attached to "lenders".
That is the Federal government's constitutional right and responsibility. Article 1; Section 8.


What??? You crazy nut!! Congress take back our money, hell, they can’t find their own check book let alone balance anything!!! Good grief those spending maniacs would surely put us in bankruptcy...

We demand forming of a separate we the people entity to govern over it..Our own banking system with semi annual public reporting audits to start with and we pay nothing not approved and no money goes to foreign countries period!!

When have a true dollar flow, not hyped up numbers wr can ease up a bit, but not until.. All the friggen government gets leaned out to the bare minimum!! This big government with multiple divisions doing the same thing is a total waste!! Get rid of them!!!

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May 30, 2018 11:11:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
Republicans have gone silent after getting a secret briefing on the “informant” in the Trump campaign. Democrats say they were shown “no evidence” for the allegations at all.

by Abigail Tracy, Forbes contributor; May 25, 2018

Almost four months ago, allies of Donald Trump found themselves consumed by a scandal so mind-boggling, they felt sure it would turn the political world on its head. “Watergate times a thousand,” Sean Hannity warned. “This is 100 times bigger [than what led to the American Revolution],” Sebastian Gorka insisted. “[This is] a component of what looks like a much larger conspiracy involving the Obama DOJ & FBI & more,” tweeted Iowa Rep. Steve King, clearly incensed. They were referring to a memo compiled by G.O.P. Congressman Devin Nunes, which allegedly revealed abuses of surveillance power by key members of the Justice Department and F.B.I., including James Comey, his former deputy Andrew McCabe, and current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Yet when the memo itself was revealed to the public, it turned out to be such a hopeless dud that the conspiracy around it dissipated almost immediately.

It seems the cycle may repeat with the president’s newest pet theory, perhaps his most desperate attempt yet to discredit Robert Mueller: that the F.B.I. planted an illegal “spy” within his campaign for political purposes. Despite his feverish claims, which continued into Friday, that SPYGATE “could be one of the biggest political scandals in history”—“Can anyone even imagine having Spies placed in a competing campaign, by the people and party in absolute power, for the sole purpose of political advantage and gain?” he tweeted Friday morning—a small group of lawmakers who met with F.B.I. and D.O.J. officials to be briefed on their use of an “informant” came away wholly unimpressed.

“Nothing we heard today has changed our view that there is no evidence to support any allegation that the F.B.I. or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the Trump campaign or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols,” ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff told reporters, speaking on behalf of all the Democrats who attended, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Republicans, in contrast, have been uncharacteristically mum since the Thursday meetings, with Nunes choosing not to comment and House Speaker Paul Ryan simply saying, “I cannot and will not comment on a classified session . . . I look forward to the prompt completion of the intelligence committee’s oversight work in this area.” A source familiar with one of the meetings told Reuters that Nunes “did not speak at all,” and that his Republican colleagues “did not aggressively push or defend Trump’s spying allegations.”

For weeks, a group of Republican lawmakers, led by Nunes, had pressed top law-enforcement officials to give them information on the use of an F.B.I. informant who reportedly made contact with three members of the Trump campaign during the early stages of the D.O.J. investigation. But Rosenstein, along with F.B.I. Director Christopher Wray and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, refused, arguing that complying would jeopardize a critical intelligence source. (Multiple outlets have since confirmed that the informant was Stefan Halper, a former Cambridge University professor.) Yet they were seemingly strong-armed by Trump’s escalating tantrums, which reached a peak on Sunday night when he “demand[ed] . . . that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!” In a savvy half-capitulation, Rosenstein agreed to have Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is already investigating the handling of the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe and the origins of the Trump-Russia probe, look into it.

If legal experts were alarmed by the flimsy innuendo of MemoGate, they were even more perturbed by the president’s eagerness to probe an ongoing investigation into his own campaign. “There is a reason why there has been a strict independence of the Justice Department when it comes to sensitive investigations,” Neal Katyal, a former acting solicitor general under Barack Obama, told me. “It is to avoid precisely the appearance, if not the reality, of government cover-ups.” Trump’s actions, he added, “are Exhibit A for why we needed a special counsel in the first place. That someone who behaves with this callous disregard for the rule of law when it comes to an investigation is exactly the reason why you need an independent investigation of him.”

The appearance of White House Russia lawyer Emmet Flood and Chief of Staff John Kelly at the beginning of Thursday’s briefings only compounded Trump’s optics problem. “Although he did not participate in the meetings which followed, as the White House’s attorney handling the special counsel’s investigation, his involvement—in any capacity—was entirely improper,” Schiff, who was reportedly one of at least two lawmakers who contested Flood’s presence, told The New York Times. (Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer in the Russia investigation, defended the move, arguing that the legal team is “certainly entitled to know” what information the F.B.I. has about the use of an informant.) Still, optics only mean so much in a hyper-polarized media environment. Should spygate fall as flat as Nunes-gate, the president is unlikely to lose the support of his conservative base, which has already accepted the president’s insinuations as reality. Trump is counting on the degradation of Mueller’s credibility, after all, to protect him in case he is impeached. But the conspicuous silence from Republican lawmakers after Thursday’s meeting is not a good sign for a president who will need their support if, or when, the special counsel comes calling.
Republicans have gone silent after getting a secre... (show quote)


Nunez holds true to the meeting not disclosing and the dems come out saying well, whats here?? You mean they openly and intentionally violated the terms of the meeting??

Knowing how desperate they are in getting the heat off of them I understand them wanting to disclose anything in that meeting however, I really don’t think they would jeopardize it, although Pelosi was present soooooooooo ???

Anyway, I’ll hold this in thought but will wait for the final results..

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