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May 23, 2018 09:30:57   #
boatbob2
 
kevyn,Again?????????????

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May 23, 2018 09:42:24   #
vernon
 
Kevyn wrote:
For arguments sake let’s say that after years of fruitless investigations from whitewater to Benghazi Clinton gets jammed up on some screw up with her email server and goes to court and jail. So what? She is not in office, I don’t know her and unless it is done by the Pumpkinfuhrer in a Putinesque oppression of political opponents who cares? As the layers of onion are peaked away it is becoming more and more obvious that the sitting president is an unrepentant felon. The pissing and moaning about a retired Secretary of State is nothing but a smoke screen to distract people from the the criminality of Trump.
For arguments sake let’s say that after years of f... (show quote)



Just give us one law that they have found he broke.You characters make wild eyed accusations then

when they can't be proved you just move on to something else.Now go on and tell us how wonderful your leader ship is as they praise your local hero's ms-13.Of course be tickled pink that they are going to offer free medical to your local wet back its a wonderful life.

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May 23, 2018 11:53:08   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Like The Judge Said Concerning Trump:
'Show Me A Case, Mueller...C'mon Man'

But There Is A Case Regarding The Clinton Campaign And The DNC
Regarding The Russians And With Rigged Primaries

Where's Your Concern About That Brushed Off Corruption, Kev ??
Kind Of Like You Thinking Antifa And Fascists Aren't The Same People, Right ??

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May 23, 2018 12:15:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
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The mess Rod Rosenstein made
By Professor Steven G. Calabresi, Northwestern University School of Law.

Many liberals and critics are under the mistaken belief that President Trump is violating the rule of law and civil liberties by criticizing the Robert Mueller investigation and by ordering the Justice Department’s Inspector General to investigate whether or not the FBI spied on his 2016 presidential campaign. In fact, the president is behaving totally lawfully, and it is Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who are acting unconstitutionally and who are violating Trump’s civil liberties.

Presidents George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all gave orders to federal prosecutors to bring prosecutions, and Jefferson ordered a prosecution stopped. President Trump is entirely within his rights to ask the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate whether the Obama administration got the FBI to spy on Trump’s campaign.

I’ve explained in previous writings why Robert Mueller’s appointment is unconstitutional under Chief Justice Rehnquist’s majority opinion in Morrison v. Olson. The basic problem is that Mueller is more powerful and famous than are any of the 96 U.S. attorneys, but unlike them he was never nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

In this investigation, Mueller is not acting like an assistant U.S. attorney who is an inferior officer. He is instead acting like a U.S. attorney, who is a principal officer and who must be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

The unconstitutionality of Mueller’s appointment renders everything he has done since May 17, 2017, unconstitutional as well. This includes obtaining a log of calls by President Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, and his referral of Cohen to the United States attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York. Both the logging and the referral are examples of what the Supreme Court calls the fruit of a poisonous tree.

When an official uses government power in an unconstitutional way, anything that results from it is subject to the exclusionary rule and is not admissible in court. Since the investigation by the U.S. Attorney's office for the Southern District of New York was started due to an arguably unconstitutional call log that violates both the Appointments Clause and attorney-client privilege, the federal courts should hold that any prosecutions that result of Cohen or anyone else that grew out of the Mueller referral are unconstitutional and null and void.

Moreover, Mueller’s prosecution of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in Virginia is unconstitutional even if some of his prosecutors have special status as members of the relevant U.S. Attorney’s office in that state. Their actions are under Mueller’s supervision. Because of Mueller’s unconstitutional appointment as special counsel, the raid of Manafort’s house is also the fruit of a poisonous tree.

Deputy Attorney General’s Rod Rosenstein’s refusing to make public his full order appointing Mueller and defining the scope of Mueller’s investigation calls to mind the secret trials of the Court of Star Chamber in England, which has been justifiably reviled since its abolition in 1641.

I am not aware of any prior deputy attorney general of the United States who has made as big and as consequential a mistake as has Rosenstein in his appointment of Robert Mueller. Not only has he violated Trump’s civil liberties and the rule of law by unconstitutionally giving Robert Mueller the powers of a principal officer without Mueller’s having been nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, he has undermined in the American people’s eyes the integrity of the Justice Department itself.

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May 24, 2018 05:52:30   #
samtheyank
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
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Kevyn,

You know what is so fricking sad about you and your kind? You are so fixated on Trump and what he may, may not, have done during the campaign. The real reason for all this is that you can’t accept the fact that you got your ass kicked in 2016. Your candidate, Hillary Clinton, was so corrupt and evil that the majority of the American People saw it and knew she was bad news if she ever got elected as President. They simply went to the voting booth and said no you can’t have the job. She lies left and right just like you guys accuse Trump of doing since he became President. She lied about her emails, she used her foundation to launder money from people who paid to have access, she lied about Benghazi, she sold America down the drain concerning the Uranium Deal with the Russians and innocent people have been murdered, because they had a connection with the Clinton schnanigans. There have been other things that she has done if they had been investigated would have led to criminal charges. It really bothers me that you can’t see this and hold her accountable for anything. The reason why is that she represents you and what you believe in as people. I have no doubt that you see that the things she has done as being OK even though it has violated the law and every decent standard of which this nation was founded upon as a culture and society. I think you also know that the day of anything goes is on its way out. It doesn’t work, has increased human suffering and has just about brought this nation down to its knees. All you have to do is look at California and you get a snapshot of what is in store for this great nation if things are not reversed as soon as possible. Kevyn the gravy train is coming to a stop and you know it. It scares the hell out of you. It is going to come to an end one way or the other. The American People are taxed to the hilt and they are tired of not having enough money to live off of and not being able to raise their famalies. They see their hard earned money given away to Mexicans who are here illegally and Big Corprations that keep getting their asses wiped at the expense of the American taxpayer. The day of the Liberal, old line Democrats, and Republicans is coming to an end. You know this and it scares the hell out of you. You can’t stop it. You can impeach Trump, remove him from office, holler until the sun falls from the sky and it ain’t going to change a damn thing. It is a matter of time until your head is on the chopping block and it rolls down hill to the sh#t pile.

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May 24, 2018 07:58:20   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
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That would be up to a civilian court in the state the alleged crime took place.

The only ALLEGED charges against the President has to have taken place AFTER the legally elected President became a candidate for the office of the Presidency.

Mueller has admitted he has nothing that would stand up in an empeachment.

End of story, case closed.


God bless America and President Trump and the first lady.

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May 24, 2018 08:23:13   #
Bug58
 
That is what He is doing, and they are going back to old FBI files and pulling those out from the dustbin of 'no evidence' and searching for something new--It's why the judge asked for a unredacted letter sent by Rosenstein to Mueller re: the scope of his investigation.

He's wondering how and why they are bringing in information from cases back in 2006 to file charges against some of these men.

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May 24, 2018 08:48:17   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
samtheyank wrote:
Kevyn,

You know what is so fricking sad about you and your kind? You are so fixated on Trump and what he may, may not, have done during the campaign. The real reason for all this is that you can’t accept the fact that you got your ass kicked in 2016. Your candidate, Hillary Clinton, was so corrupt and evil that the majority of the American People saw it and knew she was bad news if she ever got elected as President. They simply went to the voting booth and said no you can’t have the job. She lies left and right just like you guys accuse Trump of doing since he became President. She lied about her emails, she used her foundation to launder money from people who paid to have access, she lied about Benghazi, she sold America down the drain concerning the Uranium Deal with the Russians and innocent people have been murdered, because they had a connection with the Clinton schnanigans. There have been other things that she has done if they had been investigated would have led to criminal charges. It really bothers me that you can’t see this and hold her accountable for anything. The reason why is that she represents you and what you believe in as people. I have no doubt that you see that the things she has done as being OK even though it has violated the law and every decent standard of which this nation was founded upon as a culture and society. I think you also know that the day of anything goes is on its way out. It doesn’t work, has increased human suffering and has just about brought this nation down to its knees. All you have to do is look at California and you get a snapshot of what is in store for this great nation if things are not reversed as soon as possible. Kevyn the gravy train is coming to a stop and you know it. It scares the hell out of you. It is going to come to an end one way or the other. The American People are taxed to the hilt and they are tired of not having enough money to live off of and not being able to raise their famalies. They see their hard earned money given away to Mexicans who are here illegally and Big Corprations that keep getting their asses wiped at the expense of the American taxpayer. The day of the Liberal, old line Democrats, and Republicans is coming to an end. You know this and it scares the hell out of you. You can’t stop it. You can impeach Trump, remove him from office, holler until the sun falls from the sky and it ain’t going to change a damn thing. It is a matter of time until your head is on the chopping block and it rolls down hill to the sh#t pile.
Kevyn, br br You know what is so fricking sad abo... (show quote)


I give you a A+ on that. Great job. Thank you!

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May 24, 2018 09:29:46   #
plainlogic
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
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Kevyn, the depth of your comprehension skills are???? there's not even a word for it. I rather not say it but, you are ignorant to facts before your eyes.

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May 24, 2018 16:55:54   #
Nickolai
 
vernon wrote:
The drunken slut will never be tried. The blessed ones have a 5 year limitations,and they will laugh and walk away.To bad these wild eyed crazy assed communist on this thread can't see this affects them to .






Well you people can buy in to the BS propaganda if you want. All we can do is fell sorry four gullibility. Your not necessarily dumb just gullible. Trump looks to bash and trash the truth on the premise that if anybody says anything bad about him you wont believe it and he csn point the finger of blame elsewhere and you'll believe it

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May 25, 2018 11:03:40   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficki... (show quote)


yes if Trump or anyone else including you and I are found to be doing something wrong then YES no one is ABOVE the LAW but TRUMP and the NEW GOP think they are WRONG

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May 25, 2018 11:06:41   #
Gatsby
 
The very "police" that you are referring to, are themselves under criminal investigation,

as is the FISA warrant upon which this frame job rests. When the crimes committed by these "police", are exposed

by DOJ IG Horowitz, how would you suggest dealing with them?

Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficki... (show quote)

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May 25, 2018 11:26:06   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Gatsby wrote:
The very "police" that you are referring to, are themselves under criminal investigation,

as is the FISA warrant upon which this frame job rests. When the crimes committed by these "police", are exposed

by DOJ IG Horowitz, how would you suggest dealing with them?


ONLY TO KEEP TRUMP FROM WHINGJNG When its all said and done The TRUMP WHITEHOUSE will be the only guilty party

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May 27, 2018 03:20:48   #
samtheyank
 
Nickolai wrote:
Well you people can buy in to the BS propaganda if you want. All we can do is fell sorry four gullibility. Your not necessarily dumb just gullible. Trump looks to bash and trash the truth on the premise that if anybody says anything bad about him you wont believe it and he csn point the finger of blame elsewhere and you'll believe it


This scenario sounds like Hillary Clinton. Are you sure you have the right person?

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May 27, 2018 05:52:03   #
trucksterbud
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficking and within their investigation discover that the suspect or one of his colleagues is fencing stolen goods the criminals are charged with fencing even if no narcotics charges are filed. No one but the guys selling stolen stuff are likely to consider this illegitimate. Keeping this in mind if Bob Mueller while investigating Russian attacks on our election discovers evidence of other felonies such as money laundering, bank fraud, SEC or campaign finance law violations, bribery, solicitation of prostitution or extortion isn’t he obligated to bring the criminals to justice. If this investigation dosn’t find proof of direct conspiracy between Trump and Putin but finds proof that Trumps business is a criminal enterprise why shouldn’t he be held accountable?
If the police are investigating narcotic trafficki... (show quote)


Just don't get it do ya Kevvie...? Lets put it in perspective. Trump was never in collusion with the Russians. What little time was spent Kislyak was spent over discussing perhaps fast tracking some Russian immigrants to the US... This was proven by the FBI's own wiretaps. Now all the evidence is pointing back to the UK over all this hysteria about Trump / Russia collusion. Not to mention that SOME of the Russians showed up to Mueller's false investigation / charges, and said, "Hey, we want disclosure. Its guaranteed by law. Your law. " Bob Mueller freaked out and started all his delay tactics. Including trying to tell the court that he had 2 terabytes of info (in Russian of course) and this would plug up the system... The judge denied the motion, told Mueller it wasn't going to work that way..

Bottom line here....???

The entire Russian collusion story is imploding at record speed.

Bob Mueller is going to be both disgraced (as he should be) and thrown in prison. (how fitting, he let 4 innocent men rot in prison, )

During the upcoming "Disclosure" called for by the judge, 8 FBI agents are going to have to explain why they all went to London at the same time and what was discussed there.

Oh, lets not mention here, its both the incoming administration's duty and obligation to contact any / all foreign diplomats to secure avenues of conversation on the issues at hand. Trump and his administration talking to the Russians was how it is supposed to be.

You in the meantime will continue living your 'clueless' life, in your 'clueless' land, and the world will spin as normal. Maybe 5 years after this is all said and done, the perps are in prison, Trump is vindicated of any wrong doing, the courts and judges decided and gave their decision, MAYBE , after all that, YOU will wise up...

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