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May 21, 2018 00:28:30   #
Geo
 
THE BIG STORY ... DON JR. BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS -- NYT'S MARK MAZZETTI, RONEN BERGMAN and DAVID KIRKPATRICK: "Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary Offering Help to Win Election": "Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president's eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.

"The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over the coming months — past the election and well into President Trump's first year in office, according to several people with knowledge of their encounters.

"Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company's ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump. ...

"The meetings, which have not been reported previously, are the first indication that countries other than Russia may have offered assistance to the Trump campaign in the months before the presidential election. The interactions are a focus of the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III." https://nyti.ms/2k9pBqL

-- WSJ'S BYRON TAU and REBECCA BALLHAUS: "The work of two of Mr. Zamel's companies -- Wikistrat and the Psy Group -- has increasingly drawn the interest of the special counsel as part of the continuing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Little is known publicly about the work of the Psy Group. According to a person familiar with the firm's operations, it did mainly private intelligence gathering work. ...

"According to the firm's marketing materials reviewed by the Journal, Psy-Group offered clients an array of services—including 'honey traps,' a term used by spy agencies for an intelligence-gathering tactic using romantic or sexual relationships to extract information." https://on.wsj.com/2IO5psD ... The marketing materials https://on.wsj.com/2KFF5Ow

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May 21, 2018 01:00:45   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I got a subpoena from Mueller. I once talked to a neighbor who wanted Trump to win. The neighbor had the audacity to say that he was going to vote for Trump. This is potential collusion.


LMFAO

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May 21, 2018 03:13:18   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
jelun wrote:
Music to the ears of some, the serpent of deceit to people who see what is going on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html?partner=msft_msn


And your point is? Or do you know? NYT says foreign sources interested and willing to assist with social media gig in Trump campaign. Now there's some news that's worth printing.
After 30 minutes business cards were exchanged. OK, so what? Like others here I did you a courtesy of reading the material you offered, only to discover you're wasting my time. C-YA

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May 21, 2018 09:36:16   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Geo wrote:
THE BIG STORY ... DON JR. BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS -- NYT'S MARK MAZZETTI, RONEN BERGMAN and DAVID KIRKPATRICK: "Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary Offering Help to Win Election": "Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president's eldest son. One was an Israeli spehcialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.

"The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over the coming months — past the election and well into President Trump's first year in office, according to several people with knowledge of their encounters.

"Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company's ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump. ...

"The meetings, which have not been reported previously, are the first indication that countries other than Russia may have offered assistance to the Trump campaign in the months before the presidential election. The interactions are a focus of the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III." https://nyti.ms/2k9pBqL

-- WSJ'S BYRON TAU and REBECCA BALLHAUS: "The work of two of Mr. Zamel's companies -- Wikistrat and the Psy Group -- has increasingly drawn the interest of the special counsel as part of the continuing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Little is known publicly about the work of the Psy Group. According to a person familiar with the firm's operations, it did mainly private intelligence gathering work. ...

"According to the firm's marketing materials reviewed by the Journal, Psy-Group offered clients an array of services—including 'honey traps,' a term used by spy agencies for an intelligence-gathering tactic using romantic or sexual relationships to extract information." https://on.wsj.com/2IO5psD ... The marketing materials https://on.wsj.com/2KFF5Ow
THE BIG STORY ... DON JR. BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF TH... (show quote)

Hear say, opinions, assumptions and guesses are not admissible evidence in a court of law.

As hard as Mueller is trying to empeach the President and ruin anyone associated with his witch hunt if there was anything close to the truth in what you posted. Mueller would have been on it like white on rice.

Go back to the swamp/sewer with the other Demon-Rats socilest.

God bless America and the President

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May 21, 2018 09:50:11   #
Mikeyavelli
 
old marine wrote:
Hear say, opinions, assumptions and guesses are not admissible evidence in a court of law.

As hard as Mueller is trying to empeach the President and ruin anyone associated with his witch hunt if there was anything close to the truth in what you posted. Mueller would have been on it like white on rice.

Go back to the swamp/sewer with the other Demon-Rats socilest.

God bless America and the President

Yep, Trump is doing so well that had Mueller anything on him he would spring it immediately. The anti American left can't afford to have Trump in office one more minute. He's succeeding beyond any expectations, and that really hurts the lefties.

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May 21, 2018 11:58:56   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Morgan wrote:
No that's incorrect, it's all about the campaign, which no matter how you wanna slice it ....is pre-election campaign corruption and conspiracy. What is it up to now... 5 pleading guilty, and 17 who were indited.


None of those indictment had to do with collusion. As for Flynn pleading guilty, many would have done that when faced with their family being persecuted and family robbed of their funds and dignity. I know of three that had at least some small part in the Trump campaign that pled guilty to lying to the FBI and that could had meant they thought the day had been bright and shinning but was in fact cloudy. Hmmm and then faced with their family being put into jeopardy. These people using the investigation to try to bully people to lie to protect their family and friends from the wrath of false allegations. All of those indicted were indicted for things not connected to the campaign.

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May 21, 2018 14:33:52   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Louie27 wrote:
None of those indictment had to do with collusion. As for Flynn pleading guilty, many would have done that when faced with their family being persecuted and family robbed of their funds and dignity. I know of three that had at least some small part in the Trump campaign that pled guilty to lying to the FBI and that could had meant they thought the day had been bright and shinning but was in fact cloudy. Hmmm and then faced with their family being put into jeopardy. These people using the investigation to try to bully people to lie to protect their family and friends from the wrath of false allegations. All of those indicted were indicted for things not connected to the campaign.
None of those indictment had to do with collusion.... (show quote)


And the 13 russian companies that Mueller indicted were only 12, and they were all written about years ago together in a piece about up and coming russian businesses. One is fighting back, forcing mueller to show the evidence of the DNC computer hacking.
It's all to punish the Trump team and eventually remove Trump from office.
All bullmueller.

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May 21, 2018 21:42:00   #
Ricktloml
 
Louie27 wrote:
None of those indictment had to do with collusion. As for Flynn pleading guilty, many would have done that when faced with their family being persecuted and family robbed of their funds and dignity. I know of three that had at least some small part in the Trump campaign that pled guilty to lying to the FBI and that could had meant they thought the day had been bright and shinning but was in fact cloudy. Hmmm and then faced with their family being put into jeopardy. These people using the investigation to try to bully people to lie to protect their family and friends from the wrath of false allegations. All of those indicted were indicted for things not connected to the campaign.
None of those indictment had to do with collusion.... (show quote)


And in Flynn's case the sentencing judge is now demanding ALL the evidence, as he thinks exculpatory evidence has been withheld, as it has been in previous cases Mueller has been involved with

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May 22, 2018 14:33:09   #
Bug58
 
jelun wrote:
I talked to people who were both for and against Trump none mentioned getting their info anywhere but
funneled through Facebook.



So basically people read news articles that one of their friends happened to post a link to? That is what people mean when they say 'they get their news from facebook' given facebook is not a news media outlet.

So I am curious which news outlets did these folks write news articles for??

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May 22, 2018 18:00:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Prove it did happen junebug. You are so low I.Q.. See, the court of law doesn't work like that. They must prove you guilty. You don't have to prove your innocence. I pray you retarded Democrats decide on Saudi collusion next. You just keep sinking in the polls. Oh yea, helpful hint so you don't look even more clueless. Collusion isn't a crime.
jelun wrote:
Prove it didn't happen. BTW, this information comes from a witness in the investigation.

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May 22, 2018 18:14:26   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
jelun wrote:
Just exactly what does any of this have to do with the boundaries set by Rod Rosenstein?
Rosenstein specified the limits of the investigation, but he made one monumental mistake, followed by a succession of violations of DOJ regulations and unconstitutional maneuvers that now have him on the hot seat.

Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein violated the appointments clause of Article II, Section 2 of the constitution by appointing an independent special counsel to operate without supervision, which means Mueller is acting as a Principle Officer of the United States.

The Attorney General, deputy AG, associate AGs and all US Attorneys are Principle Officers of the United States. Only the president has the constitutional authority to appoint, "with the advice and consent of the senate", a Principle Officer of the United States.

A Principle Officer of the United States cannot act outside the authority of his office. All Principle Officers of the United States are subject to the appointing authority and are duty bound to obey its supervisory instructions. In the case of the Mueller investigation, Rosenstein IS NOT supervising Mueller, he is rubber stamping every thing he does. Mueller is acting far outside his authority, he is a loose cannon.

References:
Article II, Section 2, US Constitution.
DOJ regulation 64 Fed. Reg. 37038
Deputy AG Rosenstein letter of appointment (ORDER NO. 3915-2017)
Title 18, Chapter VI, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a) (b) (c). (Special counsel jurisdiction)
Justice Scalia dissent in Morrison v. Olson
Pepperdine University Constitutional Law professor, Douglas Kmiec on special counsel appointments.
Northwestern Law School Professor Steven Calabresi on special counsel appointments

Mueller is not an inferior appointee, but a principal appointee as understood under our constitutional. His powers are more akin to an United States attorney, not an assistant United States attorney. Moreover, his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, treats him as a principal officer — that is, Mueller is mostly free to conduct his investigation with few limits or restraints. The parameters of his appointment were extraordinarily broad in the first instance, and have only expanded since then.

Indeed, Mueller is more powerful than most United States attorneys, all of whom were nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate as principal officers. Furthermore, Rosenstein mostly rubber stamps Mueller’s decisions and is not involved in the regular management and oversight of Mueller to any significant extent, underscoring Mueller’s role not as an inferior officer but a principal officer. As such, Mueller’s appointment violates the Appointments Clause. Mueller would’ve had to be nominated for Senate confirmation like any other principal officer in the Executive Branch. Rosenstein did not have the constitutional power to appoint a principal officer on his own anymore than the President himself does. To do otherwise is to defy the procedure established by the Framers for making such consequential executive appointments. It follows, then, that every subpoena, indictment, and plea agreement involving the Mueller investigation is null and void. Every defendant, suspect, witness, etc., in this matter should challenge the Mueller appointment as a violation of the Appointments Clause.

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May 22, 2018 18:31:08   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Rosenstein specified the limits of the investigation, but he made one monumental mistake, followed by a succession of violations of DOJ regulations and unconstitutional maneuvers that now have him on the hot seat.

Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein violated the appointments clause of Article II, Section 2 of the constitution by appointing an independent special counsel to operate without supervision, which means Mueller is acting as a Principle Officer of the United States.

The Attorney General, deputy AG, associate AGs and all US Attorneys are Principle Officers of the United States. Only the president has the constitutional authority to appoint, "with the advice and consent of the senate", a Principle Officer of the United States.

A Principle Officer of the United States cannot act outside the authority of his office. All Principle Officers of the United States are subject to the appointing authority and are duty bound to obey its supervisory instructions. In the case of the Mueller investigation, Rosenstein IS NOT supervising Mueller, he is rubber stamping every thing he does. Mueller is acting far outside his authority, he is a loose cannon.

References:
Article II, Section 2, US Constitution.
DOJ regulation 64 Fed. Reg. 37038
Deputy AG Rosenstein letter of appointment (ORDER NO. 3915-2017)
Title 18, Chapter VI, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a) (b) (c). (Special counsel jurisdiction)
Justice Scalia dissent in Morrison v. Olson
Pepperdine University Constitutional Law professor, Douglas Kmiec on special counsel appointments.
Northwestern Law School Professor Steven Calabresi on special counsel appointments

Mueller is not an inferior appointee, but a principal appointee as understood under our constitutional. His powers are more akin to an United States attorney, not an assistant United States attorney. Moreover, his boss, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, treats him as a principal officer — that is, Mueller is mostly free to conduct his investigation with few limits or restraints. The parameters of his appointment were extraordinarily broad in the first instance, and have only expanded since then.

Indeed, Mueller is more powerful than most United States attorneys, all of whom were nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate as principal officers. Furthermore, Rosenstein mostly rubber stamps Mueller’s decisions and is not involved in the regular management and oversight of Mueller to any significant extent, underscoring Mueller’s role not as an inferior officer but a principal officer. As such, Mueller’s appointment violates the Appointments Clause. Mueller would’ve had to be nominated for Senate confirmation like any other principal officer in the Executive Branch. Rosenstein did not have the constitutional power to appoint a principal officer on his own anymore than the President himself does. To do otherwise is to defy the procedure established by the Framers for making such consequential executive appointments. It follows, then, that every subpoena, indictment, and plea agreement involving the Mueller investigation is null and void. Every defendant, suspect, witness, etc., in this matter should challenge the Mueller appointment as a violation of the Appointments Clause.
Rosenstein specified the limits of the investigati... (show quote)

Mueller ain't no loose cannon, he's squarely aimed at Trump. This is a coup. Mueller is vindicating the hilliar defeat. All he has to do is remove Trump. Pence will be a fine stand in for Hillary until they can regroup and fix the next election so that the obama Clinton cabal stays in power.

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May 22, 2018 18:52:41   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Mueller ain't no loose cannon, he's squarely aimed at Trump. This is a coup. Mueller is vindicating the hilliar defeat. All he has to do is remove Trump. Pence will be a fine stand in for Hillary until they can regroup and fix the next election so that the obama Clinton cabal stays in power.
Did you actually understand the substance of what I posted? Apparently not. The truth about this unforgivable breach of our constitution and our laws is unfolding before our very eyes, there is no way they are going to get away with it.

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May 22, 2018 18:58:57   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Did you actually understand the substance of what I posted? Apparently not. The truth about this unforgivable breach of our constitution and our laws is unfolding before our very eyes, there is no way they are going to get away with it.


I don't see where I missed anything.
Mueller is out to get Trump out of office. Simple. The laws were broken before Mueller got the assassination assignment. And it's deep.
All of Washington D.C. is complicit.

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May 22, 2018 21:36:18   #
Bug58
 
Oh, what's that? Yes, the DOJ has to review the demand for evidence because release of those documents might conflict with ongoing Grand Jury information (evidence). Yes, that means a Grand Jury is impaneled, exactly as we expected.

Yes, that also means there are "law enforcement actions" currently ongoing as a result of the prosecutor assigned to reviewing the evidence discovered by Inspector General Horowitz.





https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/bombshell_reveal_a_grand_jury_already_is_hearing_evidence_on_doj_and_fbi_scandals.html


https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/976944130042580992

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