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May 20, 2018 18:46:52   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
straightUp wrote:
...isn't prejudice?


[Sahih Muslim, book 041, number 6981]. The rocks and trees cry out, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come kill him. Google it.

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May 20, 2018 18:47:02   #
emarine
 
Nickolai wrote:
If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the immigrating Zionist buy it from? In the first half of the 19th century no foreigner could own land under the Ottoman. It was Ottoman policy until 1867. When it came to the national aspirations of the Zionist movement, the Ottoman Empire opposed the idea of Jewish self-rule in Palestine, fearing it might lose control of Palestine after recently having lost other territories to various European powers. It also took issue with the Jews, as many came from Russia, which sought the empire's demise. In 1881 the Ottoman governmental administration (the Sublime Porte) decreed that foreign Jews could immigrate to and settle anywhere within the Ottoman Empire, except in Palestine and from 1882 until their defeat in 1918, the Ottomans continuously restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine. In 1882, Jews were banned from their Four Holy Cities and in 1891, after briefly allowing some Jewish immigration three years earlier, the Turkish rulers tried to again close the empire to Russian Jews. Nevertheless, during the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, many successful land purchases were made through organizations such as the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PJCA), Palestine Land Development Company and the Jewish National Fund. In the 1930s most land was bought from small landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, "52.6% of the lands were bought from big non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian-Arab landowners and only 9.4% from the Fellahin"
If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the... (show quote)



In the 20s land was purchased from the King of Jorden who clamed ownership of large sections & the Britts who controlled all the other lands... the King bought up Palestinian farms for pennies on the dollar because they were not legally owned by Arabs & sold them to Jews for a huge profit... the 24.6% were probably Arabs from Jorden or what you call Palestinians...

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May 20, 2018 18:48:45   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Nickolai wrote:
There was a two state agreement in 1993 and signed in 19095 in the Oslo accords signed But Yitzhzak Rabin was assassinated the right wing likud party took over and refused to recognize the agreement Palestinians got along just fine before the zionist bean shoving them into a corner


Is humus made from ground up zionist beans?

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May 20, 2018 18:50:43   #
emarine
 
straightUp wrote:
Here is a list of universities in the occupied territories...

Gaza
* Al-Aqsa University
* Al-Azhar University - Gaza
* Al-Quds Open University
* Gaza University
* Islamic University of Gaza
* Israa University
* Palestine Technical College
* University College of Applied Science
* University of Palestine

West Bank
* An-Najah National University
* Arab American University
* Bethlehem Bible College
* Bethlehem University
* Birzeit University
* Dar Al-Kalima University College of Arts & Culture
* Edward Said National Conservatory of Music
* Hebron University
* Ibrahimieh College
* Khodori Institute, Tulkarm
* Palestine Ahliya University
* Palestine Polytechnic University
* Al-Quds University
* International Academy of Art, Palestine

Other education and research institutions
* Applied Research Institute–Jerusalem
* Health, Development, Information and Policy Institute
* Palestinian Academic Network
* Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs
* Palestinian Ministry of Education and Higher Education

Learning how to fire a weapon when I was a kid didn't stop me from going to college.
Here is a list of universities in the occupied ter... (show quote)




Very impressive ... now if they only stopped teaching their children to explode in public maybe there's a chance for real peace...

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May 20, 2018 20:49:45   #
Nickolai
 
emarine wrote:
In the 20s land was purchased from the King of Jorden who clamed ownership of large sections & the Britts who controlled all the other lands... the King bought up Palestinian farms for pennies on the dollar because they were not legally owned by Arabs & sold them to Jews for a huge profit... the 24.6% were probably Arabs from Jorden or what you call Palestinians...





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jews_purchasing_Arab_title_deed_in_Palestine.tif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1920_demontration_Palestine.jpg
Jewish Rabbi's purchasing land from an Arab land owner in the 1920's and Amnti Zionist demonstration in 1920

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May 20, 2018 21:31:15   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jews_purchasing_Arab_title_deed_in_Palestine.tif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1920_demontration_Palestine.jpg
Jewish Rabbi's purchasing land from an Arab land owner in the 1920's and Amnti Zionist demonstration in 1920


That means the Rabbis own the land and didn't steal it. Maybe the Arabs in Jerusalem are looking for a good Realtor. Maybe you can tell us what this all means to those who can spell and compose in English.

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May 20, 2018 22:01:17   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Nickolai wrote:
I don't have any problem with Jewish people. I just don't like Zionists, all Zionists are Jews but not all Jews are Zionists. All genocides bother me the Hutu genocide of the Tutsi in Rwanda was horrible 800,000 people slaughtered but the US was silent because there is no oil in Rwanda


Here is what Dr. King thinks of you, Nik



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May 20, 2018 22:36:26   #
Nickolai
 
amadjuster wrote:
Here is what Dr. King thinks of you, Nik







But the Zionist aren't Semitic people, they are Khazars, Yiddish speakers. They had to learn Hebrew not their natural language Khazars were a pagan people whos king Bulan decided in the 9th century to adopt a monotheistic religion and chose Judaism and brought Rabbis from Babylon to teach them the Talmud. They were a warlike people but were dispersed in to Russia and Eastern Europe by the Mongols in the early 13th century, they have no biblical connection to the Arabic lands in the Levant. So I'm not anti Semitic I'm Anti Zionist.

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May 20, 2018 23:49:44   #
emarine
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jews_purchasing_Arab_title_deed_in_Palestine.tif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1920_demontration_Palestine.jpg
Jewish Rabbi's purchasing land from an Arab land owner in the 1920's and Amnti Zionist demonstration in 1920




http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/evidence.html

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May 20, 2018 23:52:37   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
emarine wrote:
Excellent reply buddy but I disagree with most of it... First off at the turn of the 19th century the indigenous people occupying what we call Palestine were 1/3 Jewish farmers & 2/3rds Arab farmers & nomadic headers... they all basically squatted on Ottoman empire land with a Jewish presence for well over 1000 years... seems to me at that point no one really cared... as the Zionist movement started to gain in the mid 20's the Egyptian's started shipping Arabs to Palestine as labor to Jewish settlements...The Jews would rather employ new Jews than the Arabs for typical human reasons which pissed off the Arabs returning to Egypt ... Then the Muslim Brotherhood was formed in Egypt inciting a religious hatred toward all Jews on what they claimed as Arab land... When Hitler stole the Jews wealth in Germany & started shipping Jew's to Palestine in 33 in large numbers the Arabs declared a holy war...Jihadi
Excellent reply buddy but I disagree with most of ... (show quote)

Wait - I gotta stop here for a sec. So far in your rush history, you haven't mentioned anything about the displacement of the Palestinians. All of a sudden you're in 1933, like the displacement of Palestinians that started the moment Zionism started in the late 19th century is surgically removed from your narrative. I guess if it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to describe the demographics at the turn of the 19th century as being status quo over the previous thousand years. The truth is, Jews have already started mass migration from Eastern Europe and by the turn of the century it was becoming a new problem. A lot of these immigrants were not even Semitic people, they were Europeans, mostly Slavic, who had converted to Judaism and then, unfortunately to Zionism, which is a totally different thing.

Also, the Palestinians didn't spend 1000 years squatting on Ottoman land with a Jewish presence. The Jewish that were present WERE Palestinian. There were Palestinian Jews then just like there are Israeli Jews and American Jews today. And these Semitic people of Palestine, Arabs and Hebrews alike were not squatting anymore than the Greeks, Russians and Hungarians that were also ruled by the Turkish Empire.

unpause...

emarine wrote:

When Hitler stole the Jews wealth in Germany & started shipping Jew's to Palestine in 33 in large numbers the Arabs declared a holy war...Jihadi ...against all Jews as invaders of Arab lands...

It didn't all start with the Haavara Agreement bro... that was just another episode in an already long-running season. It *did* result in a spike in immigration but it was by no means the start. And yes, there were some extreme reactions from some of the Arabs, but it's not like we can pretend to be much better when we ourselves have such a strong Nativist culture... I mean, I hear American conservatives say some pretty hateful things about immigrants from Mexico. So you would think they would understand how the Palestinians felt, with all these European immigrants coming in and literally taking what they want.

emarine wrote:

when the Ottoman empire fell the British & French divided up all the lands from the Ottoman empire giving Palestine & Jorden to split between the Jews & Arabs... Balfour.. that didn't work because of the King of Jorden wouldn't accept the Arabs back which were mostly from Jorden to begin with

It's Jordan... and no, the Arabs they were refusing were not from Jordan they're from Palestine. Two different provinces. The Balfour Agreement would have displaced a lot of Arabs from Palestine and Jordan didn't feel they should have to absorb the refugees just because the Jews wanted to kick them out of Palestine.

emarine wrote:

... as tensions grew the Arabs allied with the Nazis to exterminate the Jewish people in all of the ME... that plan failed as the Nazi's lost the 2nd war opening the door for the Zionist state that most of the free world accepted... the neo Nazi Muslim Brotherhood never ended their war with all the ME Jews not just the Zionists...

From what I can tell, the relationships between the Arab leaders and Nazi Germany were inconsistent and wrought with ulterior motives and corruption. Also, the Muslim Brotherhood has been banned in Egypt since 1958.

emarine wrote:

the entire anti Zionist movement started because the really religious Jews are still waiting for their God to lead the back to Israel & that hasn't happened yet... Extremist Islamic propaganda picked up on this anti Zionist BS and ran with it on public media seeking pity for the poor neo Nazi aggressors of never ending religious hatred & war...

The "really religious" Jews have apparently not forgotten that what makes a Jew, Jewish is his faith that God will lead them to Israel in Heaven. The Zionists are in the eyes of the true Rabbis, defiling God by leading people a material path to a material place they call Israel.

emarine wrote:

the people of Palestine are prisoners of neo Nazi terrorism ... there will never be any solution until the neo Nazis Arabs lose their hate BS like most humans with the ability to reason...

No, the people of Palestine are prisoners of Zionist terrorism. The will never be a solution as long as Zionists continue to push the Palestinian people out of existence.

emarine wrote:

by the way it was one of your post's that started me researching both sides of this issue several year's ago & 100's of hrs. of reading... thanks...

I'm glad I inspired you to research... just be careful - there's a lot of bullshit out there. ;)

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May 20, 2018 23:57:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
amadjuster wrote:
Here is what Dr. King thinks of you, Nik

I have a lot of respect for Dr King... but if that's what he actually said (who can trust a meme anymore) then he was wrong... Nicholas is 100% correct, Zionists and Jews are not the same thing.

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May 20, 2018 23:57:41   #
emarine
 
Nickolai wrote:
But the Zionist aren't Semitic people, they are Khazars, Yiddish speakers. They had to learn Hebrew not their natural language Khazars were a pagan people whos king Bulan decided in the 9th century to adopt a monotheistic religion and chose Judaism and brought Rabbis from Babylon to teach them the Talmud. They were a warlike people but were dispersed in to Russia and Eastern Europe by the Mongols in the early 13th century, they have no biblical connection to the Arabic lands in the Levant. So I'm not anti Semitic I'm Anti Zionist.
But the Zionist aren't Semitic people, they are K... (show quote)





Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Khazars. Here’s The Proof.
Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/

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May 21, 2018 00:01:50   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Nickolai wrote:
But the Zionist aren't Semitic people, they are Khazars, Yiddish speakers. They had to learn Hebrew not their natural language Khazars were a pagan people whos king Bulan decided in the 9th century to adopt a monotheistic religion and chose Judaism and brought Rabbis from Babylon to teach them the Talmud. They were a warlike people but were dispersed in to Russia and Eastern Europe by the Mongols in the early 13th century, they have no biblical connection to the Arabic lands in the Levant. So I'm not anti Semitic I'm Anti Zionist.
But the Zionist aren't Semitic people, they are K... (show quote)

Well said.

It's actually quite ironic that Zionists will call our opposition "anti-Semitic" when the Palestinians are more Semitic than they are.

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May 21, 2018 00:22:30   #
Nickolai
 
emarine wrote:
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/evidence.html






https://youtu.be/WZzIJDiedrQ

Watch Norman Finklestein debate the Zionist Nazi Allan Dershowitz on his book "A Case For Israel " where Finklestein exposes Dershowitz's lies and plagerism of Joan Peters controversial book.

Joan Peters book is -and was --controversial Critics of the book, including Norman Finkelstein, Edward Said and Noam Chomsky, contended that Ms. Peters had cherry-picked evidence that supported her conclusions, ignoring records and historians who disagreed with her. They regarded the book as polemical and her as an inexperienced historian.
In The New York Review of Books, Yehoshua Porath, a professor of Middle East history at Hebrew University, wrote that the book was symptomatic of “the two contrasting mythologies that the Arabs and the Jews have developed to explain their situations.”

“Like most myths, these generally contain some element of plausibility,” he continued, “some grain of historical truth, which through terminological ambiguity is then twisted into a false and grotesque shape. The unfortunate thing” about the book, he added, “is that from a position of apparently great learning and research, she attempts to refute the Arab myths merely by substituting the Jewish myths for them.” Ms. Peters stayed out of the spotlight as the debate raged and never published another book.

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May 21, 2018 00:34:33   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
emarine wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews Are Not Khazars. Here’s The Proof.
Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/

Interesting article - thanks.

I appreciate his disclaimer at the start about the "softness" of the science behind deciding who is who. The author, Alexander Beider, is basically saying there is no proof that there IS a link between the Ashkenazi Jews and the Khazars. That doesn't mean there isn't one... especially, if the science is a little soft anyway, right?

Does it matter?

I can tell just by looking at some of them... They're no more Semitic than I am. In fact the "Khazar Theory" is actually suggesting that there *IS* a link and I'm saying I don't see it. Beider and I seem to be in agreement there.

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