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May 20, 2018 18:00:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
Read the passages man It all in there. You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees! You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.” While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity. You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.
Read the passages man It all in there. You vigor... (show quote)
I don't care what or who you deny, Nik, you are most definitely no authority on the Bible, far from it. I have to laugh at your fallacious interpretations and the accusations you make, as if you had any idea of my convictions. I am neither insulted or "dehumanized" by the machinations of secular scientists and phony theologians.

I mean, c'mon, man, get real for once in your life. Your incessant psychobabble is tiresome.

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May 20, 2018 18:01:00   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Nickolai wrote:
That's not true When the Moors invaded Spain in711 Shepardi Jews followed them and remained until the Catholics defeated them in 1492 and drove them out The Jews were ordered to either convert to Christianity or die or they could leave with the Muslims. Jews and Muslims lived side by side in the middle east and Palestine for 600 years under the Ottoman Turks Hostilities did not break out until 1920 after the Balfour Declaration in 1918 The Palestinians resisting a Zionist take over and the Zionist determined to take over the land
That's not true When the Moors invaded Spain in711... (show quote)


The Jews were there before the Moors. They were there a long time before the Moors. You need to get a new History text, Nikipoo.

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May 20, 2018 18:01:45   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
emarine wrote:
I totally agree... extreme stupidity is pathetic... Maybe if the Arab terrorists taught math & science instead of how to sling rocks the people would know how to take care of themselves... a 2 state solution will not work with extreme Islam calling the shots in Palestine...

Here is a list of universities in the occupied territories...

Gaza
* Al-Aqsa University
* Al-Azhar University - Gaza
* Al-Quds Open University
* Gaza University
* Islamic University of Gaza
* Israa University
* Palestine Technical College
* University College of Applied Science
* University of Palestine

West Bank
* An-Najah National University
* Arab American University
* Bethlehem Bible College
* Bethlehem University
* Birzeit University
* Dar Al-Kalima University College of Arts & Culture
* Edward Said National Conservatory of Music
* Hebron University
* Ibrahimieh College
* Khodori Institute, Tulkarm
* Palestine Ahliya University
* Palestine Polytechnic University
* Al-Quds University
* International Academy of Art, Palestine

Other education and research institutions
* Applied Research Institute–Jerusalem
* Health, Development, Information and Policy Institute
* Palestinian Academic Network
* Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs
* Palestinian Ministry of Education and Higher Education

Learning how to fire a weapon when I was a kid didn't stop me from going to college.

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May 20, 2018 18:06:52   #
Nickolai
 
emarine wrote:
The lands of Palestine belonged to the Ottoman empire not the non existent Palestinian people... they owned nothing... same for the indigenous Jews... they were just there...freeloaders... there were more Arabs than Jews but the Jews were there long before Islam... so who's right... mob rule or who was there first?... you figure it out & choose for the world... either way the Ottoman's lost control of all the land to the Britts & France who dictated who gets what & where ...the Jews got all of Palestine & some of Trans Jorden ... The Balfour deal but the Arabs bitched until the UN split Palestine into 1/3 of its size than splitting it in half again for the Jews & people in Palestine... the Jews said yes but the Arabs said screw you it's just as easy to kill you all & take the land... I guess the Jews are tougher than they look & purchased their land fair & square until Israel became a state... Maybe the Arabs should quit bitching & fighting & get their shit together & clean up their mess... I don't pity the pathetic...
The lands of Palestine belonged to the Ottoman emp... (show quote)





If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the immigrating Zionist buy it from? In the first half of the 19th century no foreigner could own land under the Ottoman. It was Ottoman policy until 1867. When it came to the national aspirations of the Zionist movement, the Ottoman Empire opposed the idea of Jewish self-rule in Palestine, fearing it might lose control of Palestine after recently having lost other territories to various European powers. It also took issue with the Jews, as many came from Russia, which sought the empire's demise. In 1881 the Ottoman governmental administration (the Sublime Porte) decreed that foreign Jews could immigrate to and settle anywhere within the Ottoman Empire, except in Palestine and from 1882 until their defeat in 1918, the Ottomans continuously restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine. In 1882, Jews were banned from their Four Holy Cities and in 1891, after briefly allowing some Jewish immigration three years earlier, the Turkish rulers tried to again close the empire to Russian Jews. Nevertheless, during the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, many successful land purchases were made through organizations such as the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PJCA), Palestine Land Development Company and the Jewish National Fund. In the 1930s most land was bought from small landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, "52.6% of the lands were bought from big non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian-Arab landowners and only 9.4% from the Fellahin"

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May 20, 2018 18:10:36   #
Carol Kelly
 
proud republican wrote:
Little Richie, you are the biggest bigot of them all!!!So what is your fucking problem with me being Jewish RUSSIAN??? And FYI bigot, it doesnt really matter if im Russkie, or American..Bigot is bigot no matter where they come from!!!BTW Richie...ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST!!!.....whether you like it or not!!!


Proud, I’m proud of you and yes! Israel has God’s
‘ blessings as his chosen people. They have every right to succeed. They’ve worked long and hard and suffered the world’s most horrible punishment just for being Jewish.

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May 20, 2018 18:14:39   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Nickolai wrote:
If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the immigrating Zionist buy it from? In the first half of the 19th century no foreigner could own land under the Ottoman. It was Ottoman policy until 1867. When it came to the national aspirations of the Zionist movement, the Ottoman Empire opposed the idea of Jewish self-rule in Palestine, fearing it might lose control of Palestine after recently having lost other territories to various European powers. It also took issue with the Jews, as many came from Russia, which sought the empire's demise. In 1881 the Ottoman governmental administration (the Sublime Porte) decreed that foreign Jews could immigrate to and settle anywhere within the Ottoman Empire, except in Palestine and from 1882 until their defeat in 1918, the Ottomans continuously restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine. In 1882, Jews were banned from their Four Holy Cities and in 1891, after briefly allowing some Jewish immigration three years earlier, the Turkish rulers tried to again close the empire to Russian Jews. Nevertheless, during the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, many successful land purchases were made through organizations such as the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PJCA), Palestine Land Development Company and the Jewish National Fund. In the 1930s most land was bought from small landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, "52.6% of the lands were bought from big non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian-Arab landowners and only 9.4% from the Fellahin"
If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the... (show quote)


Non-Palestinian landowners means Ottoman Turks. This is too easy.

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May 20, 2018 18:17:11   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
So, I gotta question for those making all these really lame excuses for the hideous regime in Israel... Do you feel that this conflict is fulfilling a prophecy? Of course I am referring to the End Days. I ask because I can't think of any reason why some of you would be so outlandish with your claims unless you had reason to defy logic and be so extreme with your prejudice. Prophecy (for those who believe) seems like one possible reason for that and in a recent poll I noticed 49% of the respondents in the U.S. with strong support for Israel confess that prophecy *IS* a major influence if not the primary reason.

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May 20, 2018 18:25:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
So, I gotta question for those making all these really lame excuses for the hideous regime in Israel... Do you feel that this conflict is fulfilling a prophecy? Of course I am referring to the End Days. I ask because I can't think of any reason why some of you would be so outlandish with your claims unless you had reason to defy logic and be so extreme with your prejudice. Prophecy (for those who believe) seems like one possible reason for that and in a recent poll I noticed 49% of the respondents in the U.S. with strong support for Israel confess that prophecy *IS* a major influence if not the primary reason.
So, I gotta question for those making all these re... (show quote)
Mosad Yousef is the eldest son of the co-founder of Hamas. His story of awakening and redemption is incredible. I reckon he is an infinitely more credible source than the likes of you.

Mosab Hassan Yousef Stuns the UN Human Rights Council Debate

Mosad Yousef at the anti-BDS conference

Mosad Yousef and his Israeli Shin Bet handler, Gonen Ben Yitzhak

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May 20, 2018 18:26:12   #
Nickolai
 
emarine wrote:
I totally agree... extreme stupidity is pathetic... Maybe if the Arab terrorists taught math & science instead of how to sling rocks the people would know how to take care of themselves... a 2 state solution will not work with extreme Islam calling the shots in Palestine...





How are they supposed to take care of them selves in an open air prison where no one can go out or come in with out permission that is rearly given. They can't get out even get out for emergency medical reasons. Before zionist immigration the Palestinians were self sufficient. When Europeans were still barbarians the middle east was advanced in science math education trade and metallurgy. It was the arab's that invented the O in math and they knew the use of Pi when Europeans were just learning to add 2 and 2

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May 20, 2018 18:27:13   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
straightUp wrote:
So, I gotta question for those making all these really lame excuses for the hideous regime in Israel... Do you feel that this conflict is fulfilling a prophecy? Of course I am referring to the End Days. I ask because I can't think of any reason why some of you would be so outlandish with your claims unless you had reason to defy logic and be so extreme with your prejudice. Prophecy (for those who believe) seems like one possible reason for that and in a recent poll I noticed 49% of the respondents in the U.S. with strong support for Israel confess that prophecy *IS* a major influence if not the primary reason.
So, I gotta question for those making all these re... (show quote)


You are asking us about prejudice? Really?

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May 20, 2018 18:29:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Nickolai wrote:
If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the immigrating Zionist buy it from? In the first half of the 19th century no foreigner could own land under the Ottoman. It was Ottoman policy until 1867. When it came to the national aspirations of the Zionist movement, the Ottoman Empire opposed the idea of Jewish self-rule in Palestine, fearing it might lose control of Palestine after recently having lost other territories to various European powers. It also took issue with the Jews, as many came from Russia, which sought the empire's demise. In 1881 the Ottoman governmental administration (the Sublime Porte) decreed that foreign Jews could immigrate to and settle anywhere within the Ottoman Empire, except in Palestine and from 1882 until their defeat in 1918, the Ottomans continuously restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine. In 1882, Jews were banned from their Four Holy Cities and in 1891, after briefly allowing some Jewish immigration three years earlier, the Turkish rulers tried to again close the empire to Russian Jews. Nevertheless, during the late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, many successful land purchases were made through organizations such as the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PJCA), Palestine Land Development Company and the Jewish National Fund. In the 1930s most land was bought from small landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, "52.6% of the lands were bought from big non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian-Arab landowners and only 9.4% from the Fellahin"
If the Palestinians owned nothing then who did the... (show quote)

From what I understand, the people that lived in Palestine hadn't developed a rigorous body of laws to govern land. There culture was in some respects similar to that of the original Americans, where land wasn't really "owned". The Palestinians saw it more as a creation of God, to be cared for but not to be owned or exploited. The Ottomans established records of land ownership and requested all the inhabitants of Palestine to register their ownership, which many Palestinians saw as a way for the Ottomans to locate Palestinian men to draft into their wars with Russia. So many of them refused to register. The Zionists took advantage of that by insisting they could buy "unclaimed" land from the empire and so the first Palestinian farms were taken. It's been tricks ever since.

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May 20, 2018 18:31:33   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Nickolai wrote:
How are they supposed to take care of them selves in an open air prison where no one can go out or come in with out permission that is rearly given. They can't get out even get out for emergency medical reasons. Before zionist immigration the Palestinians were self sufficient. When Europeans were still barbarians the middle east was advanced in science math education trade and metallurgy. It was the arab's that invented the O in math and they knew the use of Pi when Europeans were just learning to add 2 and 2
How are they supposed to take care of them selves ... (show quote)


I’ll bet they were better at grammer, too.

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May 20, 2018 18:33:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
amadjuster wrote:
You are asking us about prejudice? Really?


Can you tell me how this...
amadjuster wrote:

Muslims have been killing Jews since Mohammad got going. Pay back is a bitch.
...isn't prejudice?

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May 20, 2018 18:35:02   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
straightUp wrote:
From what I understand, the people that lived in Palestine hadn't developed a rigorous body of laws to govern land. There culture was in some respects similar to that of the original Americans, where land wasn't really "owned". The Palestinians saw it more as a creation of God, to be cared for but not to be owned or exploited. The Ottomans established records of land ownership and requested all the inhabitants of Palestine to register their ownership, which many Palestinians saw as a way for the Ottomans to locate Palestinian men to draft into their wars with Russia. So many of them refused to register. The Zionists took advantage of that by insisting they could buy "unclaimed" land from the empire and so the first Palestinian farms were taken. It's been tricks ever since.
From what I understand, the people that lived in P... (show quote)


So the Palestinians were the first draft dodgers? Why don’t check your theory against Sharia, since that is what applied.

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May 20, 2018 18:37:04   #
Nickolai
 
emarine wrote:
I totally agree... extreme stupidity is pathetic... Maybe if the Arab terrorists taught math & science instead of how to sling rocks the people would know how to take care of themselves... a 2 state solution will not work with extreme Islam calling the shots in Palestine...






There was a two state agreement in 1993 and signed in 19095 in the Oslo accords signed But Yitzhzak Rabin was assassinated the right wing likud party took over and refused to recognize the agreement Palestinians got along just fine before the zionist bean shoving them into a corner

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