Try to fathom this: America has nearly thirty times the amount of gun violence as Australia, New Zealand, and Germany; nearly fifteen times that of Austria and Denmark; nearly ten times that of the Netherlands; nearly seven times that of Sweden, Finland, and Iceland; six times that of Canada; five times that of Luxembourg and Belgium; and four times that of Switzerland. (United Nations data compiled by the Guardian.) Why? And why don't we do something about it? Another way of looking at that: Americans make up less than 5 percent of the world’s population yet own roughly 42 percent of all the world’s privately held firearms.
These two facts — on gun deaths and firearm ownership — are related. The research, compiled by the Harvard School of Public Health’s Injury Control Research Center, is pretty clear: After controlling for variables such as socioeconomic factors and other crime, places with more guns have more gun deaths. Researchers have found this to be true not just with homicides, but also with suicides (which in recent years were around 60 percent of US gun deaths), domestic violence, and even violence against police.
For example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
We are complicit in these mass shootings. Gun control works and we need to do more to protect our children.
Its NOT the guns,Its the idiots holding the guns,I would venture to say,that 99.9% of guns,have NEVER killed anyone.There were more that likely,signs,that this person (the shooter) was a disturbed individual.but,no one thought to help him.
Its NOT the guns,Its the idiots holding the guns,I would venture to say,that 99.9% of guns,have NEVER killed anyone.There were more that likely,signs,that this person (the shooter) was a disturbed individual.but,no one thought to help him.
boatbob2 wrote:
Its NOT the guns,Its the idiots holding the guns,I would venture to say,that 99.9% of guns,have NEVER killed anyone.There were more that likely,signs,that this person (the shooter) was a disturbed individual.but,no one thought to help him.
So you are in effect saying, given my opening statement about the percentage of gun violence per other nations, that we have In America far more idiots? Who is not disturbed that takes a gun and kills their fellow students? But Mental Illness is perhaps 20% of it. And the diagnosed mentally ill are less likely to commit such crimes than the general population.
rumitoid wrote:
So you are in effect saying, given my opening statement about the percentage of gun violence per other nations, that we have In America far more idiots? Who is not disturbed that takes a gun and kills their fellow students? But Mental Illness is perhaps 20% of it. And the diagnosed mentally ill are less likely to commit such crimes than the general population.
The homicide rate in the United States is 4.2 murders per 100,000 people. Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela and El Salvador have the highest in the world, with Honduras holding the top slot with 91 homicides per 100,000, and in one Honduran province the rate is 115 per 100,000.
Sorry, rumi, these school shootings have nothing to do with guns or gun free zones, the cause is much deeper, it is a societal problem that transcends any sort of political solution. Ironically, it was exactly the political correctness rampant in liberal progressive ideology that created this social problem.
Blade_Runner wrote:
The homicide rate in the United States is 4.2 murders per 100,000 people. Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela and El Salvador have the highest in the world, with Honduras holding the top slot with 91 homicides per 100,000, and in one Honduran province the rate is 115 per 100,000.
Sorry, rumi, these school shootings have nothing to do with guns or gun free zones, the cause is much deeper, it is a societal problem that transcends any sort of political solution. Ironically, it was exactly the political correctness rampant in liberal progressive ideology that created this social problem.
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I expected this kind of perverse logic. Do not do anything to protect our children because gun violence is worse elsewhere. Huh?
rumitoid wrote:
So you are in effect saying, given my opening statement about the percentage of gun violence per other nations, that we have In America far more idiots?
Yes, and I would say that the number of people who are rabid leftists, like you, are the proof of that fact. If guns are the real cause of shootings, then spoons and forks are the real causes of obesity.
Like most leftists, you have incorrectly diagnosed the problem, and then proposed an incorrect solution. Remember, almost all mass shooters are liberals and democrats. Another incorrect diagnosis from that info would be that being a democrat causes a person to become a mass shooter, and then coming up with the wrong solution of executing democrats to prevent killings. That would be about as stupid as outlawing all guns to stop mass killings, ... but when you think about it, killing all democrats would very probably be more effective.
PLT Sarge wrote:
What do you propose ?
Gun control. Universal mandatory Federal background check and a budget to make them effective. A two week waiting period for a license minimum. Mandatory gun safety and use classes for all owners, repeated every five years, when re-licensing. No assault rifles or bump stocks. No magazines over ten bullets. No weapons for those on the Nation's Travel ban, state domestic violence cases, mentally ill with violent tendencies, or ex-cons prone to violence. All properly funded by state and federal monies.
That we are far and away the most violent country in the developed nations is disgustingly clear. No other nation comes close.
Trooper745 wrote:
Yes, and I would say that the number of people who are rabid leftists, like you, are the proof of that fact. If guns are the real cause of shootings, then spoons and forks are the real causes of obesity.
Like most leftists, you have incorrectly diagnosed the problem, and then proposed an incorrect solution. Remember, almost all mass shooters are liberals and democrats. Another incorrect diagnosis from that info would be that being a democrat causes a person to become a mass shooter, and then coming up with the wrong solution of executing democrats to prevent killings. That would be about as stupid as outlawing all guns to stop mass killings, ... but when you think about it, killing all democrats would very probably be more effective.
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"Remember, almost all mass shooters are liberals and democrats." Wildly false allegation directly contradicted by the Santa Fe shooter. Any more lies you would like on the runway of Shame?
rumitoid wrote:
Wildly false allegation directly contradicted by the Santa Fe shooter.
One possibly conservative shooter disproves dozens of known leftist shooters? Like I said, "Leftists are a bunch of bat-crap crazies. Go back to your leftist entertainment of screaming at the sky and eating tide pods.
rumitoid wrote:
I expected this kind of perverse logic. Do not do anything to protect our children because gun violence is worse elsewhere. Huh?
The murder rate by white males is about the same as it is in Australia and England. About 3 per one hundred thousand (most studies lump some of the Hispanic murders into the white numbers so the actual rate is lower than usually quoted). The murder rate by white females is so low it barely registers.
The murder rate by black males is over 20 per one hundred thousand.
But blacks are only 12 percent of the population so their rate represents a huge increase over the white rate. Even more so when you consider that the murders in the black community are committed by young black men between 16 and 46, or about 3 percent of the population or a rate of about 80 per hundred thousand, an incredible figure that should frighten everybody in the country but most especially the black community.
The police know who these guys are; there are not too many of them in actual numbers and many go on killing. If you took them out of the population somehow the overall murder rate would be about the same as the other industrialized countries. That we allow this to continue shows we are not really serious about murder.
BTW the black murders are usually committed against fellow blacks. Is this genocide encouraged perhaps? It certainly seems so, just as the Sanger abortion plan was conceived to reduce the black population, another fantastically successful program still in action.
Trooper745 wrote:
One possibly conservative shooter disproves dozens of known leftist shooters? Like I said, "Leftists are a bunch of bat-crap crazies. Go back to your leftist entertainment of screaming at the sky and eating tide pods.
The "Leftists" shooters of JFK, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy? All the lynchings of blacks in the South were done by leftist?
boofhead wrote:
The murder rate by white males is about the same as it is in Australia and England. About 3 per one hundred thousand (most studies lump some of the Hispanic murders into the white numbers so the actual rate is lower than usually quoted). The murder rate by white females is so low it barely registers.
The murder rate by black males is over 20 per one hundred thousand.
But blacks are only 12 percent of the population so their rate represents a huge increase over the white rate. Even more so when you consider that the murders in the black community are committed by young black men between 16 and 46, or about 3 percent of the population or a rate of about 80 per hundred thousand, an incredible figure that should frighten everybody in the country but most especially the black community.
The police know who these guys are; there are not too many of them in actual numbers and many go on killing. If you took them out of the population somehow the overall murder rate would be about the same as the other industrialized countries. That we allow this to continue shows we are not really serious about murder.
BTW the black murders are usually committed against fellow blacks. Is this genocide encouraged perhaps? It certainly seems so, just as the Sanger abortion plan was conceived to reduce the black population, another fantastically successful program still in action.
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Some good points there, boofhead, .... add in the half million plus unborn children murdered by abortion each year, and while black women make up only six percent of the U.S. population, they account for about 35 percent of abortions reported.
Would you believe that most billboards advertising for abortions are in predominantly black areas of the USA. Do you think that is just a coincidence? Could it be that racist democrats fight so hard to keep murder by abortion legal in the USA, just to reduce black births?
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