saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

straight, Israel would only use nukes under two conditions. The first is if they were under an existential attack and the enemy was successful in breaking through their lines. The second is if they were under the threat of nuclear attack themselves. They have been in several wars and never even thought of using these weapons.
Like some other " anti-Zionists" on OPP, you have given a one sided view of the Arab- Israeli conflict. When Israel was declared a state, they accepted the borders that were assigned to them by the UN. These borders were much smaller than those that they had after the War of Independence. The Palestinians and the surrounding Arab states didn't accept The conditions and immediately attacked the tiny Jewish state, with the goal of annihilation. When the war was over, the Israelis defeated the Palestinian fighters and all the Arab armies including, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and several others. They were and still are ready to negotiate with their enemies for a solution that would be fair to all, but the Palestinians still refuse to negotiate in good faith. If the Palestinians are suffering today, which no doubt they are, they can only blame their leaders. It has been said of the PA, that they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

Sounds correct.

PeterS

Who cares if they are Hamas. My point was the conservative point that everyone has a right to bear arms and to use those arms to ward off tyranny. In fact Buffalo just made the argument that if everyone were armed then it would lead to a peaceful and nonviolent society. So, what we should do is put an AK in the hands of every Palestinian that way peace in the middle east would finally come about.

straightUp Loc: California

No they aren't. Israel is annihilating Palestine.


No it hasn't. They had the land for a while and they lost it. It doesn't belong to them today anymore than the U.S. belongs to the Indians who had it 3,000 years ago.


That depends on which interpretation of The Almighty God's "words" you subscribe to.

According to Jewish Midrash... "the people were adjured not to return collectively to the Land of Israel by the exertion of physical force, nor to “rebel against the nations of the world,” nor to “hasten the End.” In short, they were required to wait for the heavenly, complete, miraculous, supernatural, and meta-historical redemption that is totally distinct from the realm of human endeavor. This waiting over two millennia manifests the very essence and singularity of the Jewish people, expressing their faith in divine providence, in the assurance of the prophets, and in messianic destiny."

Ironically, it seems the more Jewish they are (meaning how much they adhere to their traditions) the less support they offer for the State of Israel.

By far, the strongest support for Israel comes from the Christian-Right in America and the reason is a joke to Jews. The evangelist version of "God's Word" is that the Jews will help secure the area for the End Days when Jesus will reappear and instantly convert all the Jews to Christians so they can float up into Heaven and be saved.

blink, blink... Bwahaha!!

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Israel became a new nation in 1948 as fulfilled prophecy, the Jewish are God's chosen people." - jack
Yep.
The unconditional covenant with Abraham and his seed. The Hebrews. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob was who the covenant was made. Not to agnostic, atheist usurpers. The ones running Israel.
It is quite plain to those that study who the covenant is with. Not much of that is done in a lot of "Christian" churches.
The migrations of 10 Tribed Israel, during and after the Assyrian captivity is ignored also.
{ie. Anglo Saxons (Sons of Isaac), Danites, and the many prophecies on Joseph and his Sons, Ephraim and Manasseh.}

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

2 Cor. 4:3-4 - but if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

straightUp Loc: California

Excellent point!

As you know, you can't have a right-wing conservative without a double-standard. When they say everyone should have access to guns they are forgetting that "everyone" includes black and brown people. Indeed, Israel is heavy on gun control... Perhaps not surprisingly Palestinians in the occupied territories are allowed to bear arms. But even in Israel proper, Israelis must meet a detailed list of criteria to be allowed to own a firearm (being Jewish is one of them). They must ask the state for a license, are permitted only one gun at a time, and must even ask for permission to sell their gun. And the Firearms Licensing Department is no rubber stamp: Roughly 40 percent of requests are rejected.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/comparing-america-to-israel-on-gun-laws-is-dishonest-and-revealing/

It doesn't just stop there... In Israel, most of the land that was taken from the Palestinians is owned by the state and controlled by a central authority. That land is then leased to Jews, there is no actual private ownership in this situation. That is in direct conflict with the spirit of private ownership and rugged individualism that supposedly stands as a pillar of conservatives values in America. Not to mention Israel's kibbutz system is 100% communist... perhaps the only truly successful example of communism anywhere in the world.

With all that heavy-handed centralized and collective control over the state, perhaps it's not surprising that we are witnessing the oppression of the Palestinian people.

straightUp Loc: California

The reason why they haven't used their nuclear weapons is because they can't. They can't use their nuclear weapons without wiping themselves off the face of the planet. As much as you think Israel is this big powerful nation, they really aren't, so don't let their audacity mislead you. All of their victories were based on surprise attacks and conflicts with weak nations and stateless terrorist organizations.


No salty, I have looked at this from many perspectives over many years and that's why I can see through the bullshit of the one-sided view YOU have been given.


*sigh*... you should probably read the thread before repeating the same crap that has already been discussed and debunked.

Start with this... http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=2421649&t=130619

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

And, you've tried to convince us that you are the world's greatest logician. Y'all have some work to do.

Ha, you can swallow that bullshit if it gives you a boner, but fantasies aren't exactly reliable. The Hamas terrorist militia is no match for the IDF, never has been, and if annihilation of the Palestinians was Israel's intention, this fight would have ended a long time ago. The IDF could have finished the job in one or two days.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

sUp we agree on this. Quite unique.
When one side is disarmed, you get massacres.
When there is balanced resistance, there is incentive for negotiating.
Real educated Republicans are not for NWO NeoCONS like McCain and Graham.
Real conservative Republicans are not internationalists. We stick to the principles of our Founding Fathers. The ones that wrote our Constitution.
Trump campaigned against the CFR foreign policy, but now he is surrounded by those types; Zionist Israel firsters.
As was Obama, Clinton, and the Bushes.

straightUp Loc: California

Exactly.


Another point of the covenant is that a return to Israel was never meant to be a return to a piece of land. It was a reference to messianic destiny. Zionism is a materialistic mutilation of God's covenant for the purpose of profit.





There seems to me a lot of lost souls in America... pretty much everyone making excuses for the synagogue of Satan as they mercilessly slaughter Palestinians. While the Jews that stay the true to their covenant with God make statements like this...

http://www.nkusa.org/customUploads/Image/trumpprotest640.jpg

and this...

http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/orthodox_rally005.jpg?w=600&quality=80

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Wow, now there's one hell of a spin. The Jihadis love their western sympathizers who disseminate their propaganda free of charge.

FYI: The Palestinians elected Hamas to govern them, however Hamas has never established and ratified a constitution or some sort of founding document that benefits the Palestinians as a whole, nothing by which the rest of world can recognize, accept and acknowledge Palestinian territory as a sovereign nation. The only operational document that defines Hamas' purpose is their charter. Known officially as the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, this covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad. It has nothing whatsoever to do with providing any benefits or rights for the Gaza Arabs. In fact this covenant is antithetical to the well being and prosperity of the Palestinians.

In addition, Iran provides Hamas with funding, weapons, and military advisors, IOW, Hamas is a state sponsored terror organization.

straightUp Loc: California

I dunno, there's a few things I think we agree on.


Or complete submission, which is what the Zionists hope for.


I can't argue that.


Is Graham a neocon? The Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies identifies Graham, during his U.S. House and U.S. Senate tenure, as having a mostly protectionist and pro-subsidies voting record. That's sounds opposite to neocon.


Are you saying our Founding Fathers were isolationists?


So what does that say about the president you voted for?

I really don't think Trump is that deep. I think he's just doing whatever it takes to get attention and it's the people around him that are taking advantage of that to push their various agendas.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Your pics of real Hebrews show the story the Zionist MSM ignores.
More Hebrews need to stand up against the Zionist NWO perps. HollyWeird needs to get a clue also.
http://www.nkusa.org/customUploads/Image/trumpprotest640.jpg

The NWO Zionist globalism must be exposed for what it is. It is the parasitical enemy within.
It has used Muslims to take down Christian Western Europe.

One world government with a one world religion. Islam is being used by NWO Zionists to destroy Christianity, real Capitalism, and the freedoms protected by the Bill of Rights. All in the guise of protecting us.
More Americans, Republicans and Democrats, better figure out how diabolical that plan is.
The NWO plan goes back to at least the late 1800's:
Top Illuminati Grand Wizard: “We Control Islam and We'll Use It to Destroy the West.” (WW3)
https://youtu.be/0dXD2H0m74g
(For the root of the planning, go to minute 6)

Inside this ''Illuminati Temple'' will shock you! (R$E)

https://youtu.be/uuT_4XElXOU

straightUp Loc: California

ha... ha.


You must really be a long way from reality if you think the provisional government in Gaza is one document away from sovereigity. LOL


None of that changes anything I've said. I don't like Hamas I never did. But when you put people in desperate situations they sometimes turn to desperate measures. There was 30 years of brutal oppression by the Zionists before they elected Hamas in 2006.


Military advisors? Ha, ha HA!!! Even if they could sneak military advisors into Gaza, WTF would they advise? There's no military in Gaza. They are an occupied territory! What part of that is so impossible for you to understand?

JoyV

"... obviously you have no clue what I was referring to. "

Maybe I don't have a clue. But it sounds to me like the same thing I hear from many liberals. Protesting is beautiful. No matter whether it is violent or peaceful. No matter whether the cause is just or rationalized. No matter if life, limb, or property is lost, no matter if children are purposely put in the path of danger. And no matter if for the same cause the protesters and their admirers won't lift a finger to help individually. The act of protesting is beautiful. So what have you, or more importantly these "protesters" done to improve their conditions?

"You don't have to suppress news agencies to open alternate channels and flood the media market with lies."

So you believe more people get their news from Israelphilic new sources than CNN, MSNBC, NYT, ...? Any flooding the Israelphilic might do is minuscule in comparison.

"No you don't. Not if your using the Carlisle Indian School as a reference. And people of Indian decent today claiming to know what oppression is like is no more ludicrous than blacks today saying they know what it's like to be a slave in chains. I'm not saying the Indians weren't oppressed, just that I doubt seriously that YOU are familiar enough to make such silly statements."

Our freedom didn't come with the Emancipation proclamation. It only came in 1978. Until then we were wards of the state. I have scars on my head from being stoned by non American Indian kids when my sib and I were enrolled in a non Indian school when I was in kindergarten. I staggered home drenched in blood. My clothes were peeled off in the hospital and burned when my head was stitched up. If my head were shaved it would show dozens of scars. After I was more careful where I walked as this wasn't a one time occurrence. When entering class for the first time, the teacher protested having an Indian in class. When she was over ruled she pushed one desk into a far corner facing the wall where I was to sit. I wasn't allowed to share the girl's lavatory. Similar treatments in stores. And forget restaurants.

It was my mother at Carlisle. Not some distant ancestor. Yet I didn't grow up filled with hate. I didn't grow up playing the victim card. I did grow up with a sense of justice. But justice, not victimhood. There IS a difference!

Re: foreign aide:
Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the
mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion...
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

Re: payment to families of killed terrorists; see Hamas' own statements which others have posted on this thread.