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May 16, 2018 21:49:03   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JoyV wrote:
The definition of Zionism is: an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel.

Well that's a good general description... The problem arises when you start thinking about the people who are already in Palestine. I don't understand how that doesn't become apparent to you in the moments before you can even finish typing that statement.

JoyV wrote:

Yes Arabs are semitic genetically. But the term anti-semitic has come to be associated solely with anti-Jew. I think most Arabs would be insulted if you called them a semite.

OK... I'll concede on that one. I've just always been stickler for a more precise lexicon.

JoyV wrote:

And can you not stand up for peace foe Palestinians AND peace for Israelis? Let me qualify. Peace for LIVING Palestinians and Israelis. I know that some want peace by exterminating all Israelis.

Two-state solution.

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May 16, 2018 21:54:39   #
JoyV
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There are no US troops in Israel fighting Hamas, nor are any of our troops reinforcing the IDF. The US military has over 1.3 million men and women on active duty, with more than 450,000 of them stationed overseas.

Many of these overseas service members perform training exercises and other duties at relatively safe bases. Then there are others who are deployed to conflict zones like Syria or Iraq or potential hotspots like Somalia. Those in Iraq and Syria are engaged in eliminating ISIS.

Of the US Navy's seven fleets, three are deployed in or near potential hotspots around the world. The Navy's 6th Fleet is stationed in the Strait of Gibraltar; the 5th is patrolling in the eastern Med; and the 7th is off the coast of Japan. The fleets in the Med are there in support of troops in Iraq and Syria and/or to pose a military threat to the most dangerous enemy in the ME--Iran. No US Navy units are engaged in supporting Israel's fight with Hamas.

It is obvious that the destruction of Israel and elimination of the Jews is high on your wish list, so let's follow your foolish advice with hypotheticals. Assume we pull all our military forces out of the ME, what then? Assume the IDF is defeated, Israel is destroyed, and the Jews are killed or scattered, what then? Do you think that these scenarios will remove America from Islam's target list?
There are no US troops in Israel fighting Hamas, n... (show quote)


And will the Palestinians have a better life? Will the surrounding Arab nations allow Palestinians to keep the improved land and infrastructure of Israel? What about Israel's military arsenal? Far from there being peace in the middle east, the end of Israel may mark a conflagration between many powers.

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May 16, 2018 22:00:30   #
JoyV
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
More of your nonsense. You'ed have us believe that Arab countries are really concerned for Isreal? Bullshit! It's religion based, Sunni, and Shia. Once they work out their differences, their combined forces will focus on those you're trollin' for.

You may have noticed, the Democratic parties support for Israel is beginning to fracture. Perhaps at some point, there will be enough American's, too many to assassinate, opposed to the idea of being used as Israel's piggy bank, to foster real change.
More of your nonsense. You'ed have us believe that... (show quote)


They are concerned for themselves and the instability created. Not everyone chooses ideology, or religion, over all other considerations. If they want to compete in the international market (which some Arab nations do), reducing instability is important.

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May 16, 2018 22:05:24   #
JoyV
 
PeterS wrote:
If slinging rocks such effective weapons why are you con's so insistent on hanging onto your AR-15's when rocks would be just as good?


It takes a lot more practice and muscle to use a sling shot effectively. And carrying the ammo around in not as neat as rocks aren't slotted neatly into magazines.

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May 16, 2018 22:12:09   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
So, you're an accomplished equestrian! Good to know. Perhaps we've met. In 1990 my wife and I signed up for our first of a dozen years on the annual "River City Trail Ride." Have you ever heard of, or participated in that ride? That year, it left Indianola, Iowa. Destination: Omaha, Nebraska.

Like I said, we participated for twelve years straight. Shit, I don't remember for sure, but I think it was held in September. It departed from different locations over the years, but Omaha was always the destination.

There was some type of celebration taking place in Omaha that coincided with the rides. I use the term rides, for not only was there the ride we were on but there where I think two others, one coming from the north and one coming from the west. We, of course, were the ride coming in from the east.

One of the major newspapers in Omaha, when newspapers were making money, sponsored the rides. It hardly cost anything to participate, plus two meals where provided. The first couple of years there was close to a couple hundred riders.

As we moved across Iowa, we would hold up for the night at county fairgrounds. The route west was a little north of I-80. The first few years were great, you'd get up, get the horses ready, and move out.

There were folks there that would shuttle your trailer to the next stop, these folks would come just to move trailers. However, for some reason, that policy was nixed. After they quit moving trailers, you would have to get up, get the horses ready, move the trailer to the next layover, and ride a bus, provided for this service, back to where the horses were. That sort of took some of the shine off of the experience.

All things come to an end eventually, and this ride was no exception. The last couple of years, things begin to change, the newspaper due to changing times that affected their profits, had ceased to sponsor the rides, some of the die-hards attempted to keep it going, but it wasn't the same.

However, we met some friends on the ride that we still do horse things with. In October a bunch of us get together and spend a week at a horse camp, usually in Missouri. Perhaps you'd like to join us sometime, always room for one more.
So, you're an accomplished equestrian! Good to kno... (show quote)

Sounds like we one thing in common Richard. Horses...... we use to go on trail rides down in Tama, up in MN and down in Hampton. We belonged to a club called the Seneca saddle Club up here. Our horse barn at home had air conditioning before our house did. We had 49 registered Quarter horses. My mom was a registered Quarter horse judge. So needless to say we traveled all over the US in the summer to horse shows and rodeos. My 2 uncle's were rodeo clowns. What a great way to grow up. I loved it.
We had one of the few Tiger Dunns in the US at the time. I think there were only 7 then.
Good memories...and all surrounded horses.
I'd take u up on joining that ride. Sounds like it would be great fun.....

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May 16, 2018 22:15:32   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
V-Rod and a Sportster. I didn't know what a Vespa is, till I looked it up. The fact that amadjsuter did know, is probably an indication he had one. Probably had training wheels on it too.


At home on the farm, I learned to ride on an old Indian with a suicide clutch. My brothers found it and fixed it up for me..My brother still has it stored up in his quanset. Bet that thing is worth quite a bit these days.

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May 16, 2018 22:17:25   #
JoyV
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
OK, I blew it on OEF, BFD, it was not an important point other than to show that our troops engaged today are not suffering the level of casualties that occurred years ago.

Now, explain just how the Israelis are "acting like Nazis". Have the Israelis established concentration and death camps? Do they have gas chambers and crematoriums? Do Israeli death squads roam the Arab world executing masses of innocent civilians, men, women and children, and bulldozing their bodies into pits? So Israel doctors conduct horrendous medical experiments on the retarded, the infirm, the crippled, and elderly? Do Jews strap on explosive vests and detonate in buses, malls and marketplaces crowded with innocent people? Do Israelis torture, burn, impale, behead, hang, and disembowel those who refuse to convert to Judaism? Do Israelis execute homosexuals by throwing them off high buildings? Do Israelis murder wives who have committed adultery to preserve family honor? Do Israelis stone rape victims to death? Do Israelis mutilate the genitals of their female children so they cannot reproduce? Is it Israel's goal to exterminate all Arabs?

Do you understand the true meaning of "full of shit"?
OK, I blew it on OEF, BFD, it was not an important... (show quote)



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May 16, 2018 22:25:13   #
JoyV
 
straightUp wrote:
Two-state solution.


So you advocate forcing the Palestinians to accept a two state solution? They have always rejected the two state solution before.

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May 16, 2018 22:31:33   #
JoyV
 
kankune wrote:
Sounds like we one thing in common Richard. Horses...... we use to go on trail rides down in Tama, up in MN and down in Hampton. We belonged to a club called the Seneca saddle Club up here. Our horse barn at home had air conditioning before our house did. We had 49 registered Quarter horses. My mom was a registered Quarter horse judge. So needless to say we traveled all over the US in the summer to horse shows and rodeos. My 2 uncle's were rodeo clowns. What a great way to grow up. I loved it.
We had one of the few Tiger Dunns in the US at the time. I think there were only 7 then.
Good memories...and all surrounded horses.
I'd take u up on joining that ride. Sounds like it would be great fun.....
Sounds like we one thing in common Richard. Horses... (show quote)


My father was a rodeo clown too. He followed the rodeo circuit and Indian rodeos too. His horses were always trained by my great great great grandmother. She taught me to ride without any tack. When I could show I could control the horse at any speed and stop with no tack, she let me have my own horse.

But I only partially followed in her footsteps. Instead of becoming a horse trainer, I became a guide dog trainer.

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May 16, 2018 22:32:36   #
Richard Rowland
 
JoyV wrote:
Then ow do you explain our conflicts with Muslims before the founding of modern Israel? Our close ties with Israel are an additional reason Muslims are anti-American. It is not the only reason. It certainly wasn't the reason in the 19th century.


You're, of course, referring to that period when Marines acquired the sobriquet, Leatherneck.

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May 16, 2018 22:42:33   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
JoyV wrote:
My father was a rodeo clown too. He followed the rodeo circuit and Indian rodeos too. His horses were always trained by my great great great grandmother. She taught me to ride without any tack. When I could show I could control the horse at any speed and stop with no tack, she let me have my own horse.

But I only partially followed in her footsteps. Instead of becoming a horse trainer, I became a guide dog trainer.


Those rodeo days were great fun Joy. I'd love to go back to some of those days. I didn't follow in Moms footsteps. Went to the big city and went into sales and communications. Now I'm back home in my small town right around the corner from my girls..Life is good...a lot quieter, and a lot less stressful.

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May 16, 2018 22:46:01   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JoyV wrote:
And will the Palestinians have a better life? Will the surrounding Arab nations allow Palestinians to keep the improved land and infrastructure of Israel? What about Israel's military arsenal? Far from there being peace in the middle east, the end of Israel may mark a conflagration between many powers.

Joy... There is nothing wrong with the way Palestinians were using their land. They've been a self-sustaining people for thousands of years.

You should read The Lexus and the Olive Tree by Thomas Friedman. The very symbols mentioned in the title relate directly to what you are describing. You are comparing the traditional use of land, as exercised by the Palestinians to the commercial use as promoted by Israel. In Friedman's metaphor, the traditional approach would be the "The Olive Tree" and and the commercial approach, "The Lexus".

Trump's own disregard for religious moral value and his obsession with capital underlies his position on Israel in much the same way it does for the Zionists. They've figured out a way to turn olive trees into luxury cars.

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May 16, 2018 22:55:04   #
Richard Rowland
 
kankune wrote:
Sounds like we one thing in common Richard. Horses...... we use to go on trail rides down in Tama, up in MN and down in Hampton. We belonged to a club called the Seneca saddle Club up here. Our horse barn at home had air conditioning before our house did. We had 49 registered Quarter horses. My mom was a registered Quarter horse judge. So needless to say we traveled all over the US in the summer to horse shows and rodeos. My 2 uncle's were rodeo clowns. What a great way to grow up. I loved it.
We had one of the few Tiger Dunns in the US at the time. I think there were only 7 then.
Good memories...and all surrounded horses.
I'd take u up on joining that ride. Sounds like it would be great fun.....
Sounds like we one thing in common Richard. Horses... (show quote)


I sent my money, but at this point, I don't know the name of the place we're going to. I know it's someplace in Missouri. We used to go to Eminence, Missouri. A couple of times to Farmington, Ia.

We have always gone, the first part of October. I'll find out where it is, we're going, and let you know. Also any other information, I get. In, fact, I don't recall the cost of staying at the place. Eminence would provide three meals plus a few evenings of entertainment. This place we're going to doesn't provide meals.

We are, of course, pre-registered. I don't know if that's a requirement, or not. I'll attempt to get as much information as possible for you, then you can decide if you'd like to join us.

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May 16, 2018 23:02:32   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
straightUp wrote:
I never got arrested. I always had a career to protect. Not getting arrested in the US is easy for white liberals like me. We just stay out of trouble. And it's hard to gauge the "success" of a protest. The point is to draw attention to the problem. From there on it's really up to diplomacy and law.


Why would I waste a vacation on a protest? Fly fishing is much better.

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May 16, 2018 23:09:14   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JoyV wrote:
So you advocate forcing the Palestinians to accept a two state solution? They have always rejected the two state solution before.

I don't advocate "forcing" anyone to do anything except to cease hostilities. And I make no exception for Palestinians with malicious intent. But I agree with EU in saying that Israel's use of force is disproportionate. I mean c'mon Joy... rocks and slings vs state-of-the-art military hardware? Can you maybe see how your "dangerous Palestinian" excuse might seem a little pathetic given my perspective?

Getting back to your loaded question... I advocate the pursuit of a genuine agreement between conflicting parties. I could be wrong but I think the two-state solution is about the closest any plan has come to a genuine agreement in the last 70 years. So, I'm on board with that one. If you have a better idea, do share.

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