BigMike Loc: yerington nv

For a few.

Morgan

I think I have to agree with that...

Morgan

I think it's in our DNA. I think it might help if we could live longer to get wiser, when we can let go of the ego. Hopefully anyways.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

My apologies. You seemed to me to be indicating that the current suit by the The Justice Department was somehow related to voter fraud, which it is not.

I still have not seen any actual evidence presented of 45,000 people voting in multiple districts.
What DOES happen is that people may be REGISTERED to vote in multiple districts. This results from things like people moving and not notifying the registrar in their former district. This is generally the case when it is claimed that dead people voted. Dead people may still be on voter registration rolls, but there seems to be almost no occasions of a dead person's vote being cast. The issue appears to be one of inadequate housekeeping of voter rolls, not fraudulent voting.

If the states did not hand over voting records than I am wondering by what magic the commission was able to arrive at any conclusion at all. And if they were able to before the commission was disbanded, where have their findings been published?

All I can find indicates that DHS is not investigating voter fraud. That is the jurisdiction of The Justice Department.

http://epic.org/2018/02/epic-files-foia-request-about.html


My opinion is that there is no real indication of the kind of voter fraud Trump and The Republican Party claim to have occurred.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I find it laughable that you claim all the hatred is coming form the left and then proceed to call someone a moron.

mlmpratte

There is data that points to voter fraud. In multiple locations. It is not my intention to point where or to provide links. I would not insult another by doing their research for them. However, if I found it, then so can you.

I also have heard and read the explanations regarding moving and thus being registered in multiple localities. I just don’t believe them againsts the data I’ve seen pointing otherwise.

I said actual votes in multiple counties and states, not just registrations.

My research, obviously has led me in a different direction than yours.

Therefore, respectfully I disagree

acknowledgeurma

You hypothesize, "There is data that points to voter fraud."
You also state that you have no intention of providing proof (or support) for your hypothesis (i.e., "It is not my intention to point where or to provide links").
You state your reason for not providing evidence for your hypothesis as a desire not to insult our intelligence.

I hypothesize that you have no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
In support of my hypothesis:
1) You present none.
2) The doubtful nature of your having evidence is suggested by the "if" in your statement, " if I found it, then so can you". If you had evidence, then why not say, "I found it, so can you"?

One wonders why you made your post?

A generous person might think you have heard or read about voter fraud, are worried, but haven't found enough evidence, and want to stimulate others to bring it forth.

A suspicious person might think you are a President Trump supporter who believes His assertion of widespread voter fraud, and is just expressing that belief (refusing any evidence to the contrary as fake).

An more suspicious person might think you a President Trump supporter who wants to provide distraction from less pleasant issues.

An even more suspicious person might think you a cynical person who knows there is no widespread voter fraud but promotes the idea to discredit opponents.

A paranoid knows you are a Russian who wants to discredit American democracy by casting doubt on the validity of our voting process, and thereby discredit democracy in general.

Remember, even paranoids may stumble on nefarious activities on occasion.

Morgan

Excellent...I'm clapping here

mlmpratte

Frankly, I am astonished at your many presumptions. Just astonishing how you attribute negative assumptions to those who disagree with you.

I did not provide links for only two reasons. First, do your own research. I did mine. Second, I was attempting to be courteous to you by not treating you like a child that has to be led to a point.

I only recently signed up with OPP with zero nefarious attitudes or reasons. I am a patriotic American woman... period. I love my country and family deeply. Those are my American bona fides.

Additionally, I’ve spent almost every day of the last 2 1/2 years studying and researching every political topic that was crucial, political candidates running and our political history from the last 5 administrations. I did this due to the critical nature of our last election.

Also from a profound desire to not be ignorant about these crucial topics.
That’s it.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Thank you for sharing your opinions.
A refusal to supply substantiating evidence is hearsay. Or in less legal terms, opinion.

mlmpratte

We are not in court where I am legally obligated to provide you with my evidence. Again, do you own research. I already have done mine to be able to form an substantiated fact based opinion.

I will not do your work for you, no matter how much you insult me.

Respectfully

acknowledgeurma

Let us look at some terms:

hypothesis
a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

presumption
1. an idea that is taken to be true, and often used as the basis for other ideas, although it is not known for certain.
...."underlying presumptions about human nature"
2. behavior perceived as arrogant, disrespectful, and transgressing the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.
...."he lifted her off the ground and she was enraged at his presumption"

Whereas, I thought I presented an hypothesis (that you have no evidence of widespread voter fraud) and presumptions in the first sense (taking my hypothesis to be true and making presumptions about the type of person who would have made your first post).

Your second post suggests that you have interpreted my post as presumptions in the second sense (judging by your astonishment, and your statement that "[I] attribute negative assumptions to those who disagree with [me]"). In it you also seem to want to provide evidence that you are a person, that a generous person (as I described) might think you to be. Let us analyse your evidence piece by peace. My commentary will be in parentheses.
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I did not provide links for only two reasons. First, do your own research. (With this imperative, you require the reader do some work. For one who loves work or loves being told what to do, this might be an encouragement to read on. For a lazy or rebellious one, this might generated resistance.)
I did mine. (This implies that you have information that you are unwilling to share an bespeaks an ungenerous nature. Even a generous person might be offended by such evidence of ungenerosity.)
Second, I was attempting to be courteous to you by not treating you like a child that has to be led to a point. (This is topsy-turvy understanding of the research abilities of people today. Today's children would probably be insulted if they were treated as googling in-adepts; elders would probably appreciate the help.)
I only recently signed up with OPP with zero nefarious attitudes or reasons. (Here you appeal for mercy based on your newbieness and good intentions. Did you not know, OPP is a pit of venomous vipers? (Just kidding folks.(He says but all know better.)))
I am a patriotic American woman (Are you appealing to some gentlemanly behavior; don't you know that many female avatars are pretended? )
... period. (This implies that you have nothing more to say and yet...)
I love my country and family deeply. (As do most, world wide.)
Those are my American bona fides. (Had to look that up,[bona fides - a person's honesty and sincerity of intention; informal: documentary evidence showing a person's legitimacy; credentials.] Does just stating one's honesty and sincerity of intention, constitute confirmation? Let me see some documentation.)
Additionally, I’ve spent almost every day of the last 2 1/2 years studying and researching every political topic that was crucial, political candidates running and our political history from the last 5 administrations. (And yet you are unwilling to share your research.)
I did this due to the critical nature of our last election. (Amen)
Also from a profound desire to not be ignorant about these crucial topics. (And again, Amen)
That’s it. (A generous person might think your evidence sufficient; A suspicious person might think your evidence lacking.)
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One might wonder why acknowledgeurma made this post?

A generous person might think acknowledgeurma has heard or read about voter fraud, is worried, but hasn't found enough evidence, and wants to stimulate others to bring it forth.

A suspicious person might think acknowledgeurma is a Hillary Clinton supporter who does not believe President Trump's assertion of widespread voter fraud, and is just expressing that belief (refusing any evidence to the contrary as fake).

An more suspicious person might think acknowledgeurma is a Hillary Clinton supporter who wants to provide distraction from less pleasant issues.

An even more suspicious person might think acknowledgeurma is a cynical person who knows there is widespread voter fraud but disparages the idea to discredit opponents.

A paranoid knows acknowledgeurma is a Russian who wants to discredit American democracy by hiding the corruption of our voting process, and thereby discredit democracy in general.

A poster on OPP (no adjective to characterize said poster) has suggested acknowledgeurma is a "congenial [sic] troll".

A realist understands that acknowledgeurma is a killer clown from outer space who seeks to inflict us with incapacitating laughter so that fellow clowns can beam in unopposed.)

The truth is out there.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

You are correct, we are not in court.
But OPP is a place to debate issues, which most of us enjoy doing by backing up our statements with sources such as articles or laws that are on either the Federal or State books. I find it a great way for us all to educate each other. Though I am a pretty liberal guy, I have learned a lot form fellow posters this way.

Many choose only to share their opinions, and that is perfectly fine.
And I thank you for doing so.

mlmpratte

I will remember that for my next posting. Again, I am a new poster

Respectfully

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Faugh! The Dems cheat each other. Am I supposed to assume they don't cheat their political enemies every chance they get?