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Mar 13, 2018 06:16:28   #
PeterS
 
4430 wrote:
So here's how the democrats view the Obama and Trump economies !

Obama's it was Bush's Fault

Trump's is was Obama that built it !

Par for the course with the left when it's bad blame others when it's good take full credit for it !


When Obama entered office it was during the greatest recession since the great depression. Trump has been in office a little over a year and the only thing's he done for the economy is pass a tax cut so how are we suppose to view the Obama/Trump economies? The highest month of jobs creation occurred under Obama in July of 2016 yet there isn't a conservative out there who didn't say that Obama was rigging the jobs numbers and even though Trump is using the very same methodology today as Obama somehow it's Trumps jobs numbers that are unbiased.

Now whether you will agree or not Obama was dealing with the economy that Bush left him (in other words, it was Bush's fault) and Trump was handed an economy that was stable and growing and had even produced the highest jobs numbers in over two decades. Now as I said before, Trump should be able to beat Obama's jobs numbers because he was handed a stable growing economy that was juiced by a 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut. It's virtually impossible for Trump to fail though for a man who went bust 4 times over I will never say never...

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Mar 13, 2018 10:03:05   #
son of witless
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Thank you for the explanation. You were referencing the article as an explanation of Clinton's loss to Trump. I think I was perplexed by "suffering under President Hillary" and "flourishing under President Trump". Now I understand that the suffering and flourishing were your literary touches and not something out of the article.

Ever since Bill Clinton won with his "It's the economy, stupid" slogan, people seem to believe that the state of the economy is the major (if not only) determiner of the presidential outcome. I think Bill Clinton won because of Ross Perot (and maybe Bush's "No new taxes"). I think Hillary Clinton lost because of the decades of calumny poured on her, but mostly because of Comey reopening the email investigation days before the election. Russian meddling may have had enough effect to nudge the election to Trump, since the vote was very close in a few key states.
Thank you for the explanation. You were referencin... (show quote)


I do not know, but I would guess that " Russian meddling " has always taken place. The left needs to explain their catastrophic loss to Donald J. Trump to their semi-suicidal voters. " Russian meddling " is what they came up with. Those " semi-suicidal voters " need to be kept from giving up on the political system and becoming non-voters. That is a very real danger. We on the right also have the eternal problem of keeping our voters engaged because we won. Once you win the coalition of former angry losers breaks up. The losers of the Presidential Election usually do well in the first midterm. I view it as a pendulum. Each party gets their opportunity to rise from the ashes.

That is why I do not see it as any great defeat when the party in power loses. Even if you are doing a super fantastic job, Americans get tired of you and elect the other party. Trump's and Bill Clinton's victories can be explained as really good timing. Clinton came in after 12 years of Reagan-Bush. Trump won after 8 years of Obama. If Hillary had pulled it out, likely she would have been a one term President. Republicans will have a hard time following Trump because it will once again be the Democrats turn.

Reagan's victory over a one term President Carter shows how badly Carter was doing, and the fact that Reagan really had 3 terms if you throw in Bush Sr's 4 years, shows how great a President Reagan really was.

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Mar 13, 2018 10:04:56   #
PRM2014
 
And it is your stupidity that is blatantly obvious!. Take a look at the economy jerk.
President Trump has the G D P up form 1% to 3%, Obama 1% Trump 3%, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You have very low grey matter, if you think Oblowhard done a better job than Trump. See you in the funney pa

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Mar 13, 2018 10:17:02   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
http://bipartisanreports.com/2018/03/11/trump-flies-into-weekend-meltdown-spews-approval-ratings-lies-like-a-failing-leader/


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
That's a doosey Loon? LOLOLOLOLOL

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Mar 13, 2018 10:23:14   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
When Obama entered office it was during the greatest recession since the great depression. Trump has been in office a little over a year and the only thing's he done for the economy is pass a tax cut so how are we suppose to view the Obama/Trump economies? The highest month of jobs creation occurred under Obama in July of 2016 yet there isn't a conservative out there who didn't say that Obama was rigging the jobs numbers and even though Trump is using the very same methodology today as Obama somehow it's Trumps jobs numbers that are unbiased.

Now whether you will agree or not Obama was dealing with the economy that Bush left him (in other words, it was Bush's fault) and Trump was handed an economy that was stable and growing and had even produced the highest jobs numbers in over two decades. Now as I said before, Trump should be able to beat Obama's jobs numbers because he was handed a stable growing economy that was juiced by a 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut. It's virtually impossible for Trump to fail though for a man who went bust 4 times over I will never say never...
When Obama entered office it was during the greate... (show quote)


You are right about the Elitist CFR Bushes screwing up the Republican Party. Herbert almost finished off the party. The Baby Bush's CFR administration really messed up the Middle East. He was like Jimmy Carter; he just took his marching orders from Dick Cheney and the gang.

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Mar 13, 2018 11:04:06   #
Hadenough
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Hey, I don't blame Bush; I blame Reagan and his "voodoo economics" (aka, supply side economics),
and Bush the Elder who bought into it,
and Clinton (and the DLC) who didn't object,
and Bush the Junior who went along,
and Obama who also went along.

I hoped Sanders would break that voodoo curse, but that was not to be.


So you prefer socialism, well everything isn’t free.

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Mar 13, 2018 11:26:51   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Damn you people are stupid! Fact Trump is riding Obama's coattails as far as the economy goes!

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/05/news/economy/trump-obama-jobs/index.html



4430 wrote:
So here's how the democrats view the Obama and Trump economies !

Obama's it was Bush's Fault

Trump's is was Obama that built it !

Par for the course with the left when it's bad blame others when it's good take full credit for it !



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Mar 13, 2018 11:38:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
son of witless wrote:
I do not know, but I would guess that " Russian meddling " has always taken place. The left needs to explain their catastrophic loss to Donald J. Trump to their semi-suicidal voters. " Russian meddling " is what they came up with. Those " semi-suicidal voters " need to be kept from giving up on the political system and becoming non-voters. That is a very real danger. We on the right also have the eternal problem of keeping our voters engaged because we won. Once you win the coalition of former angry losers breaks up. The losers of the Presidential Election usually do well in the first midterm. I view it as a pendulum. Each party gets their opportunity to rise from the ashes.

That is why I do not see it as any great defeat when the party in power loses. Even if you are doing a super fantastic job, Americans get tired of you and elect the other party. Trump's and Bill Clinton's victories can be explained as really good timing. Clinton came in after 12 years of Reagan-Bush. Trump won after 8 years of Obama. If Hillary had pulled it out, likely she would have been a one term President. Republicans will have a hard time following Trump because it will once again be the Democrats turn.

Reagan's victory over a one term President Carter shows how badly Carter was doing, and the fact that Reagan really had 3 terms if you throw in Bush Sr's 4 years, shows how great a President Reagan really was.
I do not know, but I would guess that " Russ... (show quote)


Who here has an idea how Carter got elected?
Who promoted the peanut farmer from Georgia?
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”.

Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior was a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council were (CFR) members. Bill Clinton was a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from; I quote -
TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )

In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”

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Mar 13, 2018 13:35:28   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Damn you people are stupid! Fact Trump is riding Obama's coattails as far as the economy goes!

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/05/news/economy/trump-obama-jobs/index.html



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Mar 13, 2018 17:26:23   #
acknowledgeurma
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You are right about the Elitist CFR Bushes screwing up the Republican Party. Herbert almost finished off the party. The Baby Bush's CFR administration really messed up the Middle East. He was like Jimmy Carter; he just took his marching orders from Dick Cheney and the gang.

I worry President Trump may be the death-rattle of the Republican Party, in its last throes after having fallen into the deathtrap LBJ set generations ago. (How's that for a conspiracy theory?)

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Mar 13, 2018 17:45:14   #
acknowledgeurma
 
PeterS wrote:
When Obama entered office it was during the greatest recession since the great depression. Trump has been in office a little over a year and the only thing's he done for the economy is pass a tax cut so how are we suppose to view the Obama/Trump economies? The highest month of jobs creation occurred under Obama in July of 2016 yet there isn't a conservative out there who didn't say that Obama was rigging the jobs numbers and even though Trump is using the very same methodology today as Obama somehow it's Trumps jobs numbers that are unbiased.

Now whether you will agree or not Obama was dealing with the economy that Bush left him (in other words, it was Bush's fault) and Trump was handed an economy that was stable and growing and had even produced the highest jobs numbers in over two decades. Now as I said before, Trump should be able to beat Obama's jobs numbers because he was handed a stable growing economy that was juiced by a 1.5 trillion dollar tax cut. It's virtually impossible for Trump to fail though for a man who went bust 4 times over I will never say never...
When Obama entered office it was during the greate... (show quote)

I think that just because the unemployment rate is so low it will be difficult for job growth to be higher in the years ahead. To clarify, imagine unemployment were 0%, then job growth would also be 0% because there would be no workers to fill new positions.

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Mar 13, 2018 18:41:10   #
acknowledgeurma
 
son of witless wrote:
I do not know, but I would guess that " Russian meddling " has always taken place. The left needs to explain their catastrophic loss to Donald J. Trump to their semi-suicidal voters. " Russian meddling " is what they came up with. Those " semi-suicidal voters " need to be kept from giving up on the political system and becoming non-voters. That is a very real danger. We on the right also have the eternal problem of keeping our voters engaged because we won. Once you win the coalition of former angry losers breaks up. The losers of the Presidential Election usually do well in the first midterm. I view it as a pendulum. Each party gets their opportunity to rise from the ashes.

That is why I do not see it as any great defeat when the party in power loses. Even if you are doing a super fantastic job, Americans get tired of you and elect the other party. Trump's and Bill Clinton's victories can be explained as really good timing. Clinton came in after 12 years of Reagan-Bush. Trump won after 8 years of Obama. If Hillary had pulled it out, likely she would have been a one term President. Republicans will have a hard time following Trump because it will once again be the Democrats turn.

Reagan's victory over a one term President Carter shows how badly Carter was doing, and the fact that Reagan really had 3 terms if you throw in Bush Sr's 4 years, shows how great a President Reagan really was.
I do not know, but I would guess that " Russ... (show quote)

I think your analysis is very close to the mark. However, I don't think Clinton voters were semi-suicidal, I think they were mostly shocked, frightened, and angered. And the "Russian meddling" was latched on to because it was more sensational and sexier than Comey's meddling. And as I have said before, I think presidential greatness is determined by luck. Carter had bad luck with the embassy takeover; Reagan had good luck with the exhaustion of the Russian economy and the coming of Gorbachev. Reagan had the good character to recognize that good fortune.

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Mar 13, 2018 18:44:46   #
acknowledgeurma
 
PRM2014 wrote:
And it is your stupidity that is blatantly obvious!. Take a look at the economy jerk.
President Trump has the G D P up form 1% to 3%, Obama 1% Trump 3%, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You have very low grey matter, if you think Oblowhard done a better job than Trump. See you in the funney pa

It would help to discern whose stupidity is so obvious, if you had used the Quote Reply button.

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Mar 13, 2018 18:50:25   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Hadenough wrote:
So you prefer socialism, well everything isn’t free.

Only on even days. I don't see how your "well everything isn’t free" relates to socialism, so I'll just say, perhaps it should be. AI AI Oh!

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Mar 13, 2018 18:53:09   #
acknowledgeurma
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Who here has an idea how Carter got elected?
Who promoted the peanut farmer from Georgia?
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”.

Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior was a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council were (CFR) members. Bill Clinton was a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from; I quote -
TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )

In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”
Who here has an idea how Carter got elected? br Wh... (show quote)

Hmm
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-director/

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