Why do conservatives believe liberals want to ban all guns?
Mar 7, 2018 19:15:00 #
I am sorry but I must disagree. If you wish to define night as day or left as right you are quite with in your rights to do. But in the broader context of established definition past liberals are not today's conservatives and today's democrats are not liberals…necessarily. Today’s democrats are more progressive than liberal and allowing anyone bastardize the word liberal is a big part of the problem!
Liberalism (and Liberal) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views and program such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment opposing the prevailing social and political norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy and the divine right of kings. John Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract.
The Progressive Movement began as a social movement in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and grew into a political movement, Progressives were well educated city dwellers who believed that the problems facing the nation were such that only through government intervention could they be solved. They believe in the power of government to do good and were influenced somewhat by Marxist dogma. These policies morphed over time but usually involve some form of government intervention in business, healthcare, education and to varing degrees all aspects of society. Ultimately there belief would be better described as socialist rather than Marxist but even that doesn’t always hold true.
Liberal is not the same as Marxist which is not the same as Progressive which not the same as Socialist which is not the same as Communist which is not the same as Marxist. Liberals can be conservative and Conservatives can be Marxists. Don’t confuse political Ideology with social or economic ideology
Liberalism (and Liberal) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views and program such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment opposing the prevailing social and political norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy and the divine right of kings. John Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract.
The Progressive Movement began as a social movement in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and grew into a political movement, Progressives were well educated city dwellers who believed that the problems facing the nation were such that only through government intervention could they be solved. They believe in the power of government to do good and were influenced somewhat by Marxist dogma. These policies morphed over time but usually involve some form of government intervention in business, healthcare, education and to varing degrees all aspects of society. Ultimately there belief would be better described as socialist rather than Marxist but even that doesn’t always hold true.
Liberal is not the same as Marxist which is not the same as Progressive which not the same as Socialist which is not the same as Communist which is not the same as Marxist. Liberals can be conservative and Conservatives can be Marxists. Don’t confuse political Ideology with social or economic ideology
Mar 7, 2018 19:41:53 #
As to gun control, I have a right to keep and bear arms. I don’t need a reason or an explanation as to why I choose to keep firearms. There is no justification for the second amendment required. It is an individual right and that’s it. Those who are opposed to guns at times make some compelling and cogent arguments in support of their point of view. There has been some statistical research demonstrating severely restricting or banning guns could indeed reduce some violent crimes. But none of that changes the fact that the right to keep and bear arms is not subject to legislation or compelling research or sincere social movements or heartfelt tears or divisive name calling. I can only be overturned by a constitutional amendment, which is process available to all citizens. Find enough kindred spirits to create an amendment and place it into the constitution and I will comply. If not, stop complaining about gun control. Most research has shown the limited measures acceptable within the framework of the second amendment will not have much of an impact
Mar 7, 2018 20:00:27 #
politediscourse wrote:
As to gun control, I have a right to keep and bear... (show quote)
There are those here whose emotions rule over logic, ignorance shouldn't be seen as emotion but it's here.
Mar 7, 2018 20:11:25 #
Mar 7, 2018 20:38:12 #
politediscourse wrote:
I am sorry but I must disagree. If you wish to de... (show quote)
Hello and welcome to the political forum, it's great to have new arrivals with critical thinking skills.
I started on this forum with 4inch thick skin and regardless of the assault from the left, refused to return in the same. For a period of time they did finally get under my skin, but given some thought realized this forum does in fact have paid trolls since have returned to being unwilling to trade insults. Sadly I can only name on one hand, the number of "liberals" that engage honestly.
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Mar 7, 2018 20:45:50 #
politediscourse wrote:
As to gun control, I have a right to keep and bear... (show quote)
Overwhelming empirical evidence will show that cities in the United States with the strictest gun control and or gun free zones have the highest gun related crimes. The reverse is true with cities encouraging gun ownership. A quick look in a search engine will provide mountains of evidence.
Also I posted quotes from our founding fathers that 100% clearly state their wish and intent, that every American have arms in order to keep our government in check. Armed with the quotes, it becomes impossible to argue a different interpretation of the constitution
Mar 7, 2018 21:54:16 #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Hello and welcome to the political forum, it's gre... (show quote)
Thank you for your kind welcome. I may disagree with what you say, but you will never see me assailing your character and I will ignore it if someone assails mine. I recall when a member of the press once felt they had Condelezza Rice backed into a corner over the fact she was adamant supporter of abortion and President Bushes was staunchly opposed to it. She was asked how she could possibly work for someone whose views were so diametrically opposed to hers. Without losing a step she replied "Young man, reasonable people can disagree". The reporter was left speechless, apparently unaware of the possibility of something called reasonable discourse and debate. In our country political parties have become so polarized that both Obama now and Bush before him were reduced to daemonic demons intent upon the total annihilation of the USA. I have heard Bush I, Clinton and W speak at conventions after their terms. It was apparent that despite their different beliefs they were just men overwhelmed by the jobs they had won, who despite their limitations tried to do the best they could for the country. In England the party out of power is referred to as the loyal opposition whose duty it is to insure the ruling party doesn't stray too far from the principles of the nation. It is only my opinion but perhaps we could do better spending a little more time discovering what in the opposition parties ideas might be worth a try and spending less time dismissing all there ideas as worthless, discovering new insulting names to call them and creating horrific conspiracies to accuse them of. In this both sides are equally culpable and therefore equally responsible for the terrible stagnation we find ourselves mired down in.
And then again maybe not.
Mar 8, 2018 00:49:11 #
Bad Bob wrote:
The U.S. military is on our side; the Americans. Not on the side of wacko fascist morons.
The progressives got in cahoots with the fascists and then got all the liberals, socialists, communists and globalists to throw in with them in backing a movement to disarm the American public. It's easy to push around an unarmed citizen when the state own the only arms. People, take off your blinders! The politicians want a docile, defenseless and heavily taxed public!
Mar 8, 2018 02:00:30 #
kcstargoat wrote:
Ha! Well it seems that you got most of them covered here with just a few execptions. So based on whose left it must be the progressives in cahoots with the liberals, socialists, communists and globalists that are backing the movement to force the republican democrats with a decidedly conservative bent to disarm the docile heavily taxed Marxist American Public. One can only pray there is no outside intervention by the Sandinista's or worse yet the Trotskyites teamed up with the downtrodden but utopian Mensheviks - all praise to Allah?.The progressives got in cahoots with the fascists and then got all the liberals, socialists, communists and globalists to throw in with them in backing a movement to disarm the American public. It's easy to push around an unarmed citizen when the state own the only arms. People, take off your blinders! The politicians want a docile, defenseless and heavily taxed public!
Mar 8, 2018 07:10:56 #
politediscourse wrote:
I am sorry but I must disagree. If you wish to de... (show quote)
The term "liberal" has a MUCH different meaning now than it used to.
You have to put the word "classical" in front of it to get the true meaning from it's beginnings.
Classical Liberalism
Classical liberalism is a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government. It developed in 18th-century Europe and drew on the economic writings of Adam Smith and the growing notion of social progress. Liberalism was also influenced by the writings of Thomas Hobbes, who argued that governments exist to protect individuals from each other. In 19th- and 20th-century America, the values of classical liberalism became dominant in both major political parties. The term is sometimes used broadly to refer to all forms of liberalism prior to the 20th century. Conservatives and libertarians often invoke classical liberalism to mean a fundamental belief in minimal government.
Mar 8, 2018 08:34:29 #
Mar 8, 2018 09:26:42 #
jack , There is only one real reason why conservatives believe that liberals want to take their guns away. It's because the NRA tells them so. Their solution to the mass killings taking place in our country is to sell more guns. Arming teachers, which is the silliest thing I ever heard, is the NRAs answer to the maniacs killing children and other innocents in AR15 massacres. How about a fix that will work like making assault rifles illegal for civilian purchase.
jack sequim wa wrote:
Why do conservatives think liberals want to ban al... (show quote)
Mar 8, 2018 09:44:58 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
jack , There is only one real reason why conservatives believe that liberals want to take their guns away. It's because the NRA tells them so. Their solution to the mass killings taking place in our country is to sell more guns. Arming teachers, which is the silliest thing I ever heard, is the NRAs answer to the maniacs killing children and other innocents in AR15 massacres. How about a fix that will work like making assault rifles illegal for civilian purchase.
Assault rifles are illegal to purchase, if you want one you have to pay a $300 tax stamp, pass a highly scrutinized background check, and then shell out $15,000-$30,000 for the weapon of choice. I might add , it takes 3,6 mos or more for approval. Get your facts straight or go spread your BS somewhere else.
Mar 8, 2018 10:39:28 #
jack sequim wa wrote:
I had no idea a machine gun existed of that type design. I'm sure our founding fathers knew about it.
Yeah, and if they know there were liberals I bet they would have shipped them back as well, then you would have been born somewhere else. A nice thought.
Mar 9, 2018 07:46:28 #
snowbear37 wrote:
You have to remember that the founding fathers als... (show quote)
At this point in time, your guns are moot to the strength and power of the US government as i said before, which is why who we vote for is crucial to the sanctity of our government. Yes absolute power does corrupt, especially when only one party is having the say, but that is what has happened.
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