oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

A couple of lawyers have decided the Florida children are being more logical about doing away with guns. Of course, CNN and all their lefty friends have tried to tell us that those kids between were being more logical than those of us who can vote legally. Yep, these two clowns are asking that we lower the voting age because those kids reason like the two clowns. Leaners shouldn't even try to read this one since Michelle Malkin wrote it.


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PeterS

No, you better stop the children because if you don't they will shame the country into taking away your pretend assault rifles...

GinnyA25

Why can't the children lead the gun debate, as they are so ably doing? The so-called adults seem to have lost their way a long time ago, and don't appear to be anywhere near reclaiming the subject any time soon.

The false narrative being pushed by conservatives is that if one does not believe civilians should have access to assault weapons, then they don't support the second amendment. That is a blatant lie, and an excuse for the greedy, immoral NRA to sell guns to anyone who wants them.

PeterS

Well, it's because they are so capable that conservatives don't want them near a microphone. Did you see how fast Rubio melted in the face of their argument! And welcome to the board, always nice to have a fresh voice...

Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face

For the same reasons they don't vote or are unable to own a firearm. By the way, the NRA doesn't sell guns, they are 5 million law-abiding members of the U.S. another point, children, like women, are emotional creatures, Fact. Not always a good thing.

GinnyA25

Yes, it is difficult to ignore the clear, unconditioned voices of children and not be affected. They are as yet pure and unbiased. They lack the cynical viewpoints adults develop over time.

And thanks for the kind welcome. Mostly I get called names, and no substantive responses in forums such as this. I'm glad you're here.

GinnyA25

It would be different if you could claim guns are never miss-used in the hands of adults, but sense most gun violence is committed by adults, they are even less qualified to address the issue than children.

Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines

You need to review your narrative. The NRA does not sell to anyone who wants them. Florida needs to review their laws and probably raise the age for gun ownership to 21 years of age. Most 18 year olders are still peeing on the toilet seat and pushing their toys under the bed. When new recruits go to basic training they all get the same kind of training and a few individuals who are not suitable for service are removed from training for a lack of mental capacity.

plainlogic

The biases come from listening to manipulating adults, adults who have lost common sense and reason. Children are so easily manipulated, maybe that's why the liberals would like 16yr olds able to vote.

bylm1-Bernie

I think a better word for the children would be "naive". Some adults are naive as well, as we have seen, are are very quick to seize on the emotion of the moment and ignore the real problem. The real effects of removing any type of guns is that we would be removing them from the hands of law-abiding citizens while doing nothing to keep them away from the real offenders. It may sound good but if you study the true effects if similar laws, without listening to the MSM and the leftists, you will learn that those previously enacted laws in other countries, as well as our own, have very little effect, if not negative effect, on the real problem. People who don't care to obey the law will not be affected and will continue to obtain whatever they want.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Allow me to quote Michelle; firstly: "This is not compassion, but abdication. America is not a juvenilocracy. It is a constitutional republic." In other words, the grown-ups are in charge, whether these kids and their lawyer friends like it or not. She goes on: "Pubescents are fueled by hormones and dopamine and pizza and Sonic shakes. They’re fickle and fragile and fierce and forgetful. They hate you. They love you. They need you. They ignore you. They know everything. They know nothing. All in the span of 10 seconds." Those seem like some pretty good reasons not to let the children 'lead the debate', because they're not stable yet!


The so-called adults, as you put it, are having trouble getting a word in edgeways with the cacophony emanating from the likes of CNN on the subject. "BAN THE GUNS!" "BAN THE GUNS!" "Listen to the kids! BAN THE GUNS!" This is their dream come true. The so-called adults are letting the children and and even more juvenile media hacks scream their lungs out for a while and when they're done and all tuckered out, maybe the so-called adults will be able to make some progress at pinpointing the causes of these tragedies and do something 'common-sensical' to make sure it can't happen again. While your adolescent stooges are being paraded in this ratings feast, the so-called adults are gathering facts and collecting evidence to support what hopefully will be a reasonable conclusion.


It's not about supporting or not supporting the second amendment. If you do not support the second amendment, you do not support the law of the land. Go get it changed. It's that simple. No, it's about understanding the second amendment and comprehending why it is written the way it is. Ask any of these kids running to Tallahassee and Washington what the second amendment is meant to accomplish and they'll mumble something about 'hunting' or, if they're even partially aware of their world, 'self-defense'. Well, as the great man once said: "Bzzzzzt! Incorrect! Put this 'Dunce' hat on and go sit in the corner, junior."

The second amendment is intended to provide a first line of defense against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It's a so-called adult thing. It asserts the right of the general populace to arm themselves and act in their own defense whether individually (self-defense) or as a group (militia), and to maintain and 'bear' (literally, carry) those arms at will. The second amendment is the peoples' admonition to their government to lay off the disarmament ideas. "Shall not be infringed". In other words, don't even go there, because the second amendment is there to back up the first.



Now that we've 'put paid to the lie', let's inquire how many guns the NRA sells over, say, a year. Any guesses? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? Answer: None of the above. The NRA has, does, and will sell zero guns. Ever. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Not a one. Ever. The NRA is not in the business of selling guns of any shape, style or function. What the NRA is, it's America’s longest-standing civil rights organization. That's right, they're even older than the hallowed ACLU. Founded in 1871, the group has informed its members about firearm-related legislative bills since 1934, and it has directly lobbied for and against legislation on the State and Federal levels since 1975.

There's a good reason why certain politicians hate the NRA so much: The NRA publicly grades members of Congress from A to F on their perceived friendliness to gun rights. Those ratings can have a serious effect on poll numbers and even cost pro-gun control candidates their seat in Congress. What is the source of this power? Millions of members with billions of dollars. Members who are paying attention. They're informed about the topics that are important to them, they pay their membership dues and they vote. So remember, when you say 'the NRA', you're talking about a very large chunk of Americans, not some rag-tag group sitting in Mom's basement grousing about the stingy welfare check they live off, or some group of school kids who were recently scared witless by a maniac with a gun in their midst. Back up, take a breath, put the emotions down and then consider the proposition in a calm, reasonable manner.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

You're kidding right? Who do you think has been leading the gun debate ( although "debate" is a misnomer ) all this time? Adults with superior reasoning powers, able to suppress emotional responses to facilitate clear, logical and practical debate?

We are STILL listening to ridiculous alarmists statements ( Trump being the latest ) that Democrats or Liberals are "going to take your guns away" and/or "going to take the 2nd amendment away". Modifying the Constitution requires a 2/3 vote in the House and Senate AND ratification by 2/3 of the States, so this argument is a fantasy. There are over 250,000,000 guns in America, so a confiscation program is doomed to failure no matter how assiduously it is pursued. You know as well as I do, that even normally law abiding citizens..............would ignore such a stupid law as banning firearms out right, hide their weapons, or load up and dare someone to try taking them. That means the other statement is ridiculous, pure fantasy, but apparently..............lawful gun owners like being scared...............and it is a damn brilliant marketing scheme by the NRA and politicians wanting their money and your vote.

That being said, our history shows us the way, not ads, not rhetoric, just plain old history. Prove to all of us that you are capable of superior logic over these kids, by doing some for realz research yourself; Look at when the assault weapon ban ended and count the number of mass shootings using such since then, compared to before then. Look at when extended capacity magazines hit the market and do the same comparison. Go ahead................I'll wait.

Lonewolf

And the government knows the name and address of every member


quote=2wheeljunkie]For the same reasons they don't vote or are unable to own a firearm. By the way, the NRA doesn't sell guns, they are 5 million law-abiding members of the U.S. another point, children, like women, are emotional creatures, Fact. Not always a good thing.[/quote]

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Do you really want a bunch of immature people who eat laundry soap, and don't know which restroom to use leading anything in this country?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Getting back to the basics, why is this termed a 'gun' debate? Who made this about 'guns'? Why is this not about 'people', or more accurately, 'unstable people'? Who did the killing here, the gun or the maniac squeezing the trigger? If it was the gun, then this is properly deemed a 'gun' debate. I would be very interested in seeing a gun that activates itself. If it was the person holding the gun, then this is misrepresented as a 'gun' debate and should be re-labeled as an 'unstable people' debate.

So, which is it? Is it guns or people?