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Feb 16, 2014 01:26:47   #
rumitoid
 
Before we answer if America is a Christian Nation, isn't it at least as vital to determine what comprises the actions and governance of a Christian Nation? Or rephrased, what was most vital to Christ and, of course, Salvation.

One thing answers both: care for the least of these. End of story. Eternal judgment and earthly purpose rests on one and only one thing: care for the least of these.

It does not seem obvious from this understanding that the Constitution, and other Founding documents, either support or are ambiguous about care for the least of these by government; both here and abroad. There is no need to get into the stark fact that the Founding Fathers and associated cohorts had no intention of honoring the Declaration of Independence; just a document to make them look good at the time and perhaps--far, far in the future--something to revisit a hundred or so years from then, maybe getting a good laugh centuries later at the thought of women's equality or a slave being free.

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Feb 16, 2014 01:33:08   #
PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.
 
rumitoid wrote:
Before we answer if America is a Christian Nation, isn't it at least as vital to determine what comprises the actions and governance of a Christian Nation? Or rephrased, what was most vital to Christ and, of course, Salvation.

One thing answers both: care for the least of these. End of story. Eternal judgment and earthly purpose rests on one and only one thing: care for the least of these.

It does not seem obvious from this understanding that the Constitution, and other Founding documents, either support or are ambiguous about care for the least of these by government; both here and abroad. There is no need to get into the stark fact that the Founding Fathers and associated cohorts had no intention of honoring the Declaration of Independence; just a document to make them look good at the time and perhaps--far, far in the future--something to revisit a hundred or so years from then, maybe getting a good laugh centuries later at the thought of women's equality or a slave being free.
Before we answer if America is a Christian Nation,... (show quote)


not a christian nation, that would be hypocritical of the base this country was built on.
never was a christian nation, just had a lot of Christianity molded in it. though it did do this country very well by it.

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Feb 16, 2014 01:54:05   #
rumitoid
 
or believepeope have to get is str8.
PhilosophyMan wrote:
not a christian nation, that would be hypocritical of the base this country was built on.
never was a christian nation, just had a lot of Christianity molded in it. though it did do this country very well by it.


That is the point, PM: a hundred million or so people have a definitive choice: America or Christianity... but either can't see a choice or believe there is no need for a choice...and that may well be an acid at our foundations.

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Feb 16, 2014 01:56:59   #
PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.
 
rumitoid wrote:
or believepeope have to get is str8.

That is the point, PM: a hundred million or so people have a definitive choice: America or Christianity... but either can't see a choice or believe there is no need for a choice...and that may well be an acid at our foundations.


ah I see. thank you.

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Feb 16, 2014 02:30:08   #
rumitoid
 
PhilosophyMan wrote:
ah I see. thank you.


Sounded too pompous but there is a niggling element of truth...or indigestion. Or one of those enterprising parasites? Hard to say?

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Feb 16, 2014 07:39:59   #
taz
 
SCOTUS determined that the US is a Christian country.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/TrinityHistory.htm

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Feb 16, 2014 10:30:42   #
Kevyn
 
If you look around the world many if not most of our troubles come as a result of the influance of fundamentalist relegion. Be it fundamentalist Muslims in the middle and far east, Ultra Orthadox Jews in Israel, or fundamentalist Christians around the world their world views are very similar to those of their percieved enemys. They all consider their holy book is the literal word of God, people who believe otherwise are subhuman infidels and blasphemers not worthy of consideration in society, and the law should be based on the teachings of the holy book. Reason, science and other philosophies are rejected violently. People of this lot should be accepted at the fringe of any society but they should never play a roll in making the rules for the rest of us. Isn't it much better to have people who are working to improve the lives of people in this lifetime in leadership positions instead of people who are convinced that better conditions are only available in the afterlife?

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Feb 16, 2014 11:06:22   #
taz
 
Kevyn wrote:
If you look around the world many if not most of our troubles come as a result of the influance of fundamentalist relegion. Be it fundamentalist Muslims in the middle and far east, Ultra Orthadox Jews in Israel, or fundamentalist Christians around the world their world views are very similar to those of their percieved enemys. They all consider their holy book is the literal word of God, people who believe otherwise are subhuman infidels and blasphemers not worthy of consideration in society, and the law should be based on the teachings of the holy book. Reason, science and other philosophies are rejected violently. People of this lot should be accepted at the fringe of any society but they should never play a roll in making the rules for the rest of us. Isn't it much better to have people who are working to improve the lives of people in this lifetime in leadership positions instead of people who are convinced that better conditions are only available in the afterlife?
If you look around the world many if not most of o... (show quote)


I bet you voted for Obama. :lol:

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Feb 16, 2014 14:22:16   #
catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California
 
Kevyn wrote:
If you look around the world many if not most of our troubles come as a result of the influance of fundamentalist relegion. Be it fundamentalist Muslims in the middle and far east, Ultra Orthadox Jews in Israel, or fundamentalist Christians around the world their world views are very similar to those of their percieved enemys. They all consider their holy book is the literal word of God, people who believe otherwise are subhuman infidels and blasphemers not worthy of consideration in society, and the law should be based on the teachings of the holy book. Reason, science and other philosophies are rejected violently. People of this lot should be accepted at the fringe of any society but they should never play a roll in making the rules for the rest of us. Isn't it much better to have people who are working to improve the lives of people in this lifetime in leadership positions instead of people who are convinced that better conditions are only available in the afterlife?
If you look around the world many if not most of o... (show quote)




:thumbup:

Every major religion, even ancient ones, have a God or goddesses modeled with human traits. And each has a God who will kill people if He gets pissed off. And also mandates killing people as obediance to Him.
Which makes me wonder: did God create us in His image, or did we create God in ours?

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Feb 16, 2014 14:30:07   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
rumitoid wrote:
Before we answer if America is a Christian Nation, isn't it at least as vital to determine what comprises the actions and governance of a Christian Nation? Or rephrased, what was most vital to Christ and, of course, Salvation.

One thing answers both: care for the least of these. End of story. Eternal judgment and earthly purpose rests on one and only one thing: care for the least of these.

It does not seem obvious from this understanding that the Constitution, and other Founding documents, either support or are ambiguous about care for the least of these by government; both here and abroad. There is no need to get into the stark fact that the Founding Fathers and associated cohorts had no intention of honoring the Declaration of Independence; just a document to make them look good at the time and perhaps--far, far in the future--something to revisit a hundred or so years from then, maybe getting a good laugh centuries later at the thought of women's equality or a slave being free.
Before we answer if America is a Christian Nation,... (show quote)


So you don't agree with those of us who think the Constitution was written to protect the people from government? I have always believed that was the purpose for the document and you seem not to think it was aimed at protecting the least of these by keeping charlatans from taking over in dictatorial methods.

Your post was really good until the last two sentences and then it fell apart.

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Feb 16, 2014 14:35:08   #
catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California
 
PhilosophyMan wrote:
not a christian nation, that would be hypocritical of the base this country was built on.
never was a christian nation, just had a lot of Christianity molded in it. though it did do this country very well by it.


As I recall, the Constitution says Congress will make no law the abridges religion, not allow it. Nothing in the document that says we are Christian, or anything else.

We like to think the Constitution is a masterpiece of government by great minds. Actually, it is a masterpiece of compromise.
The Founding Fathers did have the genius to make the Constitution flexible for change, which is why it has lasted so long. What those changes should be can be a free for all slugfest--even give cause for civil war.

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Feb 16, 2014 15:51:59   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
catpaw wrote:
As I recall, the Constitution says Congress will make no law the abridges religion, not allow it. Nothing in the document that says we are Christian, or anything else.

We like to think the Constitution is a masterpiece of government by great minds. Actually, it is a masterpiece of compromise.
The Founding Fathers did have the genius to make the Constitution flexible for change, which is why it has lasted so long. What those changes should be can be a free for all slugfest--even give cause for civil war.
As I recall, the Constitution says Congress will m... (show quote)


Where do you find the words about us not being a Christian nation? I haven't read that part in the many times of reading the document.

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Feb 16, 2014 16:40:28   #
taz
 
oldroy wrote:
Where do you find the words about us not being a Christian nation? I haven't read that part in the many times of reading the document.


God is referenced in many of the state constitutions directly.

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Feb 16, 2014 17:35:49   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
taz wrote:
God is referenced in many of the state constitutions directly.


I don't read any of those constitutions but have read THE Constitution so many times.

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Feb 17, 2014 09:52:28   #
Cool Breeze
 
taz wrote:
SCOTUS determined that the US is a Christian country.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/TrinityHistory.htm


:roll: It doesn't matter what SCOTUS has determined! The US in not a Christian Country period! http://www.alternet.org/story/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation/

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