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Feb 9, 2018 11:53:50   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Let's see who should an intelligent believe an inbred such as yourself or NASA???????????????????????????

Evidence of global warming!

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/



EconomistDon wrote:
OMG Rayban, you and the fools who wrote that article are so confused you don't know what you are talking about. Here are two points to consider, as simply and bluntly as I can put it.

1. YES, the vast majority of scientists agree that climate change is real. Yes it is happening just as it has happened for millions of years. But THAT is not the point!

2. Man and CO2 have nothing to do with it. NOBODY has ever proved that man and CO2 have anything to do with it. Scientists can agree all they want that warming is occurring, but that alone is not proof that man and CO2 are involved.

Your article talks about how scientific opinion has changed since the original petition was signed in 1998-99. I'll tell you how scientific opinion has changed. Since the peak in temperatures in 1998, temperatures have gone sideways. That's nearly 20 years of nearly no change in temperature, despite continued increases in CO2 levels. Whoa partner, how can that be if higher CO2 drives higher temperatures? Well, the majority of REAL scientists are realizing that the true source of climate change is the SUN. OMG, the SUN drives temperatures on earth? Well who da thunk? Turns out, changes in solar activity trends tightly with trends in global temperatures. For example the Maunder minimum and the Dalton minimum in solar activity were directly responsible for the Little Ice Age that lasted from 1350 to about 1750. More recently, the short-term solar cycle has been in decline since 2000, conforming with the stable temperatures since 1998.

Problem for alarmists -- there is NO MONEY in admitting that the sun is the source of global warming. So they can't admit it. They must continue their bogus claim that CO2 is the source to continue getting federal money.

So Rayban, I leave you with a repeat bit of advice. Give it up! We now have a far more intelligent President in the White House who will not sucker for the greedy alarmists who stop at nothing to get federal money. We will not continue to destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs to support bogus science. And we will not hand hundreds of millions of dollars to other countries in support of a bogus climate agreement.
OMG Rayban, you and the fools who wrote that artic... (show quote)



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Feb 9, 2018 12:06:55   #
trucksterbud
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Let's see who should an intelligent believe and inbred such as yourself or NASA???????????????????????????

Evidence of global warming!

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/


No intelligent data from NASA Raylan. Did you and them factor in the geoengineering chemtrails to all this and how that factor has contributed to the "Global Warming Hype..."?????? No evidence from that link to REAL global warming. In fact, the earth has cooled 2 deg celcius in 25,000 years... Ooops, hate to fracture your liberal left wing derangement....

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Feb 9, 2018 12:07:57   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
OMG. Can liberals not read and interpolate a simple chart which indicates only eight tenths of a degree rise in temperature since 1880.

Ah, What was I thinking. This is a prime opportunity to start up a new sun screen product. What should I call it? "Chicken Little?"

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Feb 9, 2018 12:21:54   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Lets see who should I believe an inbred such as yourself or NASA????????????????????????

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/



trucksterbud wrote:
No intelligent data from NASA Raylan. Did you and them factor in the geoengineering chemtrails to all this and how that factor has contributed to the "Global Warming Hype..."?????? No evidence from that link to REAL global warming. In fact, the earth has cooled 2 deg celcius in 25,000 years... Ooops, hate to fracture your liberal left wing derangement....



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Feb 9, 2018 12:31:28   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Who should I believe an inbred or NASA!

NASA: Scientific Consensus: Earth's climate is warming!

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/



ghostgotcha wrote:
OMG. Can liberals not read and interpolate a simple chart which indicates only eight tenths of a degree rise in temperature since 1880.

Ah, What was I thinking. This is a prime opportunity to start up a new sun screen product. What should I call it? "Chicken Little?"


https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/



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Feb 9, 2018 15:07:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
And if not for a consensus John Dalton would still be sitting on his theory waiting for it to hatch as would Darwin, Einstein, Curie, and on down the list. Science cannot move without a consensus of scientists to support it. This is why no matter how hard you guys (Christian Conservatives) huff and puff you can't knock down the theory of evolution because there is too vast of a consensus of scientists who support it. And while you cons have done a magnificent job of muddying the waters surrounding global warming there still exists a number of scientists well in excess of a plurality to form a consensus that global warming is real and man the most likely reason for the speed at which it is accelerating. No nice try Blade but the Ayes have it and a consensus means' you are wrong....
And if not for a consensus John Dalton would still... (show quote)
Before you set yourself up as an authority on the history of science and scientific research, maybe you should study the subject. Find some sources that haven't undergone political revisionism, sources in which the theories and research has not been politicized.

The discovery of the atom and its sub-particles and the work that led scientists and engineers to developing the atomic piles, the reactors, and the bombs was in no way the result of consensus, it was long and arduous independent research and experiments by scientists all over the world--in Britain, France, Germany, Austria, Poland, Canada and USA. These scientists, primarily physicists and chemists, took the premises of Dalton's atomic theories and developed their own hypotheses, engineered their own unique experiments--including building their own apparatus, soldering circuits, manufacturing test equipment and containment units, even did their own precision glass blowing. In some cases, scientists worked in teams of two or three to approach a problem. And, although these scientists shared the results of successful experiments with others--mostly through publications and letters, they did not all get together and come to a consensus.

I guess the best way to explain this is, a group of scientists can get together and come to a consensus on a hypothesis, but they have no control over the results. They agree on a hypothesis, set up and conduct the experiment, and then let the process lead them where it goes. The experiment either proved the hypothesis or it didn't. There was no scientific consensus on the outcome.

The best example is the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos. Many of the brightest scientific minds in the world, including Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Edward Teller and Hans Bethe, were assembled there under the authority of the US Army, commanded by General Groves. Groves demanded the research teams be isolated, under heavy security, and compartmentalized, each team of scientists and engineers had a specific problem to solve. Even the explosives and gunnery engineers were separated from all other elements of the project. Oppenheimer finally convinced Groves that free discussion was necessary. These meetings (free discussions) did not result in any scientific conclusions, the scientists merely came to an agreement on how best to approach a specific problem, how to best frame a hypothesis that would lead to a positive result. IOW, the "consensus" came before the outcome.

And, it is interesting to note that, once the first atomic bomb was assembled on the tower at Alamagordo, and the countdown had begun, there was no consensus among the scientists and engineers on the outcome. They were even making bets on what would happen when the bomb detonated--some said it would probably fizzle, others thought it would create a chain reaction in the atmosphere. None of them were 100% convinced the thing would work.

The scientific method does not allow for a preconceived result, it does not assume that any hypothesis is proven before the experiment has proven that the observations and data are valid. Put simply you ask a question, do the background research, construct a hypothesis, then test with an experiment. If the procedure is not working, you troubleshoot the procedure, carefully check all stages and set-up, and run it again. If the procedure is works, you analyze the resulting data and draw conclusions. If the results align with or prove the hypothesis, you publish the results. If the results align only partially or fail to prove the hypothesis, you go back to the beginning, check the data and background research, ask a new question, construct a new hypothesis, reset the experiment and try again.

The Anthropogenic Global Warming alarmists did not do this.

The Anthropogenic Global Warming alarmists concluded that global warming is a fact and that mankind is the cause, so they reverse engineered the entire thing. The bulk of their work relied on computer models into which they fed selected observations and data in hopes of a positive confirmation that mankind was f*cking up the atmosphere and destroying the planet. They manipulated their data, tweaked their observations, altered their computer program and modeled it so it would prove their hypothesis. The common term for this sort of subterfuge is called JUNK SCIENCE.

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Feb 9, 2018 15:08:21   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Who should I believe an inbred or NASA!
You should believe whatever the hell you want to believe, NASA or the tooth fairy, makes no difference.

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Feb 9, 2018 15:13:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
trucksterbud wrote:
When are you ever gonna get a clue Raylan...?? The discrepancies in your post are glaring at the onset. Your title says "97% of Scientists believe humans are causing global warming." But wait, the title to the article says "97% of Scientists believe humans may contribute to global warming.." How did you miss that....?? Suffer from hoof in mouth syndrome about now...???

So which is it - O' enlightened one...?? O' Anointed one..... Just because you post it, and it falls in line with your liberal left wing derangement.....do you think we're all supposed to fall off our chairs in fright...??

Did you ever watch the videos detailing how one volcanic eruption spews forth more pollutants than all our human history since the invention of the internal combustion engine... Ya, I'll bet not. Doesn't fall in line with your liberal left wing derangement...

Did you ever read the report - I'll bet not - from the early 1990's that factually dismembered any global warming claims by anyone...???

Ya, the one that showed the data was skewed that was entered into the computers doing the calculations. Therefore (and by the scientists at the time own admission) the data coming out was inaccurate.

Or how about the facts presented by the scientists from Antartica.....ya, the core samples of ice from 25,000 years ago that PROVE the earth was only 2 degrees celcius warmer than now. Oooops. Sorry, how did that happen...?? The earth ACTUALLY COOLED 2 degrees celcius in 25,000 years...?? How did that happen...??

Or how about the video that illustrates what is actually going on.....the one that shows greenhouse gases were 10 times higher 25,000 years ago....the one that talks about the earth being an extremely volatile place to live. Its not smooth, its not silky, and at times - ITS NOT NICE... GOTTA deal with it you liberal left wing loons..

Watch the video.... http://vimeo.com/214890266
When are you ever gonna get a clue Raylan...?? Th... (show quote)




That volcano foolishness has been tossed out of relevancy even by Watts cooking..

Those other thing you claim.. To argue I need a link, source, origin or at least date and location

They are not true but with some more info i can tell you the why and how..

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Feb 9, 2018 15:22:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
trucksterbud wrote:
No intelligent data from NASA Raylan. Did you and them factor in the geoengineering chemtrails to all this and how that factor has contributed to the "Global Warming Hype..."?????? No evidence from that link to REAL global warming. In fact, the earth has cooled 2 deg celcius in 25,000 years... Ooops, hate to fracture your liberal left wing derangement....



Truck, Not true... this is an interesting article. about more then temp.. But give it a try if you wish..

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-climate-change-spurred-a-10000-year-ice-age-journey/

The climate 25,000 years ago was cold, very cold. It was the height of the last ice age, and survival required desperate measures -- especially from those in Eurasia, where food and wood fuel ran low. Some chose to migrate, but distances and directions among groups varied.

One faction ended up on the now-submerged Bering land bridge, a place where they would live in isolation for 10,000 years. They were the first Native Americans, according to a recent column in the journal Science.

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Feb 9, 2018 15:31:21   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
PeterS wrote:
And it was a consensus of scientists who argued that the earth was round. Maybe you should be the one to tell Blade that he's wrong...




Can't answer a simple question ha?

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Feb 9, 2018 15:34:31   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 


They'll become land lubbers. They usta be y'know.

Seals will become land lubbers too, like the ones in California.

D'ya think the bears will figure out stairs?



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Feb 9, 2018 15:47:10   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
permafrost wrote:
That volcano foolishness has been tossed out of relevancy even by Watts cooking..

Those other thing you claim.. To argue I need a link, source, origin or at least date and location

They are not true but with some more info i can tell you the why and how..


Here's a coincidence...an assumption that empirical evidence is casting doubt on.

Date: February 6, 2018

Source: University of Arizona

Summary: The Toba supereruption on the island of Sumatra about 74,000 years ago did not cause a six-year-long 'volcanic winter' in East Africa and thereby cause the human population in the region to plummet, according to new research based on an analysis of ancient plant remains from lake cores. The new findings disagree with the Toba catastrophe hypothesis, which says the eruption and its aftermath caused drastic, multi-year cooling and severe ecological disruption in East Africa...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180206151850.htm

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Feb 9, 2018 15:51:17   #
zillaorange
 
It's a terrible thing, that the polar bears are starving !!! However it seems it doesn't matter that the Pacific ocean is dying ????? With the OCEANS DYING < NONE OF US WILL SURVIVE !!!???

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Feb 9, 2018 15:57:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BigMike wrote:
Here's a coincidence...an assumption that empirical evidence is casting doubt on.

Date: February 6, 2018

Source: University of Arizona

Summary: The Toba supereruption on the island of Sumatra about 74,000 years ago did not cause a six-year-long 'volcanic winter' in East Africa and thereby cause the human population in the region to plummet, according to new research based on an analysis of ancient plant remains from lake cores. The new findings disagree with the Toba catastrophe hypothesis, which says the eruption and its aftermath caused drastic, multi-year cooling and severe ecological disruption in East Africa...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180206151850.htm
Here's a coincidence...an assumption that empirica... (show quote)



that seems to be a site I should add to my news page.. good one.. Thanks..

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Feb 9, 2018 15:58:06   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Science Daily right????????????? Uses Nasa and NOAA data for sources and also agrees with global warming!

https://screenshots.firefox.com/lJ9QfB8Kq2wWtHLS/www.sciencedaily.com



BigMike wrote:
Here's a coincidence...an assumption that empirical evidence is casting doubt on.

Date: February 6, 2018

Source: University of Arizona

Summary: The Toba supereruption on the island of Sumatra about 74,000 years ago did not cause a six-year-long 'volcanic winter' in East Africa and thereby cause the human population in the region to plummet, according to new research based on an analysis of ancient plant remains from lake cores. The new findings disagree with the Toba catastrophe hypothesis, which says the eruption and its aftermath caused drastic, multi-year cooling and severe ecological disruption in East Africa...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180206151850.htm
Here's a coincidence...an assumption that empirica... (show quote)

Science Daily!
Science Daily!...

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