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Feb 9, 2018 00:28:26   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
badbob85037 wrote:
You're starting to let those Libtards get to you. Think back to when you were young with smog and acid rain. Half our lakes and rivers you could not fish or swim. Back when not only your eyes and lungs burned but your skin. It was a problem and we fixed it. As is a place the size of Texas could build everyone on Earth a home




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Feb 9, 2018 04:03:04   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
permafrost wrote:
Keep trying..




I don't have to worm. You're the one that makes a jackass of your self every time you post.


Dam, it must really suck to be you.

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Feb 9, 2018 04:07:56   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
PeterS wrote:
97% of the papers say man made global warming exists? Well if a consensus of papers written on a subject are in agreement aren't we saying the same thing? Number 2 doesn't make any sense. If 97% of the papers on a subject are in agreement why would it matter if they were hand selected with bias towards that agreement?



At one point in time, 100% of the people thought the earth was flat. You ever heard of anyone that

fell off? Well, did you????

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Feb 9, 2018 04:15:49   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
permafrost wrote:
You can not even come up with half a fact can you....






I just stated one. " You have the mental capacity of a worm."

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Feb 9, 2018 04:28:08   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Bullshit! The man who established atomic theory, John Dalton, was all alone with his research for 84 years before physicists and nuclear theoretical scientists, including Einstein, began to look into it, and even then they had many conflicts and disagreements. If you dig into the history of scientific discoveries, you will see that being all alone with a theory was the rule rather than the exception.

A reading of the extraordinary and exhaustive history, The Making of the Atom Bomb by Richard Rhodes will demonstrate the enormous conflicts and disagreements among hundreds of scientists on the way toward producing a nuclear weapon, and the incredible difficulties encountered in bringing these "prima donnas" together to work toward a common goal. When they finally got down to business in their isolated labs at Los Alamos, the scientists certainly did not conduct their research and experiments based on consensus. Only General Leslie Groves and the Chief scientist, Robert Oppenheimer, were able to keep the entire project under control. (Note: Rhodes begins the history with a look back to the beginning of atomic theory and brings us forward, step by step. This is one of the most fascinating, often difficult in the technical areas, books on science history I have ever read.)

A scientific consensus is just that, it is a bunch of different opinions from which the common seeds are extracted then synthesized into a "conclusion." This is not how empirical science works and it is most definitely not the basis for applying the Scientific Methods of discovery.
Bullshit! The man who established atomic theory, J... (show quote)


And if not for a consensus John Dalton would still be sitting on his theory waiting for it to hatch as would Darwin, Einstein, Curie, and on down the list. Science cannot move without a consensus of scientists to support it. This is why no matter how hard you guys (Christian Conservatives) huff and puff you can't knock down the theory of evolution because there is too vast of a consensus of scientists who support it. And while you cons have done a magnificent job of muddying the waters surrounding global warming there still exists a number of scientists well in excess of a plurality to form a consensus that global warming is real and man the most likely reason for the speed at which it is accelerating. No nice try Blade but the Ayes have it and a consensus means' you are wrong....

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Feb 9, 2018 04:41:28   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
We knew Anthropogenic Global Warming was a scam from the get go, well before Trump ever said anything about it. 12 years ago Al Gore announced we had only 10 years left before the earth burned up. The fact that we are still here is an inconvenient truth, isn't it? Whatever this "overwhelming evidence" is, it sure as hell doesn't comport with real world weather and climate. Somebody has been hoodwinked. Hard to believe so many people could be so gullible.




I have a friend that lives on the coast of Washington. He has a boat ramp going to the sea.

I asked him just the other day, " has there been any change in the positioning height of his

boat ramp in the last ten years? " No, " he told me, " none at all. "

Now according to all these so-called experts in global warming, the ice caps should have all

melted, and we would see for sure, the sea rise and flood out the cost line both east and west.

Al Gore said Florida would be under water at least 25 feet. He also said that New York would be flooded,

and Manhattan would be under water over 30 feet by now. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

So much for Global Warming.

How does one explain away common sense?


I guess you have to be a Democrat to be able to do that.

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Feb 9, 2018 04:43:30   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You gonna back that up? Put your money where your mouth is? G'head genius, prove NASA's data hasn't been manipulated.


Good god Blade your really can't be serious. First off, the data that the right claims NASA manipulated didn't even belong to NASA but to the Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN) so it's very easy to prove that NASA didn't manipulate any data. There are several other misconceptions that I will let you figure out on your own. Do you honestly only read from far right media sources or are unable to do a google search? I did a search for "NASA climate data manipulated" and this was a the top of the search!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-24/nasa-director-schools-malcolm-roberts-in-climate-change-letter/8052132

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Feb 9, 2018 07:54:58   #
phenry
 
permafrost wrote:
the proof on climate change is overwhelming.. I f you follow in the orange man lead and call it fake news.. You have lost the last bit of logic..

https://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/urgentissues/global-warming-climate-change/help/10-climate-change-facts.xml


Ed Markey another Massachusetts nut ball.

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Feb 9, 2018 08:02:05   #
PeterS
 
RETW wrote:
At one point in time, 100% of the people thought the earth was flat. You ever heard of anyone that

fell off? Well, did you????


And it was a consensus of scientists who argued that the earth was round. Maybe you should be the one to tell Blade that he's wrong...

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Feb 9, 2018 08:32:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
BigMike wrote:
To the uninformed they are evidence.


On occasion, they can dig out facts not mentioned in any media outlets, but they have taken sides now. Now it is they, who twist information.

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Feb 9, 2018 09:08:55   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
A History of the Disastrous Global Warming Hoax

“It is the greatest deception in history and the extent of the damage has yet to be exposed and measured,” says Dr. Tim Ball in his new book, The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science”.

Dr. Ball has been a climatologist for more than forty years and was one of the earliest critics of the global warming hoax that was initiated by the United Nations environmental program that was established in 1972 and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) established in 1988.

Several UN conferences set in motion the hoax that is based on the assertion that carbon dioxide (CO2) was causing a dramatic surge in heating the Earth. IPCC reports have continued to spread this lie through their summaries for policy makers that influenced policies that have caused nations worldwide to spend billions to reduce and restrict CO2 emissions. Manmade climate change—called anthropogenic global warming—continues to be the message though mankind plays no role whatever.

There is no scientific support for the UN theory.

CO2, despite being a minor element of the Earth’s atmosphere, is essential for all life on Earth because it is the food that nourishes all vegetation. The Earth has passed through many periods of high levels of CO2 and many cycles of warming and cooling that are part of the life of the planet.

“Science works by creating theories based on assumptions,” Dr. Ball notes, “then other scientists—performing their skeptical role—test them. The structure and mandate of the IPCC was in direct contradiction of this scientific method. They set out to prove the theory rather than disprove it.”

“The atmosphere,” Dr. Ball notes, “is three-dimensional and dynamic, so building a computer model that even approximates reality requires far more data than exists and much greater understanding of an extremely turbulent and complex system.” No computer model put forth by the IPCC in support of global warming has been accurate, nor ever could be.

Most of the reports were created by a small group of men working within the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia and all were members of the IPCC. The result was “a totally false picture supposedly based on science.”

The revelations of emails between the members of the CRU were made available in 2009 by an unknown source. Dr. Ball quotes Phil Jones, the Director of the CRU at the time of the leaks, and Tom Wigley, a former director addressing other CRU members admitting that “Many of the uncertainties surrounding the cause of climate change will never be resolved because the necessary data are lacking.”

The IPCC depended upon the public’s lack of knowledge regarding the science involved and the global warming hoax was greatly aided because the “mainstream media bought into and promoted the unproven theory. Scientists who challenged were denied funding and marginalized. National environmental policies were introduced based on the misleading information” of the IPCC summaries of their reports.

“By the time of the 2001 IPCC Third Assessment Report, the politics and hysteria about climate change had risen to a level that demanded clear evidence of a human signal,” notes Dr. Ball. “An entire industry had developed around massive funding from government. A large number of academic, political, and bureaucratic careers had evolved and depended on expansion of the evidence. Environmentalists were increasing pressure on the public and thereby politicians.”

The growing problem for the CRU and the entire global warming hoax was that no clear evidence existed to blame mankind for changes in the climate and still largely unknown to the public was the fact that the Earth has passed through many natural cycles of warmth and cooling. If humans were responsible, how could the CRU explain a succession of ice ages over millions of years?

The CRU emails revealed their growing concerns regarding a cooling cycle that had begun in the late 1990s and now, some seventeen years later, the Earth is in a widely recognized cooling cycle.

Moreover, the hoax was aimed at vast reductions in the use of coal, oil, and natural gas, as well as nuclear power to produce the electricity on which all modern life depends. There was advocacy of solar and wind power to replace them and nations undertook costly programs to bring about the reduction of the CO2 “fossil fuels” produced and spent billions on the “green” energy. That program is being abandoned.

At the heart of the hoax is a contempt for mankind and a belief that population worldwide should be reduced. The science advisor to President Obama, John Holdren, has advocated forced abortions, sterilization by introducing infertility drugs into the nation’s drinking water and food, and other totalitarian measures. “Overpopulation is still central to the use of climate change as a political vehicle,” warns Dr. Ball.

Given that the environmental movement has been around since the 1960s, it has taken decades for the public to grasp its intent and the torrents of lies that have been used to advance it. “More people,” notes Dr. Ball, “are starting to understand that what they’re told about climate change by academia, the mass media, and the government is wrong, especially the propaganda coming from the UN and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

“Ridiculous claims—like the science is settled or the debate is over—triggered a growing realization that something was wrong.” When the global warming advocates began to tell people that cooling is caused by warming, the public has realized how absurd the entire UN climate change argument has been.

Worse, however, has been “the deliberate deceptions, misinformation, manipulation of records and misapplying scientific method and research” to pursue a political objective. Much of this is clearly unlawful, but it is unlikely that any of those who perpetrated the hoax will ever be punished and, in the case of Al Gore and the IPCC, they shared a Nobel Peace Prize!

We are all in debt to Dr. Ball and a score of his fellow scientists who exposed the lies and debunked the hoax; their numbers are growing with thousands of scientists signing petitions and participating in international conferences to expose this massive global deception.

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FACTSHEET: TIM BALL, PHD
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Retired - Professor of Geography, University of Winnepeg
Senior Scientific Advisor, Friends of Science Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee, Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP)

Tim Ball was a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry funded Friends of Science, an organization well known for its climate skepticism and politically charged attack ads. Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is also predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. Ball is also a writer for Tech Central Station, a climate denial website run by the PR firm DCI Group.

Tin Ball was a professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. He is a prolific speaker and writer in the skeptical science community.


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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball


Credential fudging and climate denial[edit]
Ball has been represented in the media as a climatologist (Canada's first, don'tcha know?) who has held a professorship for upward of twenty-eight years. However, he carefully omits this in his curriculum vitae.[2] In fact, he was a professor of geography with a focus in historical climate who retired in 1996. When the Calgary Herald published a letter[3] that questioned the credentials listed for Ball (in an article in which Ball attacked Tim Flannery[4]) Ball sued for libel, while admitting that he had not been a professor for twenty-eight years.[5] (Don't think too hard about that or it might make your head hurt.) Before the suit was dropped (against 3 defendants), Tim Lambert of Deltoid dared Ball to sue him, too.[6] Lambert also expressed doubt over the relevance of Ball's research:

“”However, hardly any of those 51 publications are in scientific journals but include things like gardening magazines. I looked in Web of Science and could only find four papers by Ball, all on historical climatology, none on climate and atmosphere. I don't see how Ball can possibly win his case, but I guess that's not the point.[7]
Eli Rabett has created the "Tim Ball Award for Resume Stretching" in his honor.[8]

Even within the deniosphere, Ball hasn't come up with anything new or impressive. All he does is constantly repeat points refuted a thousand times about solar cycles and how carbon dioxide is plant food. For example, take a look at his ingenious "refutation" of rising sea levels where he just puts some ice cubes in a glass and lets them melt.

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Feb 9, 2018 10:10:49   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
EconomistDon wrote:
OMG Rayban, you and the fools who wrote that article are so confused you don't know what you are talking about. Here are two points to consider, as simply and bluntly as I can put it.

1. YES, the vast majority of scientists agree that climate change is real. Yes it is happening just as it has happened for millions of years. But THAT is not the point!

2. Man and CO2 have nothing to do with it. NOBODY has ever proved that man and CO2 have anything to do with it. Scientists can agree all they want that warming is occurring, but that alone is not proof that man and CO2 are involved.

Your article talks about how scientific opinion has changed since the original petition was signed in 1998-99. I'll tell you how scientific opinion has changed. Since the peak in temperatures in 1998, temperatures have gone sideways. That's nearly 20 years of nearly no change in temperature, despite continued increases in CO2 levels. Whoa partner, how can that be if higher CO2 drives higher temperatures? Well, the majority of REAL scientists are realizing that the true source of climate change is the SUN. OMG, the SUN drives temperatures on earth? Well who da thunk? Turns out, changes in solar activity trends tightly with trends in global temperatures. For example the Maunder minimum and the Dalton minimum in solar activity were directly responsible for the Little Ice Age that lasted from 1350 to about 1750. More recently, the short-term solar cycle has been in decline since 2000, conforming with the stable temperatures since 1998.

Problem for alarmists -- there is NO MONEY in admitting that the sun is the source of global warming. So they can't admit it. They must continue their bogus claim that CO2 is the source to continue getting federal money.

So Rayban, I leave you with a repeat bit of advice. Give it up! We now have a far more intelligent President in the White House who will not sucker for the greedy alarmists who stop at nothing to get federal money. We will not continue to destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs to support bogus science. And we will not hand hundreds of millions of dollars to other countries in support of a bogus climate agreement.
OMG Rayban, you and the fools who wrote that artic... (show quote)


Gasses behave in particular ways at particular temperatures and pressures. CO2 is heavier than air and doesn't stay aloft forever. The earth is a machine and operates as such.

This is basic science but do you think these people could make a scientific inference from that?

Nope! They don't teach basic science anymore.

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Feb 9, 2018 10:48:46   #
zillaorange
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/apr/04/don-beyer/don-beyer-says-97-percent-scientists-believe-human/


don't sweat the small stuff. What about Fukushima ? 100,000 tons of radioactive material to be dumped into the Pacific ?

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Feb 9, 2018 11:17:56   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
rjoeholl wrote:
I'm bothered by the fact that it's always 97%; never 96% or 98%. Are you telling me that in all these years none of these "scientists" changed their mind? No new variables occurred to sway their beliefs? Well, then, they aren't very good scientists, are they?


Polar Bears Starving Because of Global Warming!

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/polar-bears-starve-melting-sea-ice-global-warming-study-beaufort-sea-environment/



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Feb 9, 2018 11:42:29   #
trucksterbud
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/apr/04/don-beyer/don-beyer-says-97-percent-scientists-believe-human/


When are you ever gonna get a clue Raylan...?? The discrepancies in your post are glaring at the onset. Your title says "97% of Scientists believe humans are causing global warming." But wait, the title to the article says "97% of Scientists believe humans may contribute to global warming.." How did you miss that....?? Suffer from hoof in mouth syndrome about now...???

So which is it - O' enlightened one...?? O' Anointed one..... Just because you post it, and it falls in line with your liberal left wing derangement.....do you think we're all supposed to fall off our chairs in fright...??

Did you ever watch the videos detailing how one volcanic eruption spews forth more pollutants than all our human history since the invention of the internal combustion engine... Ya, I'll bet not. Doesn't fall in line with your liberal left wing derangement...

Did you ever read the report - I'll bet not - from the early 1990's that factually dismembered any global warming claims by anyone...???

Ya, the one that showed the data was skewed that was entered into the computers doing the calculations. Therefore (and by the scientists at the time own admission) the data coming out was inaccurate.

Or how about the facts presented by the scientists from Antartica.....ya, the core samples of ice from 25,000 years ago that PROVE the earth was only 2 degrees celcius warmer than now. Oooops. Sorry, how did that happen...?? The earth ACTUALLY COOLED 2 degrees celcius in 25,000 years...?? How did that happen...??

Or how about the video that illustrates what is actually going on.....the one that shows greenhouse gases were 10 times higher 25,000 years ago....the one that talks about the earth being an extremely volatile place to live. Its not smooth, its not silky, and at times - ITS NOT NICE... GOTTA deal with it you liberal left wing loons..

Watch the video.... http://vimeo.com/214890266

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