JediKnight wrote:
Moldyoldy: first, thank you for your service for many have no idea just what you had to endure to provide the safety and freedoms many take for granted. Second, I agree with your post 100%. Finally, prepare yourself to be 'slimed, insulted, and accused of being "unpatriotic" because this site has a definite "right leaning" slant. The majority here are not trying to see the 'truth' but seem to be caught up in the racist, divisive rhetoric that Trump and this current group of republicans seem so fond of strewing. Good luck to you sir!
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O yaaaa, what we need is (Starwars)!
Jedi Knight ya right đđđđ”
eagleye13 wrote:
moldy; Are you going to continue being a recruiter for ISIS?
Luckily that Neanderthal gene has been repressed in many, but it is evident on OPP.
permafrost wrote:
I don`t agree on the reparations idea, but the rest I very much do..
I understand your reluctance on reparations. However, I struggle with those who disagree when I recall that during Clinton's first term, if I am not mistaken, the US paid $100 billion in "reparations to surviving descendants of the Holocaust" who live in this country. As wrong, despicable, and horrible as the Holocaust was - it did not happen in this country. So why was that okay, but reparations for blacks is not?
goofball wrote:
O yaaaa, what we need is (Starwars)!
Jedi Knight ya right đđđđ”
Oh look - a juvenile joke from one who calls himself "goofball" - obviously rightly so. Hypocritical lately?
I read what you write and throw up in my mouth.
moldyoldy wrote:
Whites have employed, raping, pillaging, stealing, murder, always. Stealing gun powder from the Chinese, using it to invade and subjugate other countries to steal their resources. Also spreading religion that they never followed to keep others in line. European, Neanderthals searched all over for more people to kill. You should be so proud.
JediKnight wrote:
Oh look - a juvenile joke from one who calls himself "goofball" - obviously rightly so. Hypocritical lately?
Go watch your movies! Calling me juvenile ha!
JediKnight wrote:
Reparations and enforced laws against discrimination and racism would be a good start.
Reparations? BS.
That infers those of us today should "pay" for indiscretions of previous inhabitants to people who were not disadvantaged because they were not here, were not alive during those bad times.
That is insanity for there could be no limits until everyone held exactly the same number of USD as everyone else. Where would that end?
My Irish forefathers were not allowed to step off the damned boat in Boston or NYC, they had to go to Montreal.. should some Eric Holder or Barack Obama pay ME reparations?!
Like I said, BS.
JediKnight wrote:
I understand your reluctance on reparations. However, I struggle with those who disagree when I recall that during Clinton's first term, if I am not mistaken, the US paid $100 billion in "reparations to surviving descendants of the Holocaust" who live in this country. As wrong, despicable, and horrible as the Holocaust was - it did not happen in this country. So why was that okay, but reparations for blacks is not?
As an old guy, maybe my recall is skipping a point or 2, can not recall Holocaust reparations..
but I would not agree to those in any case..
S. Maturin wrote:
Reparations? BS.
That infers those of us today should "pay" for indiscretions of previous inhabitants to people who were not disadvantaged because they were not here, were not alive during those bad times.
That is insanity for there could be no limits until everyone held exactly the same number of USD as everyone else. Where would that end?
My Irish forefathers were not allowed to step off the damned boat in Boston or NYC, they had to go to Montreal.. should some Eric Holder or Barack Obama pay ME reparations?!
Like I said, BS.
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Oh isn't it easy to wallow and whine because your ancestors had to take the long way into the country? You are much too obtuse to understand the difference in what happened to victims of the Holocaust, your ancestors, and the slaves brought here by force to be tortured, abused, and worked like slaves to build a country that they have never been accepted in. Hold on a minute, I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine.
goofball wrote:
Go watch your movies! Calling me juvenile ha!
I "call 'em as I see 'em" - you injected yourself into my conversation with an insult, now you choose to whine and experience butt hurt. Would you like me to send you some cheese to go with that whine?
JediKnight wrote:
Oh isn't it easy to wallow and whine because your ancestors had to take the long way into the country? You are much too obtuse to understand the difference in what happened to victims of the Holocaust, your ancestors, and the slaves brought here by force to be tortured, abused, and worked like slaves to build a country that they have never been accepted in. Hold on a minute, I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine.
BTW - when Holocaust "descendants" were paid the $100 billion, none of them were actually there doing the horrors either.
RETW
Loc: Washington
thinksense wrote:
You folks all have debated what you each think has happened in the past and it is interesting.
But...We have the big question still un-answered....WHAT ARE WE CAPABLE OF DOING ABOUT IT?????
. HOW CAN WE FORCE THE Hoodlums to give up their power and obey the Constitution?
They wonât do it voluntarily.
How can we citizens force the people who have taken over our government to obey any law.
We have no way to get rid of them. (And donât tell me we can VOTE âEM OUT. That has no power. You need to be able to Force the will of the people. If you canât understand that, you might as well give up before you start, cause they can sure force you to obey....at their gun point.)
We have no weapons to use to enforce the Govt. hoods to obey the Constitution.
They, the Govt. hoodlums have armies of legitimate troops as well as âcontractorsâ, armed with the most modern weapons to force us to obey their wishes.
We are essentially kept dumb, confused, sickly and divided.
A revolution today is unthinkable.
So now what?
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Ever heard of the Vote. If you want to change the way our government works, vote the fools out of office.
That's why we have it. We have President trump because of the vote.
Soooooooooooooo, vote.
JediKnight wrote:
Oh isn't it easy to wallow and whine because your ancestors had to take the long way into the country? You are much too obtuse to understand the difference in what happened to victims of the Holocaust, your ancestors, and the slaves brought here by force to be tortured, abused, and worked like slaves to build a country that they have never been accepted in. Hold on a minute, I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine.
A large number of the black people who were captured and sold to white people in America were captured by black people in Africa. Many more were captured by Muslims to be sold as slaves. Apparently the Muslims were a major player, capturing people to make into slaves. They were the Barberry pirates referenced in "From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli. Most of the tribes in Africa captured slaves from other tribes, this was the norm not the exception. To pretend that only white Europeans had slaves is to intentionally distort the worldwide slave markets.America was the first country to outlaw the ownership of slaves of any color or nationality.
How they laid claim to others land. The Popes decree.
Why did Spain tell the rest of Europe about the discovery of the Americas?::
Well, itâs actually an interesting story.
In January 4 1493, ColĂłn decided to return to Europe: it was more out of necessity, since the ships had suffered damages the crew just couldnât repair with whatever they had on board.
During the trip back, a storm further damaged the ships while splitting the formation: La Niña ended in Bayona (Spain) while Columbus, in La Pinta, limped until arriving to Portugal.
Then things got even more interesting: he wrote two letters, the first to the Portuguese King, asking for an audience. The second one was sent to two high-ranking Castilian officers (not the Catholic Monarchs, why?): Luis de SantĂĄngel, the Crownâs notary, and Gabriel SĂĄnchez, the Crownâs Treasurer, telling a very succinct version of the adventure.
This last letter, better known as âLa Carta de ColĂłnâ was translated and published in Barcelona, Antwerp, Rome, Paris and Florence: thatâs how the discovery was made known to Europe.
Now, why would the Castilian Crown let the rest of Europe know about the discovery of America? Well, first, it was not the âdiscovery of Americaâ, but a new route to the Indies: the islands found by Columbus were a Castilian claim, not much different than the claim over the Canary Islands.
And thatâs why it wasnât kept a secret. Not only because something of that magnitude could never be a secret, but because in order to make a claim over any new land, the whole idea was to assert and demand the recognition of the Castilian Crownâs rights over them publicly. There was nothing like a âsecret claimâ, please.
It was rather easy to get the Pope to solve the dispute with the Portuguese, since the Treaty of Alcaçobas-Toledo did not contemplate the claim over the Indies. So, the Catholic Monarchs asked Pope Alexander VI to equate the Portuguese claims over Africa with the Castilian ones over the Indies, knowing well the Portuguese had no legal recourse to dispute the same principle they used to claim Africa for themselves.
And, contrary to what Anon consider âalmost embarrassingâ (â_â), the Castilians were very lucky they arrived very early to two heavily populated and economically developed regions that were the perfect springboards for further advance: central Mexico and the central Andean mountains, where they just decapitated the hegemonic local powers and took over the administration of the Aztec and Incan âempiresâ.
There are good reasons the colonization of the rest of the continent started much later and was so slow.
And so little, Anon? The total claim of the Spanish Empire in the Western Hemisphere was of 31 500 000 kmÂČ by 1640. True, they just had not enough forces to occupy all that area, but what they actually occupied was much much more than the British, Dutch and French competing empires there.
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