Sheriff gives the order to murder.
Amen and Amen they should have disobeyed the order but with that crazy mf***er he probably would have shot them instead.
RETW
Loc: Washington
No, the sheriffs order was correct.
#1. It's all to clear this person was in the wrong.
#2. It's also very clear he knew he should have pulled over and stopped.
#3. It is very clear that after being ramed several times and being boxed in by other police vehicles,
he was not going to stop. And at that point in time, he became a severe danger to all the general
public.
#4. Irrespective of what the sheriff had said to the deputies, the truth of this is, this man brought this on himself. The moment it became clear he was a danger to others, is the moment he put his own
life on the line.
#5. And the moment he got into that pick-up truck, he was breaking the law.
Yes, that sheriff must be removed and charges should be brought on his willful and deliberate actions.
No police officer should be that irresponsible in judgment.
RETW wrote:
No, the sheriffs order was correct.
#1. It's all to clear this person was in the wrong.
#2. It's also very clear he knew he should have pulled over and stopped.
#3. It is very clear that after being ramed several times and being boxed in by other police vehicles,
he was not going to stop. And at that point in time, he became a severe danger to all the general
public.
#4. Irrespective of what the sheriff had said to the deputies, the truth of this is, this man brought this on himself. The moment it became clear he was a danger to others, is the moment he put his own
life on the line.
#5. And the moment he got into that pick-up truck, he was breaking the law.
Yes, that sheriff must be removed and charges should be brought on his willful and deliberate actions.
No police officer should be that irresponsible in judgment.
No, the sheriffs order was correct. br br #1. ... (
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While technically, you are probably correct if one want's to go to the extreme solution. It was in fact, deemed justified. However, there have been more egregious high-speed chases where the perpetrator was actually endangering the lives of others, however, the police never killed 'em, nor did they intend to, even though they would have probably liked to.
If a human behaves like a rabid dog, he should be put down. Otherwise he'll bite you and infect you.
RETW wrote:
No, the sheriffs order was correct.
#1. It's all to clear this person was in the wrong.
#2. It's also very clear he knew he should have pulled over and stopped.
#3. It is very clear that after being ramed several times and being boxed in by other police vehicles,
he was not going to stop. And at that point in time, he became a severe danger to all the general
public.
#4. Irrespective of what the sheriff had said to the deputies, the truth of this is, this man brought this on himself. The moment it became clear he was a danger to others, is the moment he put his own
life on the line.
#5. And the moment he got into that pick-up truck, he was breaking the law.
Yes, that sheriff must be removed and charges should be brought on his willful and deliberate actions.
No police officer should be that irresponsible in judgment.
No, the sheriffs order was correct. br br #1. ... (
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The mans truck was his weapon and endangerment to the publuc was obvious..
A sad situation over being stopped but the man caused the need to be stopped at all costs..
Do question his condition once he wrecked though..was he still violent?? Shots heard, from whom?? The sheriff or the man..
Need more info ...
Peewee wrote:
If a human behaves like a rabid dog, he should be put down. Otherwise he'll bite you and infect you.
Agreed, but to allow a cop to shoot a suspect unarmed and perhaps dazed from the wreck leaves questions as well as breeching the fudicary responsibility cops have to use deadly force as a last result...
We allow them to kill at will and not be held accountable for their actions we “ could be next”...
First we see:
RETW wrote:
No, the sheriffs order was correct.
But then a complete 180:
RETW wrote:
Yes, that sheriff must be removed and charges should be brought on his willful and deliberate actions.
No police officer should be that irresponsible in judgment.
So which is it? Either the order was correct, case closed, or he should be removed and charged. Can't be both.
A vehicle can be used as a weapon . He got what he asked for!
RETW
Loc: Washington
Larry the Legend wrote:
First we see:
So which is it? Either the order was correct, case closed, or he should be removed and charged. Can't be both.
Yes, it can. As I said, the order was correct. And it was given to the deputies that were in pursuit.
The very moment the driver used his truck to ram a police cruiser, that then became a weapon of
destruction. A weapon is a weapon. Could be a gun, car, boat, knife, even a pencil. When an item is
used to hurt or otherwise injure another, that item then becomes a weapon.
The reasoning behind the order from the sheriff is what's in question.
RETW wrote:
Yes, it can. As I said, the order was correct. And it was given to the deputies that were in pursuit.
The very moment the driver used his truck to ram a police cruiser, that then became a weapon of
destruction. A weapon is a weapon. Could be a gun, car, boat, knife, even a pencil. When an item is
used to hurt or otherwise injure another, that item then becomes a weapon.
The reasoning behind the order from the sheriff is what's in question.
I see. So by driving a car and (presumably) resisting arrest, I am operating a deadly weapon and therefore I am subject to summary execution, regardless of whether I am in a position to bring that weapon to bear or not at the point of my execution? Because that's what happened. This guy was shot long after his 'threat' had been neutralized.
RETW wrote:
Yes, it can. As I said, the order was correct. And it was given to the deputies that were in pursuit.
The very moment the driver used his truck to ram a police cruiser, that then became a weapon of
destruction. A weapon is a weapon. Could be a gun, car, boat, knife, even a pencil. When an item is
used to hurt or otherwise injure another, that item then becomes a weapon.
The reasoning behind the order from the sheriff is what's in question.
Nowhere, do I read where the pickup truck ramed anything! Nowhere, do I read the pickup was at any time speeding! The guy was executed for simply not stopping in a timely manner. If that meats your level of reasoning for killing someone, I hope you aren't wearing a badge and dealing with the public. If you are, I hope I never have the misfortune of being pulled over by you. No telling what might cause you to deem I'm brandishing a weapon (perhaps the ballpoint in my shirt pocket) and shoot me. By-the-way, The pickup was ramed by patrol cars in an attempt to stop it.
RETW
Loc: Washington
Larry the Legend wrote:
I see. So by driving a car and (presumably) resisting arrest, I am operating a deadly weapon and therefore I am subject to summary execution, regardless of whether I am in a position to bring that weapon to bear or not at the point of my execution? Because that's what happened. This guy was shot long after his 'threat' had been neutralized.
Larry, Did you watch the video? Because if you had, you would have known two things right up front.
#1.
There is no " presumably " anything. He was " resisting arrest ".
#2.
He was using the truck as a weapon. That means if he killed a policeman, it was ok.
#3.
Not OK to kill a policeman.
RETW
Loc: Washington
Richard Rowland wrote:
Nowhere, do I read where the pickup truck ramed anything! Nowhere, do I read the pickup was at any time speeding! The guy was executed for simply not stopping in a timely manner. If that meats your level of reasoning for killing someone, I hope you aren't wearing a badge and dealing with the public. If you are, I hope I never have the misfortune of being pulled over by you. No telling what might cause you to deem I'm brandishing a weapon (perhaps the ballpoint in my shirt pocket) and shoot me. By-the-way, The pickup was ramed by patrol cars in an attempt to stop it.
Nowhere, do I read where the pickup truck ramed an... (
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Perhaps you should watch the video. Things will become clear.
RETW wrote:
Larry, Did you watch the video? Because if you had, you would have known two things right up front.
#1.
There is no " presumably " anything. He was " resisting arrest ".
#2.
He was using the truck as a weapon. That means if he killed a policeman, it was ok.
#3.
Not OK to kill a policeman.
1. Correct - Not OK to kill a policeman. That can get you in all kinds of deep doo-doo.
2. OK, resisting arrest. I'll run with that. Failure to stop might be a stretch. When I said 'presumably', I was presuming that he would be charged as such, not that he 'presumably' was.
3. I wouldn't exactly say he had 'weaponized' his truck. He was clearly trying to get away from the (several) police cars around him. Those police cars were crowded in and attempting to cause hm to lose control of his truck, presumably (there's that word again) to make him stop. If anyone was using a car as a weapon, it was the cops.
4. He was shot after the chase was finished. The truck was well and truly stuck in the undergrowth and wedged in by a police car. I don't care how you try to spin it, his 'truck weapon' had been well and truly neutralized at that time.
Now admit it. This was nothing more than an order from a superior officer to commit an act of cold-blooded murder. Two wrongs do not make a right, and carrying a badge does not empower you to go around killing people just because they pissed you off. This is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a police state. Whoever killed him should be subjected to the same brand of 'justice' and see how that goes down.
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