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Feb 6, 2018 10:03:47   #
guitarman Loc: University Park, Florida
 
2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)


I think the radical change happened when President Bill Clinton looked right at the TV camera and said, " I did not have sex with that woman" That blatant lie has changed the nature of politics in the US for the worse. Now every politician is now labeled a liar by those opposing the candidate.

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Feb 6, 2018 10:16:13   #
Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
 
2 tap my friend, first you will be attacked by the left here on OPP, they honestly care only for their point of view (anti-American!) and to hell with truth an honesty, those words aren't part of their make up....

As to what the 12 minute video is really saying (In my opinion) is America started going to hell with Woodrow Wilson's progressive - Dems, and if you'll notice dates his rain of power coincides with the Bolsheviks take over of Russia and WWI...

Then we went further to hell under FDR and his Socialist regime and WWII (really and extension of WWI which never ended!), Truman was a "good party hack" and did what he was told, hence Korea (which never ended either!)...

Then after JFK was murder, LBJ did what he wanted and our country has never recovered, he and his dem controlled Senate & House robbed Soc. Sec. replace hard currency with IOU's (no kidding!), they of course are worthless, why did he do this, to pay for his Welfare State Programs [those 'niggers' will vote for Dems for 200 years!] & Vietnam...

Then there is the real phony Jimmy Carter (that suit case he was seen careening, was empty!), and his way, way left administration [can't we just all get along!], the Iranians judged him correct, "gutless"...

Obama is a true "Manchurian Candate", born where no one seems to know for sure, 99% think Kenya, 1% think somewhere else, no one with an active brain thinks Hawaii... Trained and educated as a Communist & Muslim, just like his father in Kenya, anti Imperialism, and he see America as pure Imperialism too (I think partly right, trying to buy friends, we still are!), his planned march to power started in Hawaii, then on ward to Chicago (most corrupt City & State in America!), his training and contacts with other subversives was programmed and his rise was dictated by others in Europe & the Muslim World...

I agree with the video, President Trump is our last real hope at making America Free again... My fear is "THEY" will "JFK" him if the "Cesspool" can't bring him down, I hope his protection and military leadership are truly 100% behind him... Don D.


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2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)

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Feb 6, 2018 10:23:22   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
2bltap, I too am concerned about the future of this country, but we see different things. I don't know how you get the idea that the Democrats are the party of racial division? It was Harry Truman, a Democrat that first desegregated the armed forces. It was JFK that help bring on the civil rights revolution, and LBJ, another Democrat that was responsible for the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. If thats was a division, it was sorely needed.
I am not sure I know what you mean by sedition and treason. I see no treason, which is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in times of war.As far as sedition is concerned, The only sedition I see is President Trump and some of his conservative friends not criticizing Putin for interfering in our election, and taking Russia's part over that of his own intelligence community.
I don't consider protest and/or disagreeing with politicians as sedition. The First Amendment of the United States recognizes that God given right of every American. Protest and petitioning the government for redress of wrongs is American as apple pie. That is what makes this country great!
2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)

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Feb 6, 2018 11:04:40   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
the founding fathers were a small group of men that rebelled against the King. Most of the population was not ready for their actions. The story is 3% did the task. On the bell curve there are 3% on the other end strongly opposed. many went to Canada.

Then after they beat the English and the Germans they had a very hard time governing the 13 new nation states with the Articles of Confederation... They wrote the constitution and had a hard time selling it, to their own groups of founders. They also had a hard time selling it to the population. Hence, the federalist papers. t(T)he Constitution of/for the u(U)nited States of America circa 1819 thru 1860-61 is valid.

These guys, our founding fathers were rebels, killers, tough violent men. Washington Hung men more that once. Finally in 1819 their Constitutional Republic settled into a government that lasted until 1860-61.

With 13 TONA ratified in 1819, how did Abraham Lincoln become President? I still haven't found that answer. But, he did and the Confederate States left the perpetual union, Then Congress closed sine di in 1861. Lincoln formed a Corporation with the Vatican, changed the Constitution and and forced a Congress to open.

We have had color of law since 1861. FDR rebooted the bogus corporate governance in 1933. The Vatican cancelled all Corporations in 2012.

There are a lot of men and women in prison because of their desire to re constitute our Constitutional Republic from the existing corporate governance.

How is that for serious?















2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)

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Feb 6, 2018 11:08:47   #
S. Maturin
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
2bltap, I too am concerned about the future of this country, but we see different things. I don't know how you get the idea that the Democrats are the party of racial division? It was Harry Truman, a Democrat that first desegregated the armed forces. It was JFK that help bring on the civil rights revolution, and LBJ, another Democrat that was responsible for the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. If thats was a division, it was sorely needed.
I am not sure I know what you mean by sedition and treason. I see no treason, which is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in times of war.As far as sedition is concerned, The only sedition I see is President Trump and some of his conservative friends not criticizing Putin for interfering in our election, and taking Russia's part over that of his own intelligence community.
I don't consider protest and/or disagreeing with politicians as sedition. The First Amendment of the United States recognizes that God given right of every American. Protest and petitioning the government for redress of wrongs is American as apple pie. That is what makes this country great!
2bltap, I too am concerned about the future of thi... (show quote)


" I don't know how you get the idea that the Democrats are the party of racial division? "

So you were in a coma for the past eight years of Obama's exclaiming.. "cops acted stupidly".. and him jumping into every instance of white cops capturing black felons.. nice.

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Feb 6, 2018 12:15:43   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Kevyn wrote:
No thinking people are interested in crackpot conspiracy theories.


How many times have you been told that? Is it finally sinking in? Hell no.

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Feb 6, 2018 20:09:43   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
PeterS, you dont get it. I did call out both sides. The history of the Democratic Party does not have much to b ragg about. However, for me THIS IS VERY SERIOUS! From the varios responses so far I have a hell of a lot to learn. What I was talking about were the surface issues, and IM THE ONE WHO NEEDS AN EDUCATION ON THIS! Again, I only know what Ive learned over my many years and realize Im wanting in the history aspect of all this. So if you want to assist in furthering that education great, if not, well dont. your usuall snarky assed comments really do nothing for me or anyone else.



PeterS wrote:
How can you have a serious discussion when the first thing you do is point your finger at the opposing side. If you want to know what's wrong with the country then stand up and take a bow because you nailed it right there.

Have fun getting serious with your conservative friends. Maybe you can build a boat and go play in the pond...



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Feb 6, 2018 21:37:48   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
2bltap,

Theirs a great book written in the 14th century.

Machiavelli's "The Prince"
https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/p/the-prince/book-summary.

This is nothing new, Political intrigue has been happening since the age of kings, kingdom's, political governments and Religion.

Man's hubris . . . for power, money and greed . . .

The only reason that we are all so concerned, is the information age and the internet . . .

Take a deep breath, have a beer and listen, you will then know when to speak your mind, . . . And don't forget to pray . . .

We live in a free society, a Republic, all views are protected under "Free Speech," the Bill of Rights and U.S. Constitution.

Unlike a Democracy like the Ancient Greeks, 51 % rule . . . Imagine their political chaos . . .

Doc110

2bltap wrote:

In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now!

I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born!

How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years.

The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know.

Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state?

Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part.

Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England.

So when did all of this start?

Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this.

Please.

Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
br In all my years of having been in the Corps an... (show quote)

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Feb 6, 2018 22:20:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)


How did it come about? Video games, social media, leftists, and feminism. Not mankind, but people kind. LOL! There is more truth to that than meets the eye.

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Feb 6, 2018 22:23:49   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
Thank you very much Don!!!! As far as the progressives here attacking me? PFTFT!!!! They dont faze me in the least!!!!! I just responded to PeterS, becasue he thought (?) that because I didnt include more of the Republican/Conservative party in my concerns pertaining the the ailments of this country that my intentions for an honest and serious discussion was basicaly BS. You can read what I responded to him with of course. But my REAL CONCERNS about all of this and my wanting a serious discussion is becasue I DO CARE DEEPLY about this, my beloved country. AS I STATED TO HIM, IM WAY BEHIND THE LEARNING CURVE AS TO THE WHATS, WHY'S AND HOW COMES of all of this horrendous crap that has infected the U.S.. He just doesnt get it Don. When someone is truly tryng to learn where does one go? They go to those who are much more well informed such as yourself and the more seasoned of those around us. In this case Im refering to those here on OPP who are much better qualified to educate. Whether they are older or younger than me is quite frankly irrelevant. Knowledge is knowledge, and those that come back with infantile FAUX RAGE or anger or a reason to cut off dialog is EXACTLY, whats been going on in our higher institutions of LOWER EDUCATION. Don, its no wonder why the so called millenials are so mixed up. They are being taught by those that wish to change the context and history or our nation. PLease take care.
Semper Fi
Mike




Don G. Dinsdale wrote:
2 tap my friend, first you will be attacked by the left here on OPP, they honestly care only for their point of view (anti-American!) and to hell with truth an honesty, those words aren't part of their make up....

As to what the 12 minute video is really saying (In my opinion) is America started going to hell with Woodrow Wilson's progressive - Dems, and if you'll notice dates his rain of power coincides with the Bolsheviks take over of Russia and WWI...

Then we went further to hell under FDR and his Socialist regime and WWII (really and extension of WWI which never ended!), Truman was a "good party hack" and did what he was told, hence Korea (which never ended either!)...

Then after JFK was murder, LBJ did what he wanted and our country has never recovered, he and his dem controlled Senate & House robbed Soc. Sec. replace hard currency with IOU's (no kidding!), they of course are worthless, why did he do this, to pay for his Welfare State Programs [those 'niggers' will vote for Dems for 200 years!] & Vietnam...

Then there is the real phony Jimmy Carter (that suit case he was seen careening, was empty!), and his way, way left administration [can't we just all get along!], the Iranians judged him correct, "gutless"...

Obama is a true "Manchurian Candate", born where no one seems to know for sure, 99% think Kenya, 1% think somewhere else, no one with an active brain thinks Hawaii... Trained and educated as a Communist & Muslim, just like his father in Kenya, anti Imperialism, and he see America as pure Imperialism too (I think partly right, trying to buy friends, we still are!), his planned march to power started in Hawaii, then on ward to Chicago (most corrupt City & State in America!), his training and contacts with other subversives was programmed and his rise was dictated by others in Europe & the Muslim World...

I agree with the video, President Trump is our last real hope at making America Free again... My fear is "THEY" will "JFK" him if the "Cesspool" can't bring him down, I hope his protection and military leadership are truly 100% behind him... Don D.


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Feb 6, 2018 22:32:56   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
saltwind 78, I watched the execution of JFK when I was very young on the TV. It scared me very much becasue I didnt understand at that time what it all meant. All I knew was that the President had been shot and killed. Growing up after that I learned many many things of course, and I remember my Grand Father telling me things I didnt understand, but what I do remember is that he said the Democratic party was dead. Now, after all these years I understand that back in those days the Democratic Party was a pretty much good outfit, but something happened saltwind, and thats what among other things that have happened in the U.S. is what Im trying to learn and understand. As far as sedition and treason is concerned, WE ARE AT WAR. The very slight difference at this point at least is that fortunately there are no bullets flying around at each other so far. Make no mistake Saltwind, this country is at war, but its for its very soul. Take care.
Semper Fi


saltwind 78 wrote:
2bltap, I too am concerned about the future of this country, but we see different things. I don't know how you get the idea that the Democrats are the party of racial division? It was Harry Truman, a Democrat that first desegregated the armed forces. It was JFK that help bring on the civil rights revolution, and LBJ, another Democrat that was responsible for the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. If thats was a division, it was sorely needed.
I am not sure I know what you mean by sedition and treason. I see no treason, which is giving aid and comfort to the enemy in times of war.As far as sedition is concerned, The only sedition I see is President Trump and some of his conservative friends not criticizing Putin for interfering in our election, and taking Russia's part over that of his own intelligence community.
I don't consider protest and/or disagreeing with politicians as sedition. The First Amendment of the United States recognizes that God given right of every American. Protest and petitioning the government for redress of wrongs is American as apple pie. That is what makes this country great!
2bltap, I too am concerned about the future of thi... (show quote)



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Feb 6, 2018 22:49:11   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
PeterS wrote:
Because we don't all share the same ideology and never have. As for answering the question he didn't ask a question that he actually wanted a answer to. Politically we've fraught like cats and dogs from day one. Hell we even once started a civil war. If he knows anything about our history he should know that. What about today has him so worried...liberals and RINO's??? If that's the case that's nothing compared to our past...




If you had any brains what so ever, you would be able to figure out I wasn't talking about opposing
sides. .... As the right thing to do. ....

The party system is broken. And it is not being fixed anytime soon.

Congress is not there to play king of the hill. Congress is there to serve our nation, not to feather
there nest.

It is " we the people " that could stop all this bull in a heartbeat. That is why we all vote.


"We the people" are now on the right path. And it is "we the people" that must stay on it.

If we stray from the pathway even a little bit, devastation could follow for years.

All one has to do, is look at the last 8 years to understand that fact.

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Feb 6, 2018 23:51:05   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
debeda wrote:
Wow great thought!! I agree with you wholeheartedly. I would also add that the welfare expansions we've seen since the mid 1960s has created two things. 1. There is a large group of people who no longer strive but blame and a larger group of people who resent supporting them; and 2. That we literally have begun to elect rulers instead of representatives. Some of the shizznit that comes out of Washington is bizarre to the extreme. For instance LBJ deciding to have the American people subsidize medical school for Indian nationals; Nixon administration expanding immigration; Carter administration changing rules for immigrants; Clinton administration providing welfare benefits to illegal immigrants; and most everything that came out of the Obama administration. I can't believe the average person supported or even knew about these programs. NOT very representative of the wishes of the people.
Wow great thought!! I agree with you wholeheartedl... (show quote)






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Feb 6, 2018 23:54:20   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
Hows this Kevyn? Why dont you take your pie and do what you do best with it ok Mr. KeyBoard Commado Another words STFU already. Damn near every single topic or comment you have made that I have been the unfortunate recipient to have seen is nothing but CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK like a n extremely irrelavent old hag. Also from what I and many others here have seen is that your positions come from a place of ignorance and stupidity. At times I think you just come to these types of blogs just to keep making people angry and think you the buffoonish fool you seem to be. Are you self Flaggilating yourself for your own deficincies? I dont know, maybe its your job to do this. In an event Kevyn, speak only when you are spoken to as we are trying to have an adult dialog.


Kevyn wrote:
First of all it is difficult to have a serious conversation with anyone who is “informed” by watching asinine you tube videos. You owe it to yourself and anyone you wish to interact with to visit the library and do serious research before you open your mouth. No thinking people are interested in crackpot conspiracy theories.



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Feb 6, 2018 23:58:13   #
2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland
 
Again Ms. Linda you are absolutely correct. It really amazes me that people allow themselves to be corrupted. I for one have been tempted to go to the dark side and quite frankly did at one point of my life. I was a very miserable person I can tell you that. After the novelty wore off I felt completey lost. There is obviously a brain function that isnt working when it comes to sympathy and or empithy for others thats for sure.
Semper Fi


lindajoy wrote:
Greed begets corruption.. Money and power is as old as the developed Nations..
We allowed it by not paying attention once they were vested with the power we gave them..



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