James Comey's FBI rigged the Election (Page 3): Apparently the Trump campaign did not bother to check the records of those they hired very well. With 2 indicted,2 pleading guilty they...

Mary Anne

woodguru wrote:

The most outrageous thing in your lifetime, Really? As is now being well covered in mainstream media, Page had been under FBI/CIA scrutiny for years for spy activities. It would have been pretty standard procedure to look at him considering his trips to Russia during the transition and after Trump took office. Page's area of expertise was sanctions, and meetings with Russians concerned the lifting of said sanctions. So the idea, the outrage of keeping an eye on a guy who was spying and supporting anti Russian sanction efforts.

Did you catch the part where the Steele Dossier was originally initiated and paid for before the primary by Republicans who wanted dirt on Trump, because the RNC wanted to discredit him? After the primary when he won they no longer wanted to discredit him. Whether these facts were used by republicans or democrats they are still the same facts.

Comey in fact was rather reviled for supposedly reopening a done investigation on Hillary's emails, violating the Hatch act which protects against partisan activities that might swing an election right before it takes place. On the other hand there was information by the FBI that Trump people had disturbing ties to Russia (facts we now know). In fact Trump tried to say that rather than him firing Comey to end the Russia investigation (which he also had openly admitted), he did it because Comey had acted in an unacceptably partisan manner when he released the Hillary email thing prior to the election, thereby hurting Hillary. You can't have it both ways, that Comey was both a right and left wing tool. The left thought Comey should have been prosecuted for Hatch act violations.

It's okay for law enforcement people to be biased as all hell, they can have their opinions about a president as long as they treat the facts like facts and go where the information leads. The FBI is not on Trump's team, they sit in the middle of teams and are expected to find the facts and deal with them accordingly.

And you want to know the reality of good law enforcement people? When they actually do hate people from the other party, they are extra careful to make sure that their bias is not brought into the equation. If all the top people at the FBI were replaced with people on Trump's team, it wouldn't matter what the evidence was, it would never be used.

The most outrageous thing in your lifetime, Really... (show quote)

Apparently the Trump campaign did not bother to check the records of those they hired very well.

With 2 indicted,2 pleading guilty they do not have a very good record.

BTW , Jared Kushner still does not have full clearance after 14 months.

Mary Anne

Mike Easterday wrote:

New meaning of F.B.I. , F#cking Bunch of Immorals .

Great deal of imagination going on there to avoid the real subject of Russia interfering in our election.

I take it you are just fine with that.

Mary Anne

byronglimish wrote:

Are you aware..'most likely not'..that the difference between a fake investigation and one with Integrity... Huma Abedin wasn't put under oath..when she lied to the FBI..nor was the Murderess.. Flynn was put under oath...and he was charged..it was for lying about communication with the ruskies..the communication didn't break any laws..the lying did...but Hillarygate and Abedin both lied about.. Hillarygate's and her Treasonous behavior.

The subject is the Russian Investigation, no matter how often you go off into Layla land.

Mary Anne

byronglimish wrote:

Everyone knows that Hillarygate was in charge of all financial dealings of the DNC...she is the one who paid for the phony dossier..John McCain was in Collusion with Hillarygate..

Link? Is that like someone says?

woodguru

byronglimish wrote:

The Murderess..aka.hillarygate let out top secret emails like a total buffoon...she didn't have the integrity and trustworthiness to be Secretary of State or President ...she hasn't ever cared about allowing good people to die in Libya..the collusion delusion is a Clinton Crime Network Cover-up..

I'm pretty sure you can't supply anything relevant to where Hillary was responsible for those deaths. I'm pretty sure that in the first place I never saw where the Secretary of State has any responsibility for the actions that take place at an embassy. There are CIA people, Marines, and other security entities involved in the places where a difference could be made. When the CIA outpost was asked to send men to help, they originally refused because the CO wouldn't leave his post under manned. Now had Democrats been in charge of Congress they could have been easily blamed for refusing to fund the $380 million that was requested to increase embassy security. But seeing as how that doesn't play well that republicans were the ones that refused that funding it didn't get much outrage from the right. Oh, and by the way, this wasn't the first time embassy officials have died from clearer negligence than this. Bush told a month ahead of a car bombing at an embassy that something was up. He neglected to do anything, and almost 200 people died when the event intelligence had been talking about actually happened. The president was exonerated of responsibility even though he had been advised to take actions he had neglected to do. Obama never would have gotten away with that considering what the GOP tried to make out of Hillary's non responsibility. My guess is that there is no way byron can explain why this was Hillary's responsibility in any way. I have a lot of hard right hunting and fishing friends, and it does nothing but piss people off when they make statements like this and then are asked to provide details about what they are talking about.

Meanwhile we have a Russia investigation that people should want to know what went on. We let Benghazi go on for years when no evidence could be found, Benghazi led to the email scandal as far as classified information. Have you caught how many people in this current admin are using the same exact kind of private server? Kushner can't get his Top Secret security clearance, yet he gets the most sensitive types of information? Nunes pressures the FBI into getting sensitive classified documents related to the DOJ/FBI's investigation and runs them right to the white house, which is a violation of security because the intelligence committee has an obligation to keep that information secret from those being investigated.

And the Nunes memo (two versions). How would that have played if dems wrote an irrelevant memo, got approval to send it over to the president for approval or redaction of the parts that were classified, and the top dems forged a modified document that went to the president, one that nobody had seen or authorized. I'm pretty sure that democrat would be prosecuted for fraud in a manner that reflected sabotage. There is so much about this that is not okay, but changing that document and submitting a modified version??? Daayum

Hillary and Benghazi/email scandals are over with, let's worry about what's going on currently, because that crap has nothing to do with the things we need to pay attention to now. It's a bit embarrassing to still be talking about Benghazi and email servers when we have a bigger scandal, and Trump people doing the same email server things that Hillary did.

So her's a question, and this shouldn't be that hard to answer. If Kushner, Ivanka, Gowdy, Nunes, or any other top level official were found to be doing the same exact misuse of private email servers to relay sensitive information that Hillary did, should they be prosecuted and put in jail, or because Hillary got away with it so should they? My point here is that anything you think was a crime when the other side does it needs to be prosecuted to the degree that you think it should whether someone got away with it or not. When you start using an equivalency system it's subject to false equivalency. Perhaps the evidence of wrongdoing would be much more clear in one case than the other, which would explain one being prosecuted and the other not. When you start letting a side get away with something because the other side's person did, you are in effect saying it doesn't matter anymore if someone breaks the law.

Franken was forced to resign, yet Farenthold did far worse and there's no heat on him to resign. In fact he used taxpayer funds to settle out.
I tend to stick to facts that can be easily supported, facts that people should know already. I am of the opinion that debates where people are allowed to discuss facts should never be cause for anger. In a debate there should be no problem intelligently supporting a position. If a person can't they need to take a real hard look at the facts that support their beliefs, if they can't actually find any maybe they should question their sources?

moldyoldy

nwtk2007 wrote:

And heck, Bill Clinton was already on the Ruskie payroll to the tune of $500,000 for a speech.

Reagan got two million for a speech, most ex presidents get that much.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

woodguru wrote:

I'm pretty sure you can't supply anything relevant to where Hillary was responsible for those deaths. I'm pretty sure that in the first place I never saw where the Secretary of State has any responsibility for the actions that take place at an embassy. There are CIA people, Marines, and other security entities involved in the places where a difference could be made. When the CIA outpost was asked to send men to help, they originally refused because the CO wouldn't leave his post under manned. Now had Democrats been in charge of Congress they could have been easily blamed for refusing to fund the $380 million that was requested to increase embassy security. But seeing as how that doesn't play well that republicans were the ones that refused that funding it didn't get much outrage from the right. Oh, and by the way, this wasn't the first time embassy officials have died from clearer negligence than this. Bush told a month ahead of a car bombing at an embassy that something was up. He neglected to do anything, and almost 200 people died when the event intelligence had been talking about actually happened. The president was exonerated of responsibility even though he had been advised to take actions he had neglected to do. Obama never would have gotten away with that considering what the GOP tried to make out of Hillary's non responsibility. My guess is that there is no way byron can explain why this was Hillary's responsibility in any way. I have a lot of hard right hunting and fishing friends, and it does nothing but piss people off when they make statements like this and then are asked to provide details about what they are talking about.

Meanwhile we have a Russia investigation that people should want to know what went on. We let Benghazi go on for years when no evidence could be found, Benghazi led to the email scandal as far as classified information. Have you caught how many people in this current admin are using the same exact kind of private server? Kushner can't get his Top Secret security clearance, yet he gets the most sensitive types of information? Nunes pressures the FBI into getting sensitive classified documents related to the DOJ/FBI's investigation and runs them right to the white house, which is a violation of security because the intelligence committee has an obligation to keep that information secret from those being investigated.

And the Nunes memo (two versions). How would that have played if dems wrote an irrelevant memo, got approval to send it over to the president for approval or redaction of the parts that were classified, and the top dems forged a modified document that went to the president, one that nobody had seen or authorized. I'm pretty sure that democrat would be prosecuted for fraud in a manner that reflected sabotage. There is so much about this that is not okay, but changing that document and submitting a modified version??? Daayum

Hillary and Benghazi/email scandals are over with, let's worry about what's going on currently, because that crap has nothing to do with the things we need to pay attention to now. It's a bit embarrassing to still be talking about Benghazi and email servers when we have a bigger scandal, and Trump people doing the same email server things that Hillary did.

So her's a question, and this shouldn't be that hard to answer. If Kushner, Ivanka, Gowdy, Nunes, or any other top level official were found to be doing the same exact misuse of private email servers to relay sensitive information that Hillary did, should they be prosecuted and put in jail, or because Hillary got away with it so should they? My point here is that anything you think was a crime when the other side does it needs to be prosecuted to the degree that you think it should whether someone got away with it or not. When you start using an equivalency system it's subject to false equivalency. Perhaps the evidence of wrongdoing would be much more clear in one case than the other, which would explain one being prosecuted and the other not. When you start letting a side get away with something because the other side's person did, you are in effect saying it doesn't matter anymore if someone breaks the law.

Franken was forced to resign, yet Farenthold did far worse and there's no heat on him to resign. In fact he used taxpayer funds to settle out.
I tend to stick to facts that can be easily supported, facts that people should know already. I am of the opinion that debates where people are allowed to discuss facts should never be cause for anger. In a debate there should be no problem intelligently supporting a position. If a person can't they need to take a real hard look at the facts that support their beliefs, if they can't actually find any maybe they should question their sources?

I'm pretty sure you can't supply anything relevant... (show quote)

The story isn't over yet..The left is full well aware of the treachery of it's leaders.

Could even a prog...deny the underhanded cheating of Bernie Sanders in Florida??

Could even a prog..deny that Debbie Wasserman Shultz pulled this underhanded deal for Hillarygate...and that Hillarygate was in charge of everything 'DNC'..?

Why would a person bring up Hillarygate in the Russian collusion delusion..???

Well even the Progs know why...

Even ol slick Willie..was amazed at Hillarygate's treasonous behavior and if a prog doesn't already know..that crooked hillary isn't just a accusation..it is a fact..

If Donald Trump would have paid for a reckless and inaccurate dossier on hillary...to slander and misrepresent..the truth about her...Mueller would have been all over it..

The truth is...The Clinton Crime Chronicles..reveal enough evidence for indictment's going back to the Rose law firm..

Criminal behavior has been staple of the Clinton's and truth be told..ol bill is scared of Hillarygate his own bad self..

So, here it is ... I would like to challenge any prog to bring a time that Slick Willie and Hillarygate were doing business...when.some real shady happenings.. didn't take place..

PRM2014

Agreed; For sure I'm convinced Obama was the absolute worse, of all before him. And he still thinks he is the President.
He thinks he is still in charge, and he is a big part of the deep state. Also a big part of the SWAMP, that must be gone.

I say he should be in prison for the rest of his life. Cut off all his money, and feed him bread and water, that is enough to keep alive
for a while anyway. He was and still is worthless for these United States of America.

moldyoldy

PRM2014 wrote:

Agreed; For sure I'm convinced Obama was the absolute worse, of all before him. And he still thinks he is the President.
He thinks he is still in charge, and he is a big part of the deep state. Also a big part of the SWAMP, that must be gone.

I say he should be in prison for the rest of his life. Cut off all his money, and feed him bread and water, that is enough to keep alive
for a while anyway. He was and still is worthless for these United States of America.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

PRM2014 wrote:

Agreed; For sure I'm convinced Obama was the absolute worse, of all before him. And he still thinks he is the President.
He thinks he is still in charge, and he is a big part of the deep state. Also a big part of the SWAMP, that must be gone.

I say he should be in prison for the rest of his life. Cut off all his money, and feed him bread and water, that is enough to keep alive
for a while anyway. He was and still is worthless for these United States of America.

Obama and his wing man..Eric Holder are currently trying to undermine our voting process...The Progs have the numbers for running roughshod over a fair election..when voters in certain populated States will allow basically anyone to vote..they register illegal immigrants when they aquire a license or State ID..

PRM2014

Well thank you for your response, Now go soak your head, and so the swelling will go down.
You are as bad as Obama the Blowhard, the worthless lying Demoncrat.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

moldyoldy wrote:

Reagan got two million for a speech, most ex presidents get that much.

Not from Russia.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

patrioticmind wrote:

The fact of the Matter is the FBI was silent about... (show quote)

Yes, Trump might have taken NJ, CT, RI, NJ , and several other states in addition to the states he won making it a big landslide!.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

nwtk2007 wrote:

Not from Russia.

It was for an ADVERTISEMENT made in Japan for Japanese consumtion after he left office.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

PRM2014 wrote:

Agreed; For sure I'm convinced Obama was the absolute worse, of all before him. And he still thinks he is the President.
He thinks he is still in charge, and he is a big part of the deep state. Also a big part of the SWAMP, that must be gone.

I say he should be in prison for the rest of his life. Cut off all his money, and feed him bread and water, that is enough to keep alive
for a while anyway. He was and still is worthless for these United States of America.

Worst president in American history. Obama will , hopefully, be the worst forever.