pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ

Typical response coming from a "New AmeriKa" "airfart"

1969skoops

You still need 60 votes in the senate to pass anything.

SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan

I don't think the congressional traitors are only Democrats. The Republicans voted solidly for the recent tax reform bill. In that bill, the tax breaks for the middle class have an expiration date; the tax breaks for corporations are permanent. The CBO said the total effect of the bill would increase our national deficit by trillions of dollars. That would trigger further sequestration budget cuts. These cuts include a reduction in the amounts Medicare pays to medical providers. This means I could end up paying more for my healthcare. Increases in medical costs far outpace the 1-2% increases in Social Security benefits. I don't see how I'm better off.

Lonewolf

A deal was taken to trump right after midnight and he turned it down after hardly looking at it, after saying in public he would sign what ever they come up with.
Trump wanted this and he got it.

cbpat1

i think the republicans should go nuclear

RETW Loc: Washington

Course you were there right? You know all that was said? " NO. "

Just how lame are you? Of course, it was the democrats. The democrats would like nothing better than to see the government shut down. They act like children throwing a temper tantrum.

The question is, why? The answer is because they would rather see illegal aliens be allowed to stay in our country. Do you think for one minute they give a shit about them? They don't. All they want is the vote they will get from them when it comes time. So what's that tell ya? Is that good for the country?
NO.

Ask yourself this also. Why would they want to let near one million people stay in our country, knowing
we the taxpayer will have to foot the bill? Why would we the taxpayer, want to give all illegal aliens
special treatment over our own citizens? You're telling us, you prefer this over protecting our own?

As far as the wall is concerned, let's not forget that Congress has already voted to build it. All that is left is to fund it. Talk about the party of NO. The main reason we have the problem on our borders is that the democrats won't vote to fund it.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You need to do some real searching for what DACA is about.. Clearly you have no idea..


In the short term.. read this..


Here is Donald Trump owning the shutdown! When asked about the shutdown, Trump says:

Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top. I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead. And he's not doing that.

When they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the President of the United States, who the President was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the Head of the House, the Head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the President.

So there you have it, Trump's bottom line on any government shutdown, ever. And it's especially applicable this time. Trump told the Congress, flat out, that any bipartisan bill they presented, he would sign. The leadership on both sides met with Trump, they hammered out a bipartisan agreement, the Congress leaders went back to start writing up the actual legislation (this apparently takes about three days)… but the shithole hit the fan, Trump spoke to someone after Durbin, McConnell, et al left, and Trump called to cancel that deal.

A week later, Schumer met with Trump, at Trump's invitation, to try and figure out how to get Trump on board for the deal. They made some progress, Schumer was willing to give Trump everything he had asked for on “The Wall”… a few hours later, Trump calls up with a big pile of new requests. As Schumer said, dealing with Trump is like dealing with Jello. This is completely on Trump.

Also consider that Trump and the Republicans created this crisis in the first place, over nothing. Trump cancelled DACA. He didn't need to, he could have pressed Congress to replace it without putting a time bomb on those kids, but this was intentional. Trump wanted to make 800,000 young people a political football. Similarly, the Republicans had all kinds of money for other things: $700 billion for the military, $3 trillion for big business, $450 million just to hand out to real estate speculators, but $13.6 billion for the very successful CHIP program, supporting 9 million American kids, could not be found… and thus became another political football. Neither of these problems were natural, they were intentionally created.

I think what we have seen with Trump is simple: he never actually did real negotiations. He wanted a business deal, usually something pretty arbitrary, and so he'd meet, make a deal, agree on the deal, then change the terms vastly in his favor at the last or walk away. Or just not honor the established contract, just cheat you out of the final payment. True, if he really wanted the deal, he’d make the stupidest deals in the history mankind, as he did when he bought the Taj Mahal casino. But usually, he just bullied the deal, and walked away or cheated if he didn't get all he wanted. And THAT is what he thinks negotiation is supposed to be.

So of course Trump won't own the 2018 shutdown. After all, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans gave him everything he wanted without also dropping their other demands, so clearly, they were not negotiating correctly. It has to be their fault, because nothing has ever, any time, anywhere, been Trump's fault.

It cannot be, because it is always someone else’s fault, and it is very, very clear at this point that Trump does not have the slightest understanding of cause and effect. And that itself is profound. It is impossible to learn via experimentation, by experience, if you have no concept of cause and effect. The feedback loop is complete broken with this one.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

The dems do nothing but block and obstruct.. That’s the agenda and nothing more!!

Your party owns this shut down, so save it perm.. Twist, lie and deflect is olddddddd...

Take a walk, talk to real citizens and see what really is..

Good grief you are unbelievable!!!!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Not at all, most of the nation understands that the orange man is in power due to distortiion and lies.

His failure to do as he said he would is simply the customary act of one who has lived via lies and gifts from fate.

He has done nothing on his own and this is no different..

Saying he will do something proper if the Dems give some for him, then he rejects as he has for all his life..

Just as the republicans refused Obama after he delivered the compromises the asked for. Trump follows the role..

So as stated, trump owns the Government shutdown.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Ppppfffttttt~~

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

When is the last time the Democrats actually did something for minorities, other than give them crumbs for breeding fatherless children?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

You can pretend that Trump made Sen Smucker fillibuster the bill to keep the government shut if it makes you feel like you've won something.

But if you ever put on your big-boy pants and start dealing with reality like an adult perhaps your party would pay attention to you, instead of expecting you to lie for them as they fail America over and over again.

PeterS

Nicely stated. Welcome to the board...

RETW Loc: Washington

You can only speak for your self nim-rod. The only thing you got right in your post is there was a
bipartisan agreement.

But as always, you fail to tell the whole story. For it was your spooky pooky Chucky Schomer and little dicky turban that screwed the thing up with there demands after the bipartisan agreement.

You SOB's don't take responsibility at all for your screw ups.

That's why you and the rest of you nim-rods are in the swamp.


The only thing clear is your ignorance.


So tell us all genius, why do want to protect illegal aliens? And why do you want to put them first over others that have come to our shores legally?

boofhead

What a mind-numbing statement. Surely you are not so deficient in mental abilities that you mean what you said? Or so evil?

Who would not fight for the unborn? The most innocent among us, who by Democrat definition includes babies just born as well as those still in the womb. We all agree that Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and the like were unmitigated savages but thanks to Democrats, we murder more than a million innocent babies every year in this country alone! If we judged Democrats by the same standards we judge Hitler, Democrats would be worse!

There is no connection between being born and living their lives. What is the "funding" you speak of? What baby needs "funding"? And who is denying "funding" to babies? If the baby is born into a moral family with a mother and father, there is no need for "funding". "Funding" is actually in real terms "stealing", because it takes from those who have (who have worked for the money, who take responsibility for themselves) and giving it to deadbeats. That is another entire matter, and one where the Democrats must also take responsibility because it is their practices that create the need for any "funding" by denying family, morality, Christianity and a solid work ethic in the first place.

I don't know what adjective comes to mind first when I think of the word Democrat. It is a toss up between Stupid or Evil.