Morgan

Yes, American's will be yelling...Trump.. tear.. down.. that ..wall I hope the Mexican president has a short memory

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Always nice to see you slip in at the most opportune times... You do add so much to the discussions....

How many Scientist are on the take FOR global warming?? Did you check any of them out too??
I mean it’s no secret about the large network of hired pundits and scientists helping to spread the fear mongering, right?? The supposed CO2’s alarming effect is what they use to justify the scam isn’t it?? Scientist arent sponsored by anyone right?? It’s just government concern that gives all this funding or had given all that funding that is now pulled back... and now requires justification in research, right??

The government’s picking winners and losers in the energy market has cost taxpayers billions of dollars, and the rate of failure, cronyism, and corruption at the companies receiving the subsidies is substantial. The fact that some oh say like Solyndra that Bo forked over millions to has absolutely no bearing does it??

Or how about these companies and all those millions later, what is there?? Well they are either gone or faltering soon to be belly up .. And who got all that money ??? Well the good buddy syndrome alone gave them all a hefty income didn’t it?? Are their CEOs or Past chairmen of the board broke now too,?? What, no and that surprises who ????

Many of these names I know you know about maybe you could enlighten us here too??

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

A hell of a lot of money don’tcha think???
And oh “The 2009 stimulus set aside $80 billion to subsidize politically preferred energy projects. Since that time, 1,900 investigations have been opened to look into stimulus waste, fraud, and abuse (although not all are linked to the green-energy funds), and nearly 600 convictions have been made. Of that $80 billion in clean energy loans, grants, and tax credits, at least 10 percent has gone to companies that have since either gone bankrupt or are circling the drain....”

Hope you’re healthy and well for this New Year of many great things to come..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Indeed, never say never... Things change instantly, others take years of preparation and research and investigation....

What you Hypothesize about may well take place..

I’m told the Hawaiian Islands are moving north and as the lava seeps into the pacific it is causing mountains to grow inches every year.. Eventually they will all be one mass area.. Thousands of years later but still ~~~

And beneath the plate of Hawaii lies another mound of already formed land just waiting to erupt..

S. Maturin

Hopeless. This is what effective propaganda can bring to the world of communication. AlGore was/is a genius.. a master of mind manipulation and propaganda.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I think the climate change debate is quite interesting. But the believers do them selves no favors by pointing to Gore as an expert. He is a hypocrite on this subject. No argument there. Dozens of examples. I'm one of the lucky ones. I don't give one second of thought per day about man made global warming. I don't believe man contributes enough to upset the weather patterns. I also don't care if I am wrong. I will happily fight air and water pollution. If the Paris accords had called for billions to be used to clean up the oceans I'd have been in. No, they just want a slush fund for third world shit holes run by dictators. Ever been to Haiti? Billions and billions given to that little island. Has it done any good. No, unless you're a deposed Haiti dictator. Same with throwing money at the UN for climate change. These climate change, global warming acolytes (especially here on OPP) are so rigid in their belief that it is blasphemy to even disagree with them. It is their new religion. I have also noticed, none, absolutely non here on OPP have a clue how to stop it if it exists without wrecking entire economies.

S. Maturin

Even though I sat through many talks/presentations/lectures by old AlGore, I can honestly say I never once got the impression a real human being occupied his suit. Not once.

A house of cards possesses more human characteristics than AlGore.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Hard to trust a guy, who with tears in his eyes, says the oceans are going to rise and flood all coasts. Then immediately builds a mansion on beach front property.

emarine

Yes geology is an interesting subject as well as climatology... when contradictory data is exposed to Global Warming issues worldwide from a industry backed source one must sit back & relax and try and think abut a possible "conflict of interest"... especially when Charles Koch is involved...think...

Morgan

some interesting stuff and how we'll be falling behind in renewable energy

China Is Creating the World's Largest Power Company
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2017/08/china-is-creating-the-world-s-largest-power-company.html

wow

Noraa Loc: Kansas

Who is letting DDT's back in. I have not heard this.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Be nice if people would show both sides:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html

Morgan

Trump along with his newly appointed Head of the EPA Scott Pruitt has...

Allowed a dangerous pesticide to stay on the market, despite it being a threat to children’s health. Chlorpyrifos a common agricultural pesticide that causes neurological harm in children exposed in utero. In 2016, the EPA’s scientists concluded that the agency should ban chlorpyrifos after finding unsafe levels of the chemical on apples, peaches, oranges, strawberries, and other fruits. Dow Chemical, one of the largest producers of products using this chemical, gave $1 million to President Trump’s inauguration committee and leads a presidential advisory committee on manufacturing. On March 28, Trump’s EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt rejected the findings of the agency’s scientists, denied a petition to ban the chemical, and delayed further action until 2022

Morgan

Well said e~

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

This pesticide has been in use since 1965. Why is it now dangerous? I have no problem with banning it if it's negative side effects are truely proven.
I trust most environmental groups just a little less than chemical companies.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida