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Dec 29, 2017 18:48:19   #
debeda
 
maryjane wrote:
Why did you not have a problem with the many lies of George Bush and Obama? Why is it that only THIS president is a liar?? Now, if you really want to discuss people who lie to you, let's talk about Congress, okay??? Those people can not seem to speak more than two sentences without lying and always with a perfectly straight face. And when they are called on a lie, they just lie again. Absolutely no shame. So, it is probably best if we do not try to put the liar label on just one person, okay?
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Dec 29, 2017 20:09:18   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
How would you know.


Anyone and everyone, go back and look.
Almost anything he said was a lie.

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Dec 29, 2017 20:26:44   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Glaucon wrote:
I know he is a lying psycho from listening and watching his speeches. I hope you haven't watched some of some of his speeches and you still don't realize Trump is the all time champion liar .


Oh, I agree he lies, he's a primo douche.

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Dec 29, 2017 20:51:27   #
debeda
 
America 1 wrote:
Anyone and everyone, go back and look.
Almost anything he said was a lie.


Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled? He's one of the first presidents in a long while not to say one thing when campaigning then change. Prez Trump, as outspoken as he Is, is the engine to rev up the economy and bring back common sense to many issues. He changed the whole national dialogue in the recent election cycle. The left's rabid hatred of him is some weird knee jerk reaction. Nothing real. Regardless, it's pretty intolerant of the elite and the MSM to not give him a chance to see how it goes.

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Dec 29, 2017 20:54:42   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
debeda wrote:
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled? He's one of the first presidents in a long while not to say one thing when campaigning then change. Prez Trump, as outspoken as he Is, is the engine to rev up the economy and bring back common sense to many issues. He changed the whole national dialogue in the recent election cycle. The left's rabid hatred of him is some weird knee jerk reaction. Nothing real. Regardless, it's pretty intolerant of the elite and the MSM to not give him a chance to see how it goes.
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled... (show quote)


Well, yea, let's see how many more elections he fails, he's doing a great job for basically no one but himself.

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Dec 29, 2017 21:26:07   #
Glaucon
 
debeda wrote:
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled? He's one of the first presidents in a long while not to say one thing when campaigning then change. Prez Trump, as outspoken as he Is, is the engine to rev up the economy and bring back common sense to many issues. He changed the whole national dialogue in the recent election cycle. The left's rabid hatred of him is some weird knee jerk reaction. Nothing real. Regardless, it's pretty intolerant of the elite and the MSM to not give him a chance to see how it goes.
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled... (show quote)


A true believer despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Amazing.

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Dec 29, 2017 22:22:56   #
debeda
 
Glaucon wrote:
A true believer despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Amazing.


What evidence? I listed my problems with the left's agenda earlier in this thread. Specifically how is Prez Trump not fulfilling his campaign promises?

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Dec 29, 2017 22:31:01   #
Abel
 
Hi Hardwork. It is easy to see how the Democrats and the MSM, being attached at the hip, can be dishonest, if you dig in a little bit. They are not stupid, but unfortunately they have all been educated (brainwashed) in Communist Progressive schools, and to use Alynsky's "Rules for Radicals" methods to gang rape, terrorize, pillage, and murder the USA. They are at war with the USA, but the government just hasn't yet admitted it. They do get a lot of practice in their black arts of terrorism, hate and deceit, funded by the likes of Soros and other super wealthy elites up to their necks, and thoroughly believe that the "ends justify the means" in Politically Correct campaigns that never end. They simply hate this country as it was founded, and intend to kill it toand reform it into their idiotological socialist utopian new world order. Those with Rhodes Scholarships are extremely well trained in Communist methods and idiotology or they wouldn't have gotten the scholarship from this Communist Institution. Their basic philosophy is to simply keep the country distracted and in the government that doesn't believe in their line of BS stirred up and divided, which is why they are known as "regressive Progressives" or "Political Obstructionists." RINOs are just Democrat Obstructionists who have infiltrated the GOP, and the GOP is too weak and spineless to kick them out. The swamp, the cesspool on the hill, really needs to be drained!
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Hardwork1 wrote:
As I try to follow current events in America and the rest of the world I constantly realize that I would have to suspend reality to actually believe the majority of what is being “reported”. Please know that I use the word “reported” very loosely in this article.

The Trump Russia Collusion story is a perfect example of how far to the Left the Democratic Party and MSM have gone. We have a special prosecutor that is accountable to no one and has an unlimited budget (of taxpayer dollars). He can investigate, and possibly file criminal charges against anyone he chooses. He is an egomaniac that has assembled one of the most biased and expensive group of lawyers in the history of the “Washington Cesspool”. All because the Obama Administration and the Democrats claimed that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election.

Yes, Russia does “meddle” in other countries elections and lots of other things, but the U.S. and many other countries do that too! If you want to know which country is the “meddler in chief” just do a goggle search, “the U.S history of interfering in other countries elections”. You will be amazed to find how much WE have been doing that and how long! There are several articles that list six specific examples of the Obama Administration interfering in foreign elections, including Israel’s last Prime Minister election and Macedonia’s Democratic Presidential election. Obama actually spent U.S. tax payer dollars, and in some instances sent Americans to work on election campaigns of the people he preferred to win those six elections! Hillary was the Secretary of State when some of this U.S. involvement in other countries’ elections was happening. Where were the Democrats and the MSM when these events were actually happening?
Another example of the Left’s and MSM’s obsession with twisting the truth to make it fit their desired outcome is the constant and loud stream of misinformation they are “reporting”. The vocal Democrats and the MSM “reporting” is all about how bad everything is in America, how unpopular President Trump is and how many seats the Democrats are going to win back in the U.S. House and Senate in Nov 2018. I also noticed that they rarely provide much information to validate the “polls” they are referring to in their effort to prove their points? I would think that they would have learned in November 2016 that this is not a winning strategy!

I began this article with a specific question because I simply do not believe that there are that many Americans now who are so uninformed,, or totally Left leaning Liberal that will believe the Democrat’s and MSM’s massive “lie and redirect” campaign. However, after I thought about it more I realized that the Left is using basic advertising techniques in their efforts to take back control of our government. A key rule of advertising is to maximize “reach and frequency”, which means how many times you’re advertising will be seen or heard by what people. The more times your target audience sees or hears your message the higher the odds are that they will positively respond to it. The Democrats and the MSM know this and are obviously making a concerted effort to convince enough people in America that they are right and to vote for their ideas! If we Conservatives do not stay vigilant and active they just might take back America with these tactics!
As I try to follow current events in America and t... (show quote)

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Dec 29, 2017 22:32:41   #
debeda
 
Abel wrote:
Hi Hardwork. It is easy to see how the Democrats and the MSM, being attached at the hip, can be dishonest, if you dig in a little bit. They are not stupid, but unfortunately they have all been educated (brainwashed) in Communist Progressive schools, and to use Alynsky's "Rules for Radicals" methods to gang rape, terrorize, pillage, and murder the USA. They are at war with the USA, but the government just hasn't yet admitted it. They do get a lot of practice in their black arts of terrorism, hate and deceit, funded by the likes of Soros and other super wealthy elites up to their necks, and thoroughly believe that the "ends justify the means" in Politically Correct campaigns that never end. They simply hate this country as it was founded, and intend to kill it toand reform it into their idiotological socialist utopian new world order. Those with Rhodes Scholarships are extremely well trained in Communist methods and idiotology or they wouldn't have gotten the scholarship from this Communist Institution. Their basic philosophy is to simply keep the country distracted and in the government that doesn't believe in their line of BS stirred up and divided, which is why they are known as "regressive Progressives" or "Political Obstructionists." RINOs are just Democrat Obstructionists who have infiltrated the GOP, and the GOP is too weak and spineless to kick them out. The swamp, the cesspool on the hill, really needs to be drained!
*******************************************************************************
Hardwork1 wrote:
As I try to follow current events in America and the rest of the world I constantly realize that I would have to suspend reality to actually believe the majority of what is being “reported”. Please know that I use the word “reported” very loosely in this article.

The Trump Russia Collusion story is a perfect example of how far to the Left the Democratic Party and MSM have gone. We have a special prosecutor that is accountable to no one and has an unlimited budget (of taxpayer dollars). He can investigate, and possibly file criminal charges against anyone he chooses. He is an egomaniac that has assembled one of the most biased and expensive group of lawyers in the history of the “Washington Cesspool”. All because the Obama Administration and the Democrats claimed that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election.

Yes, Russia does “meddle” in other countries elections and lots of other things, but the U.S. and many other countries do that too! If you want to know which country is the “meddler in chief” just do a goggle search, “the U.S history of interfering in other countries elections”. You will be amazed to find how much WE have been doing that and how long! There are several articles that list six specific examples of the Obama Administration interfering in foreign elections, including Israel’s last Prime Minister election and Macedonia’s Democratic Presidential election. Obama actually spent U.S. tax payer dollars, and in some instances sent Americans to work on election campaigns of the people he preferred to win those six elections! Hillary was the Secretary of State when some of this U.S. involvement in other countries’ elections was happening. Where were the Democrats and the MSM when these events were actually happening?
Another example of the Left’s and MSM’s obsession with twisting the truth to make it fit their desired outcome is the constant and loud stream of misinformation they are “reporting”. The vocal Democrats and the MSM “reporting” is all about how bad everything is in America, how unpopular President Trump is and how many seats the Democrats are going to win back in the U.S. House and Senate in Nov 2018. I also noticed that they rarely provide much information to validate the “polls” they are referring to in their effort to prove their points? I would think that they would have learned in November 2016 that this is not a winning strategy!

I began this article with a specific question because I simply do not believe that there are that many Americans now who are so uninformed,, or totally Left leaning Liberal that will believe the Democrat’s and MSM’s massive “lie and redirect” campaign. However, after I thought about it more I realized that the Left is using basic advertising techniques in their efforts to take back control of our government. A key rule of advertising is to maximize “reach and frequency”, which means how many times you’re advertising will be seen or heard by what people. The more times your target audience sees or hears your message the higher the odds are that they will positively respond to it. The Democrats and the MSM know this and are obviously making a concerted effort to convince enough people in America that they are right and to vote for their ideas! If we Conservatives do not stay vigilant and active they just might take back America with these tactics!
As I try to follow current events in America and t... (show quote)
Hi Hardwork. It is easy to see how the Democrats a... (show quote)



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Dec 29, 2017 22:36:09   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
debeda wrote:
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled? He's one of the first presidents in a long while not to say one thing when campaigning then change. Prez Trump, as outspoken as he Is, is the engine to rev up the economy and bring back common sense to many issues. He changed the whole national dialogue in the recent election cycle. The left's rabid hatred of him is some weird knee jerk reaction. Nothing real. Regardless, it's pretty intolerant of the elite and the MSM to not give him a chance to see how it goes.
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled... (show quote)


Exactly, and note the ones yelling "liar" never give exampels, that should be easy enough.

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Dec 29, 2017 23:01:59   #
moldyoldy
 
peter11937 wrote:
Exactly, and note the ones yelling "liar" never give exampels, that should be easy enough.


President Trump gave an impromptu half-hour interview with the New York Times on Dec. 28. We combed through the transcript and here’s a quick roundup of the false, misleading or dubious claims that he made, at a rate of one every 75 seconds. (Some of the interview was off the record, so it’s possible the rate of false claims per minute is higher.)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/in-a-30-minute-interview-president-trump-made-24-false-or-misleading-claims/ar-BBHuIgy?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

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Dec 29, 2017 23:19:15   #
Glaucon
 
debeda wrote:
What evidence? I listed my problems with the left's agenda earlier in this thread. Specifically how is Prez Trump not fulfilling his campaign promises?


A first one would be the wall Mexico is going to pay for. Have you heard of :Politifact? It can keep you from being silly and embarrassing yourself.

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Dec 29, 2017 23:23:39   #
Glaucon
 
Abel wrote:
Hi Hardwork. It is easy to see how the Democrats and the MSM, being attached at the hip, can be dishonest, if you dig in a little bit. They are not stupid, but unfortunately they have all been educated (brainwashed) in Communist Progressive schools, and to use Alynsky's "Rules for Radicals" methods to gang rape, terrorize, pillage, and murder the USA. They are at war with the USA, but the government just hasn't yet admitted it. They do get a lot of practice in their black arts of terrorism, hate and deceit, funded by the likes of Soros and other super wealthy elites up to their necks, and thoroughly believe that the "ends justify the means" in Politically Correct campaigns that never end. They simply hate this country as it was founded, and intend to kill it toand reform it into their idiotological socialist utopian new world order. Those with Rhodes Scholarships are extremely well trained in Communist methods and idiotology or they wouldn't have gotten the scholarship from this Communist Institution. Their basic philosophy is to simply keep the country distracted and in the government that doesn't believe in their line of BS stirred up and divided, which is why they are known as "regressive Progressives" or "Political Obstructionists." RINOs are just Democrat Obstructionists who have infiltrated the GOP, and the GOP is too weak and spineless to kick them out. The swamp, the cesspool on the hill, really needs to be drained!
*******************************************************************************
Hardwork1 wrote:
As I try to follow current events in America and the rest of the world I constantly realize that I would have to suspend reality to actually believe the majority of what is being “reported”. Please know that I use the word “reported” very loosely in this article.

The Trump Russia Collusion story is a perfect example of how far to the Left the Democratic Party and MSM have gone. We have a special prosecutor that is accountable to no one and has an unlimited budget (of taxpayer dollars). He can investigate, and possibly file criminal charges against anyone he chooses. He is an egomaniac that has assembled one of the most biased and expensive group of lawyers in the history of the “Washington Cesspool”. All because the Obama Administration and the Democrats claimed that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election.

Yes, Russia does “meddle” in other countries elections and lots of other things, but the U.S. and many other countries do that too! If you want to know which country is the “meddler in chief” just do a goggle search, “the U.S history of interfering in other countries elections”. You will be amazed to find how much WE have been doing that and how long! There are several articles that list six specific examples of the Obama Administration interfering in foreign elections, including Israel’s last Prime Minister election and Macedonia’s Democratic Presidential election. Obama actually spent U.S. tax payer dollars, and in some instances sent Americans to work on election campaigns of the people he preferred to win those six elections! Hillary was the Secretary of State when some of this U.S. involvement in other countries’ elections was happening. Where were the Democrats and the MSM when these events were actually happening?
Another example of the Left’s and MSM’s obsession with twisting the truth to make it fit their desired outcome is the constant and loud stream of misinformation they are “reporting”. The vocal Democrats and the MSM “reporting” is all about how bad everything is in America, how unpopular President Trump is and how many seats the Democrats are going to win back in the U.S. House and Senate in Nov 2018. I also noticed that they rarely provide much information to validate the “polls” they are referring to in their effort to prove their points? I would think that they would have learned in November 2016 that this is not a winning strategy!

I began this article with a specific question because I simply do not believe that there are that many Americans now who are so uninformed,, or totally Left leaning Liberal that will believe the Democrat’s and MSM’s massive “lie and redirect” campaign. However, after I thought about it more I realized that the Left is using basic advertising techniques in their efforts to take back control of our government. A key rule of advertising is to maximize “reach and frequency”, which means how many times you’re advertising will be seen or heard by what people. The more times your target audience sees or hears your message the higher the odds are that they will positively respond to it. The Democrats and the MSM know this and are obviously making a concerted effort to convince enough people in America that they are right and to vote for their ideas! If we Conservatives do not stay vigilant and active they just might take back America with these tactics!
As I try to follow current events in America and t... (show quote)
Hi Hardwork. It is easy to see how the Democrats a... (show quote)


An hysterical rant with more holes than Swiss cheese. Where do you get this nonsense and do you think your fellow participants on OPP are stupid? Reminder: Hate and rage kills the hater and not the hated. Read Rules for Radicles by Saul Alinski AND THEN tell us what you emote about Alinski.

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Dec 29, 2017 23:25:26   #
Glaucon
 
debeda wrote:
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled? He's one of the first presidents in a long while not to say one thing when campaigning then change. Prez Trump, as outspoken as he Is, is the engine to rev up the economy and bring back common sense to many issues. He changed the whole national dialogue in the recent election cycle. The left's rabid hatred of him is some weird knee jerk reaction. Nothing real. Regardless, it's pretty intolerant of the elite and the MSM to not give him a chance to see how it goes.
Then why are his campaign promises being filfilled... (show quote)


Which of his promises has he fulfilled?

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Dec 30, 2017 01:14:58   #
ihntnfsh Loc: Colome, SD
 
MSM should be taken to court for their lies and misinformation. There is nothing in the constitution. That protect them from revealing their sources. Anounous sources be damed. Any reporter who doesn’t give up the source should be put in jail. Dishonesty? Hillory has benn one of the most dishonest liberals to ever run for any office. She is a TRAITOR and will most likely get away with it. Just MSM gets away with their lies.

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