ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Let's see, there was a economic crash caused by Banks- Insurance-Stock Market. So Congress said Banks could be Banks but not National. Insurance could be insurance but not Banks and Stock brokers. Stock Brokers could not be banks or Insurance Companies. That worked until Slick Willie Clinton got the laws repealed. Then Banks became National and sold stock and insurance. The Insurance Companies became Banks and Stock Brokers and the Stock Brokers became Banks and Insurance Companies...

How has that worked out. Big Business lies, cheats and steals. Then when it all turns to shit. We pick up the tab as they are to big to fail. When States Rights were involved those in their states were better served.

We should all perform lawful carnal knowledge upon the illegitimate of the Corporate world. Including corporate governance.


Public Utility Commissions protected the consumer as we had found out if the Utility Companies were left to their own devices they did not serve the public they served themselves.

Ever hear of Enron the smartest guys in the room??? Regulation of those that can rape and pillage we the people is a good Idea.

Let me see Oh Yes. When Air Travel was considered a major interest in our public's interest. We the people thru our knowledge gained by experience, BIG Monopolistic Companies such as Airlines were limited as to How much they could charge and regulations were to tough on them. They couldn't make enough money. So, deregulation happened and now we have a better airline industry for we the people. NOT!!!

Capitalism and Democracy cannot exist at the same time as the capitalist buy the democracy and we get oligarchy. So the BAR changed the rules is 1861 and again in 1933 and now people think our Constitutional Republic is a Democracy. How's that working.

son of witless

You know you are right. Capitalism does stink. Socialism is much better, but for now what are you going to do ? The ever Trumpers are in charge and what they say goes. I have an idea. Just to keep your spirits up until the Peoples Revolution gets going and Trump is deposed, why don't you visit some places where the people all think just as you do ? Some place warm, oh maybe South of the Border. Maybe Cuba, or better yet Venezuela. They'd be happy to have you, I am sure. Just bring your own toilet paper.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

did you ever learn to pour your piss out of your boot?? If you can sound out the big words you might get it. The people are the ones that rejected the NWO/Clinton/Bush?obozo trifecta. I lived in Venezuela fro 78 to 85. I've been there done that. I'm here to keep the enemies of we the people from destroying our Constitutional Republic.

son of witless

You were not there during the glorious reign of Comrade Hugo Chavez so your vacation there, it don't mean jack.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

You do not know your time line, Carlos Andres Perez, and Luis Herrera Campines were presidents when I was there Adeco and Copeiano. I moved there not a vacation. There are several of you dipshiz on OPP.

son of witless

What is your criteria for me and others being dipshiz ? By the way why were you in Venezuela ?

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

You take what is stated and reword it until it is not what I said but totally different ... Dipshiz is the strongest I can say without adnin getting into it and deleting what I post.

In 1978 I had a pocket full of money and an airplane. The Tahoe Regional Planning Authority had just put me out of business. So, I decided to go to the tropics "no snow" Venezuela was the best option,..They had Napoleonic Law. I flew thru Mexico and central America, Colombia to Venezuela. Stayed until 85.

son of witless

Why get out in 85 ?

JoyV

Here is the take from some Venezuelans viewpoint.

http://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-how-socialism-ruined-country-2017-10

To truly understand what is happening in Venezuela, and other socialists nations; it is a good idea to see the history which led up to today's disaster.

buffalo Loc: Texas

If socialism is a failure, as in Venezuela, then why does it need a concerted effort from the US and corporations to prove it. Or is it something else they want--like control of Venezuela's massive oil reserves for their profit and not for the benefit of the Venezuelan people?

How many other countries' internal affairs has the US interfered in, either directly or indirectly, for the benefit of greedy corporations?

Americans have been trained by decades of Cold War propaganda to look for any confirmation that ‘socialism means poverty.’ But in the case of Venezuela and other states not governed by the free market, this cliche simply doesn’t ring true.

The political and economic crisis facing Venezuela is being endlessly pointed to as proof of the superiority of the free market.

Images and portrayals of Venezuelans rioting in the streets over high food costs, empty grocery stores, medicine shortages, and overflowing garbage bins are the headlines, and the reporting points to socialism as the cause.

Indeed, corporate-owned, mainstream media advises Americans to look at the inflation and food lines in Venezuela, and then repeat to themselves clichés they heard in elementary school about how “Communism just doesn’t work.” The problems plaguing the Venezuelan economy are not due to some inherent fault in socialism, but to artificially low oil prices and sabotage by inside and outside forces hostile to the revolution.

Starting in 2014, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia flooded the market with cheap oil. This was not a mere business decision, but a calculated move coordinated with U.S. and Israeli foreign policy goals. Despite not just losing money, but even falling deep into debt, the Saudi monarchy continues to expand its oil production apparatus. The result drove the price of oil down from $110 per barrel, to $28 in the early months of 2014.The goal was to weaken these opponents of Wall Street, London, and Tel Aviv, whose economies are centered around oil and natural gas exports.

And Venezuela is one of those countries. Saudi efforts to drive down oil prices have drastically reduced Venezuela’s state budget and led to enormous consequences for the Venezuelan economy.

At the same time, private food processing and importing corporations have launched a coordinated campaign of sabotage. This, coupled with the weakening of a vitally important state sector of the economy, has resulted in inflation and food shortages. The artificially low oil prices have left the Venezuelan state cash-starved, prompting a crisis in the funding of the social programs that were key to strengthening the United Socialist Party.

So why don't you and any other OPPers interested in truth rather than bullshit propaganda educate yourselves.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

http://whitemansturban.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/venezuelas-problem-is-capitalism/

JoyV

If socialism DOES work, give an example. You include, "artificially low oil prices " in your reason for Venezuela's problems. But artificial prices are the antitheses of free market capitalism. They are one of the tools in socialist governance. "Saudi efforts to drive down oil prices have drastically reduced Venezuela’s state budget and led to enormous consequences for the Venezuelan economy." Yet Venezuela weathered low oil prices before the country became strictly socialist. Your low prices are still higher than most other country's main exports. So the prices should simply reduce the amount made from extremely wealthy to simply wealthy. "private food processing and importing corporations have launched a coordinated campaign of sabotage" So you are saying private companies want to eliminate their own profits???? Talk about propaganda! Why don't you study the workings of supply and demand. It isn't rocket science.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Did you read the articles? If you didn't, then we have nothing to talk about.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

http://whitemansturban.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/venezuelas-problem-is-capitalism/

son of witless

One more thing Venezuela has that America does not is gun control. Hugo Chavez and his Hillary-like successor Nicolás Maduro accomplished what our Dear Leader Barak Hussein Obama was unable to do. He seized total control over every part of the country, ran his country into the ground, took away private ownership of guns, and made sure nobody can get toilet paper. If only Obama had been able to have more than 8 years running America, it would have been glorious. Then to have Hillary succeed him, it would have been Socialist Heaven on Earth. If not for that pesky US Constitution and that horrible Donald J. Trump, Americans today would be like Venezuelans and be living the dream. I know, I know, I have to stop thinking about what might have been. But I can dream, can't I ?

son of witless

If Socialism is so super wonderful fantabulous, why, why, why, do it's practitioners always seize absolute power ???? WHY ??????? How can you defend the Socialists who will not allow any political opposition ? How ???????

Do you have the audacity to say that America is the reason Venezuela is an economic failure ? I was going to call it an economic basket case, but it would have to rise 10 levels to get to an economic basket case. Are you actually aware of what Hugo Chavez did to his country ? How he totally eliminated his political opposition ? Well ??????? Audacity is a big word I learned in the one rood school house where I was a model student.

JoyV

The first article provides nothing to back up its assertions at all. The second at least makes an attempt, but it is not rational. It reads like Hillary's excuses and blame, but even less coherently. It says the US is behind OPEC. Minerals, which are not being mined in Venezuela, going up in price have caused oil prices to tank. (Hmm. I wonder why I don't see that at the gas pump.) Really? Minerals vs oil? From there what little coherency there is drops away. So why don't you tell us how capitalism caused Venezuela's crises. And you still haven't answered my earlier challenge. Name a socialist nation which is a success.