According to
https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp " :
that ID card:
(a) is "not a real Columbia University student ID issued to Barack Obama (under any name) in 1981; it’s simply an altered version of a Columbia University ID card issued to another student in 1998" ;
(b) "couldn’t possibly have have been a Columbia University student ID issued to Barack Obama in 1981, as the digital ID card format it uses wasn’t introduced at Columbia until 1996" ;
and:
(c) "is obviously a forgery, as the photograph it bears is not a picture of a 20-year-old Barack Obama from 1981; it’s a picture taken several years later, during or shortly after Barack Obama’s time at Harvard Law School (1988-1991)".
Also: The matter of Obama's birth or citizenship has been put to the courts many times. Here's one of the results, which I think is probably a typical result of those cases:
'Hollister v. Soetoro
'On March 5, 2009, a lawsuit filed by Philip Berg on behalf of Gregory S. Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, against Barack Obama (referenced as "Barry Soetoro", the name given at the time of his enrollment in an Indonesian elementary school). The suit was dismissed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. The presiding judge, James Robertson, said the case was a waste of the court's time, calling Berg and another lawyer "agents provocateurs" and their local counsel, John Hemenway, "a foot soldier in their crusade." He ordered Hemenway to show cause why he should not pay the legal fees for Obama's attorney as a penalty for filing a complaint "for an improper purpose such as to harass".[43] The district court ultimately reprimanded Hemenway for his actions, and the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld the dismissal of the case and Hemenway's reprimand.[26] On January 18, 2011, the U.S. Supreme Court declined, without comment, to hear the case.[44]'
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation for that and other such cases.
I'm more interested in the philosophy, ideas, and manner of a politician. Why would I even care where a president or candidate was _born_, while some such candidates or presidents are provocative to start unnecessary wars (Bush II and Trump), or administratively responsible for covert operations to overthrow governments and arm foreign governments (Reagan and the Iran-Contra scandal)? Alongside such things, circumstances of birth are much less significant. Regarding Obama, the man was obviously very involved in the United States for a long time (that's true, even if your claim were true, that he'd been born somewhere else). Even if he _had_ been born somewhere else, I'm more interested in his ideas than where he was born. Here is what Obama said: "Surely you can question my policies without questioning my faith. Or for that matter my citizenship." (That was at the February 2010 National Prayer Breakfast, according to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Barack_Obama%27s_response ).
Some posters on this topic (but not you in this post) have called Obama a Muslim as though that were a derogatory term or even relevant to anything. That's one of the reasons I haven't paid much attention to this topic in the past. I haven't paid much attention to this topic of Obama's birth and citizenship, firstly because I don't think birth and citizenship are as important as involvement and ideas, and secondly because I see many of the people who argue against Obama's birth and citizenship are the same people who spout a lot of ethnocentric, xenophobic nonsense, such as opposition to Muslims or Islam in a way which is merely stereotyping. It would be just as easy to oppose Christians, who as a group have sponsored as much violence, torture, and other terrorism as anybody. But we should not oppose Christians as a whole in that shallow way, just as we should not oppose Muslims in that way: it's a wrong kind of generalizing: a stereotyping.
Your post was better than theirs, I think, but still doesn't pass muster with things like snopes and wikipedia, and, even if you were right, it would still be about mere citizenship, of a person who obviously is more involved in the U.S. than most common citizens are. So find something wrong with his ideas or his philosophy or his policies: those are the more significant topics.
The person who says an idea is often less important than the idea itself. That's particularly true when the person is President, whose ideas have far-reaching effects. Argue the ideas.
-John, Dec. 17, 2017
Steve700 wrote:
To Liberals: ----
Overwelming Proof you can't Refute:
Trump only said that yes, Obama was born in the United States, only for political expediency. He actually knows better and eventually that will be proven after a few years when Trump finally completes the dismantling of the deep state and its shadow government. Obama's own grandmother soon met a suspicious death joining Obama's Deadpool after she went around telling people she was there at the hospital in Kenya when Barack was born. That birth certificate has been thoroughly investigated and found to be a computer composite with mistakes in it like naming the hospital the change to name, rather than the name it was at the time of Obama's birth. Obama's father's nationality was also listed as African when in 1961 a black man's race was listed as Negro, Not African. The case went to court and the judge immediately threw it out, obviously because the case was just too hot and he didn't want to have to render a decision that would result in him joining Obama's Deadpool of suspicious deaths along with his own grandmother, 3 gay lovers of Obama from Jeremiah Wright's church, Joan Rivers, Loretta Fuddy, Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scolia (Now there is a provable assassination) and the scores of others who were a threat and/or uncooperative to Obama. Also, I'm sure not quite so coincidentally, a friend and fellow Sabud cult cult member of Obama's mother just happened to be recently appointed to the Hawaii Department of Health shortly before that birth certificate was issued by her all. Within a month after it was issued, this Loretta Fuddy met her untimely suspicious death when her small between the islands plane ditched into the ocean. It's time for you liberal dummies to wake up and do a little research from other than left-wing sources, so that you can know what you're talking about instead of blindly accepting whatever your dishonest, corrupt, totalitarian globalist/leftist hierarchy tells you.
Of course if you did that you would end up joining the party that holds Truth, Honesty & Integrity as their prime values, but then of course those old Christian values are just a little too repugnant to you. And of course, lies are just fine with you as long as it furthers your leftist agenda.
Very recent video on this fraud with New Information --- But don't bother to look liberals 'cuz you wouldn't want to spoil your delusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rs23W3YkJA.
b To Liberals: /b ---- u Overwelming Proof yo... (
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