Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Here is an apt but abbreviated comment by John Hawkins:

..."Gridlock has become the rule of the day in Congress for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest is that the Right and Left simply don’t agree on much anymore.

Just as an example, ask yourself this question: how many of the fundamental questions about American life do you agree with Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi on? Think about the basic questions of American life.
The Constitution? Conservatives believe in it. Liberals believe in a “living Constitution” which is fundamentally no different than having no Constitution at all.

Religion? Conservatives tend to believe in Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists who are conservative tend to at least be friendly to those values. Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values.

What about patriotism? Conservatives tend to love their country. Liberals love this country like a wife-beater loves his spouse.
Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be socialists. Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Liberals believe your race defines you. Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Liberals believe in equality of results. Conservatives believe in freedom of speech. Liberals are fine with silencing people that disagree with them. Conservatives believe in small government. Liberals believe in a frighteningly powerful central government dictating your every move.

That last one is perhaps the most significant because if liberals could live the way they want in California, New York and Connecticut while conservatives could live as they please in Texas, South Carolina and Utah, we could shrug off our differences. As the government in Washington becomes ever more powerful, that is no longer allowed."

Given these wide and fundamental differences between Conservatives and Liberals, is it any wonder that debates between them are hopeless and a serious waste of thought, time and effort? There are few if any grounds where basic agreement can be reached, The one possibility is if some satisfactory agreement could be reached on each of the subjects given by Hawkins above, which will happen when Hell freezes over.

Morgan

In your line of thinking it is no wonder people as yourself don't respect or care for them, which makes it especially unfortunate that your opinion is all wrong.

E

Where was he wrong. He just posted someone else's opinions of the differences between one side and the other. Frankly, your opinion is all wrong.

EconomistDon

That is all so very true! Now the differences have become so much more profound due to the election of Trump. The differences were there before Trump, but were not contentious because Democrats had the upper hand. Conservatives respect the Constitution and the fact that Obama was in command. Conservatives were not happy with the disastrous Obama administration, but they didn't make a big stinking deal about it. But when Trump won, Democrats could not sit back a respect Republican leadership the way Conservatives did for eight years. We've had shouting at the sky, riots, "not my President", bogus collusion claims, resistance movements, pleas for impeachment, and outright violence from groups like BLM and Antifa. Democrats are acting like spoiled children who have to have it there way or no way.

E

You explained that and them beautifully. They are really pathetic.

PeterS

The conservatives I've met believe in the second clause of the second amendment and not much more. And a living constitution is like no constitution. Do you honestly think the founders mean to leave us with a piece of paper written for the people and the values of the 18th century?

You guys just voted for a president who has been married three time, admits to adultery with every wife, and who openly admits to sexually assaulting women and your talking about Judeo-Christian values? It's not Judeo-Christian values that we liberals mock but you Christians who claim to follow them!!!


You guys aren't patriots your Nationalists and nationalists just click their his heels together and mocks anyone who won't follow--in a democracy is about as unpatriotic a fellow as you could get.


Conservatives are corporatists. Look at Trump--raising taxes on exports and imports, brow beats business owners, backing out of our free trade agreements. Nothing about Trump sides with capitalism and he is typical of the type of candidate that conservatives support. As for liberal most of us believe in a mixed economy--very few of us are pure socialists--of course for you conservatives everything is a slippery slope so any embrace of socialism is a full embrace so it's fairly a moot point to debate it with you.


This one really cracked me up. You voted for a man who's political claim to fame was birtherism, then stood up and shouted at the top of your lungs when he said all Mexicans are Murders, and all Muslims are terrorists and now you are trying to convince us that you believe in judging a man on the content of his character? Right, I'll believe that one when it really happens...


So when someone kneels in protest you stand behind him 100%. You guy don't give a flip about freedom of speech unless it's your right to speak hatred from one end of this country to the other. As for the other guys rights--well they are unpatriotic--and they should be run out of the country on a rail!


You guys believe in the worlds largest military and then some. The military is part of government and then you want to strip women of the right to control their bodies and homosexuals of any and all rights they may have gained. Those aren't the actions of a small government. As small government is just that--SMALL--not just slightly smaller than the democrats might have.


You guys are doing everything you can to strip women and homosexuals of their rights and you are saying that you are afraid of a government dictating your every move? You guys really are a joke. You are an oxymoron of everything you think you are...



Actually we liberals live where ever we want and pretty much shrug off things, even if they bother us. It's you cons who are paranoid--needing a wall and guns, the military and the police all to keep you safe yet you still don't feel secure in your own being. That's just sad and, quite frankly, a waste of the only life you might just ever have...

Given these wide and fundamental differences between Conservatives and Liberals, is it any wonder that debates between them are hopeless and a serious waste of thought, time and effort? There are few if any grounds where basic agreement can be reached, The one possibility is if some satisfactory agreement could be reached on each of the subjects given by Hawkins above, which will happen when Hell freezes over.[/quote]

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

What a revealing tirade! This blurb equates Trump with anyone that signs up to Conservatism, which is patently false. Trump is the great danger, and that is most certainly true, but not for any reasons this blurb cites. He is a danger to the Left's ideas, their kind of anti-Constitutional changes, and the so-called legacies of Obama, which Trump is erasing almost daily, and to the Deep State, which the Left colludes with. This blurb even cites Conservatives with not supporting the full Constitution, when their previous Leftist President violated it a documented 75 times (more than just a hint of anti-Constitutionalism). How do we know this: by deep comparison of Obama's Executive Orders with the full text of the Constitution. What this blurb would have us understand is that the Left wants hedonistic freedoms and a floating Constitution subject to instant changes to suit their whims. We really do have a vast chasm between the Left and Right, and my last post's final paragraph rings true.

E

The stupidity of this man never eases to amaze me.

The conservatives I've met believe in the second clause of the second amendment and not much more. >>> Total B. S.
And a living constitution is like no constitution. >>> True.
Do you honestly think the founders mean to leave us with a piece of paper written for the people and the values of the 18th century? >>> That is why they set up a process called amendments and a Convention of the States. So radical leftist and Liberals can't jam crap down our throats on every wackadoodle whim.
You guys just voted for a president who has been married three time, admits to adultery with every wife, and who openly admits to sexually assaulting women and your talking about Judeo-Christian values? It's not Judeo-Christian values that we liberals mock but you Christians who claim to follow them!!! >>> Many Christians do follow those values. Way more then the Liberal baby killers.
You guys aren't patriots your Nationalists and nationalists just click their his heels together and mocks anyone who won't follow--in a democracy is about as unpatriotic a fellow as you could get. >>> You seem to be describing your Democrat Facists.
Conservatives are corporatists. >>> Not.
Look at Trump--raising taxes on exports and imports, brow beats business owners, backing out of our free trade agreements. >>> Those agreements needed renegotiating.
Nothing about Trump sides with capitalism and he is typical of the type of candidate that conservatives support.>>> False again. We supported Trump to stop Washington B. S. to build a wall, to throw out illegal invaders, to stop Clinton.
As for liberal most of us believe in a mixed economy--very few of us are pure socialists--of course for you conservatives everything is a slippery slope so any embrace of socialism is a full embrace so it's fairly a moot point to debate it with you. >>> You liberals are all about socialism
You voted for a man who's political claim to fame was birtherism, >>> B. S.
then stood up and shouted at the top of your lungs when he said all Mexicans are Murders, and all Muslims are terrorists and now you are trying to convince us that you believe in judging a man on the content of his character? >>> Right. That is what we believe.
So when someone kneels in protest you stand behind him 100%.>>> What Conservative stood behind that kneeling SOB?
You guy don't give a flip about freedom of speech unless it's your right to speak hatred from one end of this country to the other. >>> It is you Liberal Facists who try to stifle free speech.
As for the other guys rights--well they are unpatriotic--and they should be run out of the country on a rail! >>> We never stood against that SOB's right to free speech. We objected to his forum of disrespecting our flag and disrespecting out veterans and active duty military who fought and fight to give that SOB that very right.
You guys believe in the worlds largest military and then some. >>> As necessary to protect our rights to be free.
The military is part of government and then you want to strip women of the right to control their bodies >>> False. We just want them to stop killing babies. They can take all of the birth control devices they want or just not fornicate and pay for it themselves.
and homosexuals of any and all rights they may have gained. >>> We justifiably don't believe in all of those right as rights, Especially marriage and the right to force others into total acceptance of them and their demands.
Those aren't the actions of a small government. >>> Yes they are.
As small government is just that--SMALL--not just slightly smaller than the democrats might have. >>> We want it a lot smaller.
You guys are doing everything you can to strip women and homosexuals of their rights and you are saying that you are afraid of a government dictating your every move? >>> We are not trying to strip women of their right. Or Homosexuals. We do disagree in some of those so called rights. They aren't.
You guys really are a joke. You are an oxymoron of everything you think you are...>>> No. As usual, I think you are the joke. One of the biggest on OPP.
Actually we liberals live where ever we want and pretty much shrug off things, even if they bother us. >>> More B. S. You riot and burn and beat up people that disagree with you.
It's you cons who are paranoid-- >>> Not paranoid. Actually if you looked at the news after President Trump's win, you leftists and Democrats are the ones looking absolutely paranoid. Your posts are really a joke.
needing a wall and guns, >>> We want a wall to help secure America from illegal invaders. A good thing.
the military and the police all to keep you safe yet you still don't feel secure in your own being. >>> We're safe. It is you Liberal cupcakes who need safe places.
That's just sad and, quite frankly, a waste of the only life you might just ever have... >>> That is what I thought when I saw all of those crying cupcakes after the election.
Given these wide and fundamental differences between Conservatives and Liberals, is it any wonder that debates between them are hopeless and a serious waste of thought, time and effort? >>> Well, on that I'll agree. But you have no idea of what those differences are. You are just totally wacko in that respect. You are trying to yell at Conservatives for being something that the Liberals are. Meds. take your meds.
There are few if any grounds where basic agreement can be reached, >>> Agreed. We are right and you are wrong. across the board.
The one possibility is if some satisfactory agreement could be reached on each of the subjects given by Hawkins above, which will happen when Hell freezes over. >>> Again, I agree. Your side is to misguided and unreasonable.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Excellent Fisking. Actually, that last paragraph was from my original post. On that he agrees!

Morgan

His, or theirs, is wrong because it is simply untrue, whenever you use comparatives such as "they are" grouping people together in a prejudicial manner from

a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. And by the way I didn't do that, so your tit-for-tat is a moot point.

Morgan

Why don't you actually take some thought about what I said to him instead of just a knee-jerk reaction?

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Morgan, you are obviously biased left, so it is natural that you would criticize John Hawkins in some obscure manner, or in a blanket condemnation just as all the other Lefties do: nothing of substance, of course, simply finding some little thing to harp on. I find that childish in the extreme. E did a masterful job of Fisking PeterS; your retort was very weak indeed.

bggamers Loc: georgia

He is quoting Hawkins and its pretty much on the mark thanks Manning 345

bggamers Loc: georgia

WOW take a deep breath E sit down relax after that you must be exhausted. But you nailed it

E

Huh! Really empty answers with no substance or sense.