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Dec 12, 2017 20:13:24   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
The quick answer is none of it. Because I didn't earn it or bargain for it. If that's the answer you were looking for, great. But I took the question to mean why am I paying so much in taxes. If I misunderstood the question, my bad. Sorry if that's the case. but that wasn't the way I understood the question. I guess I'm just a dumb country cluck.

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Dec 12, 2017 20:51:01   #
E
 
whitnebrat wrote:
The quick answer is none of it. Because I didn't earn it or bargain for it. If that's the answer you were looking for, great. But I took the question to mean why am I paying so much in taxes. If I misunderstood the question, my bad. Sorry if that's the case. but that wasn't the way I understood the question. I guess I'm just a dumb country cluck.


Thanks. I think that is the answer he was looking for and now a good starting point for further discussion. What do we owe society and country for what we have received and the opportunities we had and the opportunities to work and attain wealth, of a little or a lot. But that is the first time I have ever seen someone from the left answer that question honestly. Lets now move forward.

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Dec 12, 2017 21:00:43   #
emarine
 
RETW wrote:
That was not the question. As always you evade the question. It is straight forward and to the point.

What part of $100.oo or $1000.oo I earn, do you think is yours, and why?

Example ------- I have made 50 million dollars a year for the last 20 years. So what make you think you have a right to even a dime of it? ???????????????? Yes?




Yes you made 50 million by employing 2000 people working part time @ 8 bux an hour with no benefits... these people work hard for their money & have no disposable income ... living on less than 1k per Mo... they pay rent, electric & eat... maybe they own a car if they can afford the fuel & insurance... if they get sick they are screwed from loss of wages now that there won't be health care they can afford... In a United country of moral people who should pay more?... The guy making 50 million from the labor he profits from or the people who work hard to survive... The tax money you payout belongs to the Nation once you write the checks its no longer yours... it belongs to a Nation of people & infrastructure we all share as The United States of America... quit bitchin & be thankful you don't work for someone like you...

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Dec 12, 2017 21:03:49   #
E
 
emarine wrote:
Yes you made 50 million by employing 2000 people working part time @ 8 bux an hour with no benefits... these people work hard for their money & have no disposable income ... living on less than 1k per Mo... they pay rent, electric & eat... maybe they own a car if they can afford the fuel & insurance... if they get sick they are screwed from loss of wages now that there won't be health care they can afford... In a United country of moral people who should pay more?... The guy making 50 million from the labor he profits from or the people who work hard to survive... The tax money you payout belongs to the Nation once you write the checks it no longer yours... it belongs to a Nation of people & infrastructure we all share as The United States of America... quit bitchin & be thankful you don't work for someone like you...
Yes you made 50 million by employing 2000 people w... (show quote)


One of the big problems is how these politicians spend our money on themselves, special interests, pork, etc and we can't vote them out. They don't really represent the people and we all know it.

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Dec 12, 2017 21:09:05   #
emarine
 
E wrote:
One of the big problems is how these politicians spend our money on themselves, special interests, pork, etc and we can't vote them out. They don't really represent the people and we all know it.



Good point E...the way I see it they are all greedy bastards but look where they want to use the money... a moral people help the weak & less fortunate ... greedy bustards help themselves... what's happening now?...

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Dec 12, 2017 21:44:18   #
tom25411 Loc: WV
 
Spoken like a true Ultra Liberal Commiecrat ..... MAGHU.... -- ( May god help us.)

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Dec 12, 2017 22:07:54   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
E wrote:
Thanks. I think that is the answer he was looking for and now a good starting point for further discussion. What do we owe society and country for what we have received and the opportunities we had and the opportunities to work and attain wealth, of a little or a lot. But that is the first time I have ever seen someone from the left answer that question honestly. Lets now move forward.


I try to be honest with my posts. For a lot of people the truth as I see it hurts. I try to be objective and factual, but that just ain't enuf for a lot of people. But facts is stubborn things. I'll have a lot of controversial posts in the future, I'm sure.

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Dec 12, 2017 22:17:37   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
RETW wrote:
Let see, the economy was doging along at 1 1/2 %. Along comes President Trump, and a year is not even up, and already the economy is at 3.4 + %. Obama never had it at even 2%.

Wan't to talk more about what Obama did so good for the country? It appears you know nothing about

Econ 101.


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Again, Econ 101. The economy was improving under Obama. It was kept at a slow pace so as not to counter-act the stimulus. Too fast a recovery means another rapid decline within a short period of time. A concept that GOPTPers seem to not to be able to comprehend.

And, yes, Obama was good for the country, given the mess he inherited from the Bush 2 administration. I suppose you’ve conveniently forgotten the big tax cut he pushed through, as well as 2 un-funded wars that weren’t counted in the books until Obama put them there; knowing full well it would make his administration look worse. But, it was better than pretending the costs of the 2 wars and the tax cuts were magically paid for. Kinda like the big tax cuts Trumpet and the GOPTP want to award themselves with, no matter much they lie and spin the truth to make you gullible people believe they’re looking out for your well-being.

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Dec 12, 2017 22:24:47   #
PeterS
 
archie bunker wrote:
Looks to me like you don't approve of independent thought Pete. You want to put everybody in one box, or another, and you despise those who don't fit into your own self proclaimed box.

I don't represent the Republican party, and they DAMN sure don't represent me. The Democrat party is pretty much the polar opposite of everything I believe in.

You think what you want. That's fine with me all the way. It doesn't affect me at all.

Matter of fact, I see you, and many like you attempting to use shame, and guilt as a bullying tactic against everyone who you hate for their thoughts, and beliefs.
It's really funny to watch. It really is.
Looks to me like you don't approve of independent ... (show quote)


You're a conservative Archie. There is no independence form that...

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Dec 12, 2017 22:27:20   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Anyone who they can't debate on issues. Trump supporter has now replaced racist. Goebbels would be impressed with today's leftists.

The racism on the right has nothing to do with the left. That's your bag whether you have the balls to take responsibility or not...

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Dec 12, 2017 22:39:46   #
PeterS
 
RETW wrote:
That was not the question. As always you evade the question. It is straight forward and to the point.

What part of $100.oo or $1000.oo I earn, do you think is yours, and why?

Example ------- I have made 50 million dollars a year for the last 20 years. So what make you think you have a right to even a dime of it? ???????????????? Yes?

No one has a right to another persons income but we all pay taxes and once paid they belong to the government not us. If you can't deal with taxes then as I've been telling all the conservatives on this board that Somalia has no government and no taxes. It's a down right conservative Utopia. And what's even better is that everyone there carries a gun and knows how to use one plus fully automatic weapons are a must and heavily recommended. Now I saved the best for last--if you guys all book at once on Somalia Airways you can get a discount and up grade to first class! So book now and if you leave by the first of the year you can homestead the first ten acres you run across that doesn't have any dead bodies on it. Yeeesss sir, it's a steal just waiting for you conservatives...

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Dec 12, 2017 22:40:16   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PeterS wrote:
The racism on the right has nothing to do with the left. That's your bag whether you have the balls to take responsibility or not...


Racism is your go to word. You use it when you can’t win a debate or someone disagrees with you. The left, in my opinion is much more racist. You guys listen to liberal whites who say they promote equality by keeping minorities in inner city cess pools while all the while living in gated communities. You fools even swooned over Obama because he was down with the people. He was going to punish the bad white bankers and Wall Streeters. Guess how many his Justice dept. put in jail. Guess who he hangs out with. Guess who he gives speeches to for millions. You wewe played but go on, keep being played. It’s what you’re good at.

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Dec 12, 2017 22:43:20   #
PeterS
 
RETW wrote:
That was a two part question.

So it is your contention, that 50 to 60 cents, out of every dollar I make, belongs to you?

And just why is that so?


Smoking Crack again? How do you figure you are paying 50 to 60 cents in personal income taxes?

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Dec 12, 2017 22:45:50   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
RETW wrote:
No it does not. What you suggest is irrational, and fool hardy. God did not make stupid people.

We can not all be Apollos.


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If you think my response is irrational and fool-hearty, then, I surmise that you’re not a Christian, but an agnostic or an atheist. To call the words of Christ that I quoted, “... irrational and fool-hearty ... ,” isn’t something I would expect a Christian (at least one who has actually read the Bible - particularly the New Testament - from cover to cover, and, understand it, and the message it conveys to anyone, with an open mind) to say.

You are right about one thing, though, God didn’t/doesn’t make stupid people. Stupid people make/made themselves stupid. They do so by denying proven truths and continually repeating lies, half-truths and innuendo over and over and over, again, until the lies, half-truths and innuendo are believed to be truth. This results in a net loss for th society because, in effect, they’re trying to take our country on a backwards course. Also, stupid people staunchly resist the push of a society progressing toward a time and place where everyone is treated as equals and their differences made something to celebrate and used enhance the overall betterment of said society. Instead, the stupid people use those differences to shame, persecute and label others into groups to be feared, mistreated and distrusted because of some made-up meaning about their differences. Without something or someone to fear, ridicule and blame for their concocted sufferings, the stupid people wouldn’t have any clout over the masses, as a whole.

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Dec 12, 2017 22:47:05   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
alabuck wrote:
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Again, Econ 101. The economy was improving under Obama. It was kept at a slow pace so as not to counter-act the stimulus. Too fast a recovery means another rapid decline within a short period of time. A concept that GOPTPers seem to not to be able to comprehend.

And, yes, Obama was good for the country, given the mess he inherited from the Bush 2 administration. I suppose you’ve conveniently forgotten the big tax cut he pushed through, as well as 2 un-funded wars that weren’t counted in the books until Obama put them there; knowing full well it would make his administration look worse. But, it was better than pretending the costs of the 2 wars and the tax cuts were magically paid for. Kinda like the big tax cuts Trumpet and the GOPTP want to award themselves with, no matter much they lie and spin the truth to make you gullible people believe they’re looking out for your well-being.
————— br br Again, Econ 101. The economy was impr... (show quote)



Oh please, if your going to converse in the realm of a 7 grader, Come back after you graduate.

Than we can have a adult conservation. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

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