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Dec 12, 2017 15:44:01   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
rumitoid wrote:
One who looks outside the box and the other for whom the box is life. One challenges tradition, and the other defends it. One who embraces science, and the other who appears to doubt it. One who thinks that government rightly managed can cure the world's ill, and the other that believes only God can affect real change and everyone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, including the disabled, elderly, and children. One who likes their steak rare and the other who likes it well-done with ketchup. One who loves the classics in Literature and the other who wants to burn those books. One who has a unrestricted love of Art, while the other wants certain pieces hidden. Progressives view Conservatives as neanderthals, while Conservatives view Progressives as the minions of Satan. Is there a middle ground?
One who looks outside the box and the other for wh... (show quote)


First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by leftists to try to hide the fact that they are leftists. Therefore, the dictionary definition of 'progressive' is irrelevant.

So, the true quesion is, "What is the difference between leftists and conservatives?"

In truth, the differences are many and varied, but in the end it comes down to the difference in the core beliefs of each.

The core beliefs among conservatives are self-reliance and freedom. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.

The core beliefs among leftists are theft and government intrusion. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.

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Dec 12, 2017 16:04:34   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
maryjane wrote:
There will never be any middle ground as long as people such as yourself insist on labeling one entire group smart & good and the other dumb and bad. I once was a liberal but now, of the two choices, must consider myself a conservative, though a moderate one. And not one item mentioned in your description of conservatives applies to me. And, with modesty, I would put my intelligence, education, etc, up against any liberal's, and would put my commonsense, tolerance, and love of country way above that of liberals like yourself.
There will never be any middle ground as long as p... (show quote)


Amen to that....now if only your fellow conservatives would also abide by the advice that 'labeling one entire group smart & good and the other dumb and bad' isn't a good idea. Just read some of the comments by conservatives and their attitude towards liberals. I wouldn't want any middle ground with them either.

Not saying some liberals don't do it, just saying pot meet kettle.

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Dec 12, 2017 17:24:03   #
Steve700
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Is Trump a Globalists?



Both Trump and Putin are against the globalist agenda. That is why our corrupt establishment, who are primarily globalists, especially the left hate Trump and want him out of office. As well as demonizing Putin (and Russia) even though Russia is not communist anymore and Putin himself, has become a Christian and legalized the practicing of Christianity.

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Dec 12, 2017 17:35:24   #
Steve700
 
working class stiff wrote:
Amen to that....now if only your fellow conservatives would also abide by the advice that 'labeling one entire group smart & good and the other dumb and bad' isn't a good idea. Just read some of the comments by conservatives and their attitude towards liberals. I wouldn't want any middle ground with them either.

Not saying some liberals don't do it, just saying pot meet kettle.

It's not so much the entire group except for that the hierarchy has adopted the Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals as their official playbook as they tried to 'Marxize' us and the Useful Idiots gleefully and stupidly go along with the program. Just look how much fun they have continually calling people racist and don't you know the morons would never think to say that, except the left-wing hierarchy has program that into them to be the automatic response to being confronted with the truth so they can avoid debate and run away feeling as though they have won.



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Dec 12, 2017 17:38:07   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Steve700 wrote:
Both Trump and Putin are against the globalist agenda. That is why our corrupt establishment, who are primarily globalists, especially the left hate Trump and want him out of office. As well as demonizing Putin (and Russia) even though Russia is not communist anymore and Putin himself, has become a Christian and legalized the practicing of Christianity.


In your mind do you tie the "globalist agenda" with your "NWO"?

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Dec 12, 2017 17:43:51   #
rumitoid
 
E wrote:
Both. Okay. Your interpretation of Conservatism and Liberalism are wrong.


Thanks for the illuminating explanation and description.

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Dec 12, 2017 17:45:23   #
Steve700
 
The real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats are willfully evil, while the conservatives, while not perfect, hold, honesty, truth and integrity has their prime values. (And those are no values at all to the Democrats as fulfilling their agenda by any means necessary is all that matters to them -- deviousness is Therefore acceptable). And here is some proof that they ARE Evil:

The Civil War was Caused by the Democratic Party's attempt to Retain Slavery that Resulted in the slaughter of 660,000 Americans, and then when you lost the Civil War, you created and fill the ranks of the KKK to terrorize and lynch 'Uppity' Blacks'. And now you tell them that they are victims to make them angry, robbing them of their hope and incentive so that you can put them on the plantation of welfare to make them government dependent so they will vote Democrat. Democrats are all about control, trying to shut down ideas they don't like (ANTIFA & what happens on college campuses) and creating the ever increasing the size of government, not caring that "The Bigger the Government, the Smaller the Citizen"as long as they are the ones running it. (& bringing in tyranny, as the left always does when they gain full control).

Welfare is not the answer. Teaching morals, ethics, values, personal responsibility, personal reliability, personal accountability, honesty, discipline, and the importance of personal integrity, sexual morality and the family. Oh, excuse me, I forgot you don't like those discomforting Christian morals.

And recently the Democrats have run guns to the Mexican drug cartels (Fast & Furious), and had the IRS target Christians and conservatives, and the FBI excuse Hillary for deleting 30,000 emails after they had been subpoenaed, (Which would put any of us in jail, real quick) --- Not to mention that they chose this totally corrupt bitch for their presidential candidate, in spite of the criminal facts of her Clinton foundation, and the fact that she trades her influence and America's favor for her own personal gain. The globalist Democrat run FBI also chose Not to investigate the traitorous activity of the Clinton foundation and Hillary & Obama's selling of 20% of our uranium to Russia, (Or the $500,000,000 from Russia that went into the Clinton foundation at that time) or get to the bottom of why additional security was refused to our ambassador, why help was refused (actually ordered NOT to help) during the 13 hour firefight against our consulate and its inhabitants, --- nor investigate the motive for Obama ILLEGALLY releasing the 5 worst savage terrorist commander-organizers at Gitmo with the excuse of it being a trade to get back the deserter-defector-traitor Sgt Berghahl (who Obama deceitfully said "served with honor") that we should have wanted to get back for no other reason, other than to court-martial him. Not to mention all the repeated actions of Obama to stir up civil wars in the Middle East,turning them to chaos in the hopes the radicals would take over. greatly aiding in the creation of ISIS, supporting and financing terrorism, Including Releasing future ISIS leader, jihadist Islamic scholar, commander and organizer Al Bahgdaddi in 2011, knowing full well what he would do, then going against all advisors advice by abruptly pulling All Soldiers out of Iraq, but leaving All of our Military Hardware for ISIS to take control of when they were finally ready to move into Iraq.etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. -------- and that's just the beginning, not to mention what has been the result of liberal policies, that can plainly be seen by the crime rates and poverty levels of any long time Democrat only runs cities. -------------- but all this stuff means nothing to you as you have proven countless times before because you automatically dismiss and then forget anything that is pointed out to you that doesn't go along with your Marxist indoctrination programming.

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Dec 12, 2017 17:50:01   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Liberalism (progressivism) is an ideology based on abstract constructs built upon an artificial framework. It eliminates individualism in favor of collectivism. It puts everything under the umbrella of politics and separates people into groups based on race, social and economic status, belief systems, and religion in order to find the controlling mechanisms to make them all the same. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. WC

Kumbayah, baby, Utopia here we come.

Conservatism is a philosophy of life based on the way in which human beings were meant to live--as free thinkers with minds of their own, unencumbered by ideological dictates and forced modes of thought. A way of life which includes a love of God, fellow human beings, science, art, literature, nature, and steaks (rare or well done, with or without ketchup).

Praise God and pass the ammunition
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Dec 12, 2017 17:52:27   #
Steve700
 
Bad Bob wrote:
In your mind do you tie the "globalist agenda" with your "NWO"?

What kind of a political simpleton would even ask such a question??? The globalist agenda is to create a one world government and that is being worked towards by trickery, deceit and destruction of Christian style Western values. What do you expect as it is planned to be a communist type system, eliminating Christianity for a Luciferian type one world religion? ---- Worse than that, all the chaos in the Middle East was deliberately created for the purpose of having all those refugees to be sent into Christian nations to eventually destroy them, because only by total destruction of the old systems can they pull the world together by offering the solution of a one world government, with its one world religion that the Muslims will consider to be the fulfillment of their religion since they will be granted the idea that they were indeed the last final revelations from God and they will be allowed to be the ones to cut off the heads of all the Christians (and Jews) who will not submit to the strict Islamic style Luciferian religion of the one world government.

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Dec 12, 2017 18:01:16   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Steve700 wrote:
What kind of a political simpleton would even ask such a question??? The globalist agenda is to create a one world government and that is being worked towards by trickery, deceit and destruction of Christian style Western values. What do you expect as it is planned to be a communist type system, eliminating Christianity for a Luciferian type one world religion? ---- Worse than that, all the chaos in the Middle East was deliberately created for the purpose of having all those refugees to be sent into Christian nations to eventually destroy them, because only by total destruction of the old systems can they pull the world together by offering the solution of a one world government, with its one world religion that the Muslims will consider to be the fulfillment of their religion since they will be granted the idea that they were indeed the last final revelations from God and they will be allowed to be the ones to cut off the heads of all the Christians (and Jews) who will not submit to the strict Islamic style Luciferian religion of the one world government.
What kind of a political simpleton would even ask ... (show quote)
Get some mental health.



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Dec 12, 2017 19:32:42   #
E
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by leftists to try to hide the fact that they are leftists. Therefore, the dictionary definition of 'progressive' is irrelevant.

So, the true quesion is, "What is the difference between leftists and conservatives?"

In truth, the differences are many and varied, but in the end it comes down to the difference in the core beliefs of each.

The core beliefs among conservatives are self-reliance and freedom. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.

The core beliefs among leftists are theft and government intrusion. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.
First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by... (show quote)


Nicely expressed.

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Dec 12, 2017 21:30:41   #
Steve700
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Get some mental health.



Thanks for once again proving that this is your level of effectiveness in trying to debate me.
Thanks for once again proving that this is your le...

Now, take your pill and get your creepy little dolly, and go to bed
Now, take your pill and get your creepy little dol...

Or these guys will be invading your dreams
Or these guys will be invading your dreams...

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Dec 12, 2017 21:42:51   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Good question. Let's run some definitions and see how they compare:

According to dictionary.com, 'progressive' is defined as "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters".

And for our definition of 'conservative', we turn to wikipedia.com: "Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization".

Breaking it down to (very) simplistic terms, progressives see greener grass on the other side of the valley, and conservatives are content with the grass on their own side. That, ladies and gentlemen, in a nutshell, is the difference between a progressive and a conservative. So, now that that's all cleared up.....
Good question. Let's run some definitions and see... (show quote)


Well said. Although I like to have a solid base, I also believe that innovation is a Wonderful thing...nothing wrong with checking out the other side here and there! In other words, keep up!

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Dec 12, 2017 21:44:23   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by leftists to try to hide the fact that they are leftists. Therefore, the dictionary definition of 'progressive' is irrelevant.

So, the true quesion is, "What is the difference between leftists and conservatives?"

In truth, the differences are many and varied, but in the end it comes down to the difference in the core beliefs of each.

The core beliefs among conservatives are self-reliance and freedom. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.

The core beliefs among leftists are theft and government intrusion. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.
First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by... (show quote)


Progressives are not liberals! Thanks for clearing that up for the hardliners.

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Dec 13, 2017 01:34:04   #
kcstargoat
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by leftists to try to hide the fact that they are leftists. Therefore, the dictionary definition of 'progressive' is irrelevant.

So, the true quesion is, "What is the difference between leftists and conservatives?"

In truth, the differences are many and varied, but in the end it comes down to the difference in the core beliefs of each.

The core beliefs among conservatives are self-reliance and freedom. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.

The core beliefs among leftists are theft and government intrusion. From these cores most of their other beliefs follow.
First, the term 'progressive' has been hijacked by... (show quote)


The core beliefs of a leftist is misuse of funds and government control of every part of an individual's life. Progressives don't believe in the "individual," they believe in the mass of humanity acting in cooperation. Freedom is a word not understood.

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