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Nov 26, 2017 10:02:45   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU!

Joseph Byer, Jr., Rights Research


The pet shop bill, CA AB 485, was signed into law by CA Gov. Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown on Friday the 13th; an appropriately ominous date.



The Governor (pictured left), animal welfare and animal rights advocates pushed vociferously for its passage. California is the first state to pass legislation requiring pet stores to sell animals from shelters and rescue organizations only. No dog breeder can sell through pet shops in California. See link to the Pet Shop Bill below.



The legislative model used by the animal rights whackos is one that claims the overpopulation of animals will be fixed with this bill. Pet overpopulation was debunked over 17 years ago but it is still used as an excuse for new legislation. The unnecessary cure for this fake surplus is to ban pet sales from breeders and force pet shops to offer ONLY rescue dogs or shelter dogs and included in this bill are cats and rabbits.



AB 485 bans the sale of pets from known, regulated and inspected sources (including breeders and handlers subject to federal licensing), and compels pet shops to ONLY sell pets from unregulated and uninspected sources (i.e., shelters, rescues, and other similar organizations) that are NOT subject to state consumer protection laws or other guarantees.



IN ESSENCE, AB 485, REMOVES CURRENT CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR NEW PET OWNERS, LIMITS THE ABILITY OF PET OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE PET FOR THEIR LIFESTYLE, AND POTENTIALLY INCREASES PUBLIC HEALTH RISKS.



The result is that California is expanding the market for rescue/shelter dog organizations that are nearly all 501c3 non-profit organizations. At a time when these non-profits are importing dogs bred to be eaten (from Asia, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria), California is trying to boost their sales.



Further, these strays from around the world are bringing in canine influenza and rabies, (as recent as this past summer) just to mention a few serious contagious dog diseases.



Here are some unanswered questions that should have been resolved before signing:



What happens to a dog that doesn’t sell for weeks or months? Will insurance cover dogs suffering from stress? Or adult dogs with behavioral or health issues?



Won’t the pet shops need extra employees to manage the necessary training and exercise needed to make the adult dogs "saleable"?



Do the pet shops "buy" from the shelter or rescue because a dog from a rescue is “adopted” and the money paid to them is a contribution to their 501c3 organization?



What is the acceptable return policy on pets?



Let the unintended consequences fall where they may but California has set in motion the “journey to hell in a hand basket” syndrome which has laid waste to good legislation everywhere.



While I would NEVER recommend that you purchase a purebred dog from a pet shop, many legitimate breed rescue groups help rescue dogs of their particular breed. These dogs seldom go to pet shops for rescue sales but are placed through the breed club. In other areas mix breed dogs are in the pet shops because a rescue group brings them in for a couple of days while the group has a rescue fair. PetsMart participates in this in many cases. Usually the pet shot does not receive money for handling the transaction, but they know the new owner will buy food collars and leashes and bedding from the store the day they get the pet, and since the store has no liability as they are not doing a sale, this system usually works out well. However, there are a lot of pet shops that buy puppies from overseas or locally for the express purpose of selling these dogs to make money. The dogs have not been screened for health, usually do not have any shots, and have not even been wormed. Major outbreaks of disease and parasite infestation come in with these animals. California is a major source of such problems and this legislation would make the pet shops the prime source for "rescue" dogs. I always recommend strongly that you go through the AKC look for the national breed club and contact the club directly. Through them you can get the contacts for rescue groups associated with the breed club and often get the names of good breeders who are looking for homes for retired show dogs often champions or obedience dogs that are spayed or neutered, up on their shots, well socialized and available for a nominal fee. We know people who place their older dogs that way for the cost of the shots and spaying and little more. Don't be fooled by the "rescue groups" with their third world dogs from the streets of India, they are a heart break waiting to happen and a disease in the making, perhaps an epidemic.

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Nov 26, 2017 10:26:49   #
PeterS
 
no propaganda please wrote:
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU!

Joseph Byer, Jr., Rights Research


The pet shop bill, CA AB 485, was signed into law by CA Gov. Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown on Friday the 13th; an appropriately ominous date.



The Governor (pictured left), animal welfare and animal rights advocates pushed vociferously for its passage. California is the first state to pass legislation requiring pet stores to sell animals from shelters and rescue organizations only. No dog breeder can sell through pet shops in California. See link to the Pet Shop Bill below.



The legislative model used by the animal rights whackos is one that claims the overpopulation of animals will be fixed with this bill. Pet overpopulation was debunked over 17 years ago but it is still used as an excuse for new legislation. The unnecessary cure for this fake surplus is to ban pet sales from breeders and force pet shops to offer ONLY rescue dogs or shelter dogs and included in this bill are cats and rabbits.



AB 485 bans the sale of pets from known, regulated and inspected sources (including breeders and handlers subject to federal licensing), and compels pet shops to ONLY sell pets from unregulated and uninspected sources (i.e., shelters, rescues, and other similar organizations) that are NOT subject to state consumer protection laws or other guarantees.



IN ESSENCE, AB 485, REMOVES CURRENT CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR NEW PET OWNERS, LIMITS THE ABILITY OF PET OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE PET FOR THEIR LIFESTYLE, AND POTENTIALLY INCREASES PUBLIC HEALTH RISKS.



The result is that California is expanding the market for rescue/shelter dog organizations that are nearly all 501c3 non-profit organizations. At a time when these non-profits are importing dogs bred to be eaten (from Asia, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria), California is trying to boost their sales.



Further, these strays from around the world are bringing in canine influenza and rabies, (as recent as this past summer) just to mention a few serious contagious dog diseases.



Here are some unanswered questions that should have been resolved before signing:



What happens to a dog that doesn’t sell for weeks or months? Will insurance cover dogs suffering from stress? Or adult dogs with behavioral or health issues?



Won’t the pet shops need extra employees to manage the necessary training and exercise needed to make the adult dogs "saleable"?



Do the pet shops "buy" from the shelter or rescue because a dog from a rescue is “adopted” and the money paid to them is a contribution to their 501c3 organization?



What is the acceptable return policy on pets?



Let the unintended consequences fall where they may but California has set in motion the “journey to hell in a hand basket” syndrome which has laid waste to good legislation everywhere.



While I would NEVER recommend that you purchase a purebred dog from a pet shop, many legitimate breed rescue groups help rescue dogs of their particular breed. These dogs seldom go to pet shops for rescue sales but are placed through the breed club. In other areas mix breed dogs are in the pet shops because a rescue group brings them in for a couple of days while the group has a rescue fair. PetsMart participates in this in many cases. Usually the pet shot does not receive money for handling the transaction, but they know the new owner will buy food collars and leashes and bedding from the store the day they get the pet, and since the store has no liability as they are not doing a sale, this system usually works out well. However, there are a lot of pet shops that buy puppies from overseas or locally for the express purpose of selling these dogs to make money. The dogs have not been screened for health, usually do not have any shots, and have not even been wormed. Major outbreaks of disease and parasite infestation come in with these animals. California is a major source of such problems and this legislation would make the pet shops the prime source for "rescue" dogs. I always recommend strongly that you go through the AKC look for the national breed club and contact the club directly. Through them you can get the contacts for rescue groups associated with the breed club and often get the names of good breeders who are looking for homes for retired show dogs often champions or obedience dogs that are spayed or neutered, up on their shots, well socialized and available for a nominal fee. We know people who place their older dogs that way for the cost of the shots and spaying and little more. Don't be fooled by the "rescue groups" with their third world dogs from the streets of India, they are a heart break waiting to happen and a disease in the making, perhaps an epidemic.
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU! br br Josep... (show quote)


Why would we need to import dogs for eating when we have more than enough for that purpose already sitting in our shelters?

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Nov 26, 2017 11:38:21   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
no propaganda please wrote:
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU!

Joseph Byer, Jr., Rights Research


The pet shop bill, CA AB 485, was signed into law by CA Gov. Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown on Friday the 13th; an appropriately ominous date.



The Governor (pictured left), animal welfare and animal rights advocates pushed vociferously for its passage. California is the first state to pass legislation requiring pet stores to sell animals from shelters and rescue organizations only. No dog breeder can sell through pet shops in California. See link to the Pet Shop Bill below.



The legislative model used by the animal rights whackos is one that claims the overpopulation of animals will be fixed with this bill. Pet overpopulation was debunked over 17 years ago but it is still used as an excuse for new legislation. The unnecessary cure for this fake surplus is to ban pet sales from breeders and force pet shops to offer ONLY rescue dogs or shelter dogs and included in this bill are cats and rabbits.



AB 485 bans the sale of pets from known, regulated and inspected sources (including breeders and handlers subject to federal licensing), and compels pet shops to ONLY sell pets from unregulated and uninspected sources (i.e., shelters, rescues, and other similar organizations) that are NOT subject to state consumer protection laws or other guarantees.



IN ESSENCE, AB 485, REMOVES CURRENT CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR NEW PET OWNERS, LIMITS THE ABILITY OF PET OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE PET FOR THEIR LIFESTYLE, AND POTENTIALLY INCREASES PUBLIC HEALTH RISKS.



The result is that California is expanding the market for rescue/shelter dog organizations that are nearly all 501c3 non-profit organizations. At a time when these non-profits are importing dogs bred to be eaten (from Asia, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria), California is trying to boost their sales.



Further, these strays from around the world are bringing in canine influenza and rabies, (as recent as this past summer) just to mention a few serious contagious dog diseases.



Here are some unanswered questions that should have been resolved before signing:



What happens to a dog that doesn’t sell for weeks or months? Will insurance cover dogs suffering from stress? Or adult dogs with behavioral or health issues?



Won’t the pet shops need extra employees to manage the necessary training and exercise needed to make the adult dogs "saleable"?



Do the pet shops "buy" from the shelter or rescue because a dog from a rescue is “adopted” and the money paid to them is a contribution to their 501c3 organization?



What is the acceptable return policy on pets?



Let the unintended consequences fall where they may but California has set in motion the “journey to hell in a hand basket” syndrome which has laid waste to good legislation everywhere.



While I would NEVER recommend that you purchase a purebred dog from a pet shop, many legitimate breed rescue groups help rescue dogs of their particular breed. These dogs seldom go to pet shops for rescue sales but are placed through the breed club. In other areas mix breed dogs are in the pet shops because a rescue group brings them in for a couple of days while the group has a rescue fair. PetsMart participates in this in many cases. Usually the pet shot does not receive money for handling the transaction, but they know the new owner will buy food collars and leashes and bedding from the store the day they get the pet, and since the store has no liability as they are not doing a sale, this system usually works out well. However, there are a lot of pet shops that buy puppies from overseas or locally for the express purpose of selling these dogs to make money. The dogs have not been screened for health, usually do not have any shots, and have not even been wormed. Major outbreaks of disease and parasite infestation come in with these animals. California is a major source of such problems and this legislation would make the pet shops the prime source for "rescue" dogs. I always recommend strongly that you go through the AKC look for the national breed club and contact the club directly. Through them you can get the contacts for rescue groups associated with the breed club and often get the names of good breeders who are looking for homes for retired show dogs often champions or obedience dogs that are spayed or neutered, up on their shots, well socialized and available for a nominal fee. We know people who place their older dogs that way for the cost of the shots and spaying and little more. Don't be fooled by the "rescue groups" with their third world dogs from the streets of India, they are a heart break waiting to happen and a disease in the making, perhaps an epidemic.
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU! br br Josep... (show quote)


Well I feel that controls of some sort are needed. This don't seem to me to be a step in the right direction.

I don't favor inbreeding to have pets that are meant to be Pure Bred. As I have come to under stand all pets born to any so called Pure Bred are not Pure.

From little on there have been dogs in my life I don't think any were Pure Bred.

At this stage in like it is unlikely that I will have a dog as long as I live in a City.

If asked I would say that a mixed breed mongrel would be the best choice if you wanted a healthy pet. If from a friend who has pet dogs on a farm & gives it to you would be
best.

Life just keeps getting more complicated.

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Nov 26, 2017 13:24:41   #
son of witless
 
no propaganda please wrote:
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU!

Joseph Byer, Jr., Rights Research


The pet shop bill, CA AB 485, was signed into law by CA Gov. Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown on Friday the 13th; an appropriately ominous date.



The Governor (pictured left), animal welfare and animal rights advocates pushed vociferously for its passage. California is the first state to pass legislation requiring pet stores to sell animals from shelters and rescue organizations only. No dog breeder can sell through pet shops in California. See link to the Pet Shop Bill below.



The legislative model used by the animal rights whackos is one that claims the overpopulation of animals will be fixed with this bill. Pet overpopulation was debunked over 17 years ago but it is still used as an excuse for new legislation. The unnecessary cure for this fake surplus is to ban pet sales from breeders and force pet shops to offer ONLY rescue dogs or shelter dogs and included in this bill are cats and rabbits.



AB 485 bans the sale of pets from known, regulated and inspected sources (including breeders and handlers subject to federal licensing), and compels pet shops to ONLY sell pets from unregulated and uninspected sources (i.e., shelters, rescues, and other similar organizations) that are NOT subject to state consumer protection laws or other guarantees.



IN ESSENCE, AB 485, REMOVES CURRENT CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR NEW PET OWNERS, LIMITS THE ABILITY OF PET OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE PET FOR THEIR LIFESTYLE, AND POTENTIALLY INCREASES PUBLIC HEALTH RISKS.



The result is that California is expanding the market for rescue/shelter dog organizations that are nearly all 501c3 non-profit organizations. At a time when these non-profits are importing dogs bred to be eaten (from Asia, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria), California is trying to boost their sales.



Further, these strays from around the world are bringing in canine influenza and rabies, (as recent as this past summer) just to mention a few serious contagious dog diseases.



Here are some unanswered questions that should have been resolved before signing:



What happens to a dog that doesn’t sell for weeks or months? Will insurance cover dogs suffering from stress? Or adult dogs with behavioral or health issues?



Won’t the pet shops need extra employees to manage the necessary training and exercise needed to make the adult dogs "saleable"?



Do the pet shops "buy" from the shelter or rescue because a dog from a rescue is “adopted” and the money paid to them is a contribution to their 501c3 organization?



What is the acceptable return policy on pets?



Let the unintended consequences fall where they may but California has set in motion the “journey to hell in a hand basket” syndrome which has laid waste to good legislation everywhere.



While I would NEVER recommend that you purchase a purebred dog from a pet shop, many legitimate breed rescue groups help rescue dogs of their particular breed. These dogs seldom go to pet shops for rescue sales but are placed through the breed club. In other areas mix breed dogs are in the pet shops because a rescue group brings them in for a couple of days while the group has a rescue fair. PetsMart participates in this in many cases. Usually the pet shot does not receive money for handling the transaction, but they know the new owner will buy food collars and leashes and bedding from the store the day they get the pet, and since the store has no liability as they are not doing a sale, this system usually works out well. However, there are a lot of pet shops that buy puppies from overseas or locally for the express purpose of selling these dogs to make money. The dogs have not been screened for health, usually do not have any shots, and have not even been wormed. Major outbreaks of disease and parasite infestation come in with these animals. California is a major source of such problems and this legislation would make the pet shops the prime source for "rescue" dogs. I always recommend strongly that you go through the AKC look for the national breed club and contact the club directly. Through them you can get the contacts for rescue groups associated with the breed club and often get the names of good breeders who are looking for homes for retired show dogs often champions or obedience dogs that are spayed or neutered, up on their shots, well socialized and available for a nominal fee. We know people who place their older dogs that way for the cost of the shots and spaying and little more. Don't be fooled by the "rescue groups" with their third world dogs from the streets of India, they are a heart break waiting to happen and a disease in the making, perhaps an epidemic.
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU! br br Josep... (show quote)


Caleefornia is always on the leading edge of stupidity. This will eliminate most pet shops in that looney toon state. As always when Caleefornia does stupid, other states benefit. I would love to own a pet store in a neighboring state. The other thing I foresee is a thriving Black Market. People will always find ways around the idiocy of their rulers. Then you will have a shift to animals not covered by this law. Anyone want a pet turtle, iguana, rat, mouse, snake, fish, bird, chameleon ?

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Nov 26, 2017 13:28:36   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
no propaganda please wrote:
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU!

Joseph Byer, Jr., Rights Research


The pet shop bill, CA AB 485, was signed into law by CA Gov. Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown on Friday the 13th; an appropriately ominous date.



The Governor (pictured left), animal welfare and animal rights advocates pushed vociferously for its passage. California is the first state to pass legislation requiring pet stores to sell animals from shelters and rescue organizations only. No dog breeder can sell through pet shops in California. See link to the Pet Shop Bill below.



The legislative model used by the animal rights whackos is one that claims the overpopulation of animals will be fixed with this bill. Pet overpopulation was debunked over 17 years ago but it is still used as an excuse for new legislation. The unnecessary cure for this fake surplus is to ban pet sales from breeders and force pet shops to offer ONLY rescue dogs or shelter dogs and included in this bill are cats and rabbits.



AB 485 bans the sale of pets from known, regulated and inspected sources (including breeders and handlers subject to federal licensing), and compels pet shops to ONLY sell pets from unregulated and uninspected sources (i.e., shelters, rescues, and other similar organizations) that are NOT subject to state consumer protection laws or other guarantees.



IN ESSENCE, AB 485, REMOVES CURRENT CONSUMER PROTECTIONS FOR NEW PET OWNERS, LIMITS THE ABILITY OF PET OWNERS TO OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE PET FOR THEIR LIFESTYLE, AND POTENTIALLY INCREASES PUBLIC HEALTH RISKS.



The result is that California is expanding the market for rescue/shelter dog organizations that are nearly all 501c3 non-profit organizations. At a time when these non-profits are importing dogs bred to be eaten (from Asia, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria), California is trying to boost their sales.



Further, these strays from around the world are bringing in canine influenza and rabies, (as recent as this past summer) just to mention a few serious contagious dog diseases.



Here are some unanswered questions that should have been resolved before signing:



What happens to a dog that doesn’t sell for weeks or months? Will insurance cover dogs suffering from stress? Or adult dogs with behavioral or health issues?



Won’t the pet shops need extra employees to manage the necessary training and exercise needed to make the adult dogs "saleable"?



Do the pet shops "buy" from the shelter or rescue because a dog from a rescue is “adopted” and the money paid to them is a contribution to their 501c3 organization?



What is the acceptable return policy on pets?



Let the unintended consequences fall where they may but California has set in motion the “journey to hell in a hand basket” syndrome which has laid waste to good legislation everywhere.



While I would NEVER recommend that you purchase a purebred dog from a pet shop, many legitimate breed rescue groups help rescue dogs of their particular breed. These dogs seldom go to pet shops for rescue sales but are placed through the breed club. In other areas mix breed dogs are in the pet shops because a rescue group brings them in for a couple of days while the group has a rescue fair. PetsMart participates in this in many cases. Usually the pet shot does not receive money for handling the transaction, but they know the new owner will buy food collars and leashes and bedding from the store the day they get the pet, and since the store has no liability as they are not doing a sale, this system usually works out well. However, there are a lot of pet shops that buy puppies from overseas or locally for the express purpose of selling these dogs to make money. The dogs have not been screened for health, usually do not have any shots, and have not even been wormed. Major outbreaks of disease and parasite infestation come in with these animals. California is a major source of such problems and this legislation would make the pet shops the prime source for "rescue" dogs. I always recommend strongly that you go through the AKC look for the national breed club and contact the club directly. Through them you can get the contacts for rescue groups associated with the breed club and often get the names of good breeders who are looking for homes for retired show dogs often champions or obedience dogs that are spayed or neutered, up on their shots, well socialized and available for a nominal fee. We know people who place their older dogs that way for the cost of the shots and spaying and little more. Don't be fooled by the "rescue groups" with their third world dogs from the streets of India, they are a heart break waiting to happen and a disease in the making, perhaps an epidemic.
HOW THE WAR ON PET SHOPS AFFECTS YOU! br br Josep... (show quote)


Old stupid Moonbeam destroying California one Bill at a time.

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Nov 26, 2017 14:41:24   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
PeterS wrote:
Why would we need to import dogs for eating when we have more than enough for that purpose already sitting in our shelters?


You misread the article. They are raised for eating in other countries where eating dogs and cats is acceptable. "Rescue groups" who think they can make money by taking the dogs and shipping them here to sell as pets. They are ferrel dogs, usually sick, never socialized but some people are foolish enough to buy into the BS that they will make good pets so they pay lots of money to "save" these poor retched dogs.

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Nov 26, 2017 17:00:40   #
son of witless
 
no propaganda please wrote:
You misread the article. They are raised for eating in other countries where eating dogs and cats is acceptable. "Rescue groups" who think they can make money by taking the dogs and shipping them here to sell as pets. They are ferrel dogs, usually sick, never socialized but some people are foolish enough to buy into the BS that they will make good pets so they pay lots of money to "save" these poor retched dogs.


Sounds as if they are incentivizing the production of these dogs.

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Nov 26, 2017 20:52:27   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
son of witless wrote:
Sounds as if they are incentivizing the production of these dogs.


You are correct, that is what they are doing and an unthinking public is buying into the scam.

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Nov 26, 2017 21:00:36   #
son of witless
 
no propaganda please wrote:
You are correct, that is what they are doing and an unthinking public is buying into the scam.


California has got to have absolutely the stupidest sheeple in the whole 58 states.

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Nov 27, 2017 07:15:02   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
son of witless wrote:
California has got to have absolutely the stupidest sheeple in the whole 58 states.


Ya think?

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Nov 27, 2017 12:09:56   #
boatbob2
 
THE MOON BEAM STRIKES AGAIN !!!!!!!

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Nov 27, 2017 19:15:25   #
son of witless
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Ya think?


Yes but the voters of New York City who elected Deblasio deserve honorable mention.

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Nov 27, 2017 19:57:29   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
son of witless wrote:
Yes but the voters of New York City who elected Deblasio deserve honorable mention.


Going just a little further, we might include Detroit and Baltimore on that list, along with several others. Slowly but surely, the chickens are coming home to roost.

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Nov 27, 2017 20:08:48   #
son of witless
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Going just a little further, we might include Detroit and Baltimore on that list, along with several others. Slowly but surely, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Puerto Rico is probably the best example. The chickens came home and are cooking omelets.

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Nov 27, 2017 20:22:11   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
son of witless wrote:
Puerto Rico is probably the best example. The chickens came home and are cooking omelets.


Dang! Forgot about that! Why yes they are....

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