Where is the "good guy with a gun"? (Page 3): In order to control gun deaths.there is only way without taking away the rights of the 99.9% of decent gun owners.just take guns away from...

vernon

rumitoid wrote:

Gun laws. Do we doubt that the Sutherland Springs ... (show quote)

In order to control gun deaths.there is only way without taking away the rights of the 99.9% of decent gun owners.just take guns away from blacks and you cut the gun deaths by 95%.

flagit001

You people make me sick if someone wants a gun bad enough they can make one they don't have to buy it they can get ammo anywhere they can buy spent ammo and make it so if you idiots think that stricter gun laws is the answer your wrong, in the seventies they shut down all the mental institutions across the U.S. and now those people have breed and now your seeing the backlash from that, you put a mentally ill person on a computer with a shoot them up game for 8 hrs. Plus a day then turn them loose on us!!!!

vernon

rumitoid wrote:

Egads you are dense. He did not shot the SOB, dimwit; the gunman at Sutherlands Spring committed suicide. Stop listening to Alt-Right blogs and Fox News. Did those two guys save lives? Possibly. But that is not the point. A gun law was not enforced. In the states where they are, fewer are hurt by gun violence: that is the point! Those against gun control are complicit in all these murders.

You don't know what your talking about.A man living across the street got his rifle and shot the guy in the leg and and upper torso.his first shot was to disable the shooter and then when the shooter returned fire he shot him in the upper torso. i question your stats and after this statement i can't believe a word your saying.

vernon

PeterS wrote:

You're both right. The shooter was shot as he was exiting the Church and when he stopped after being pursued he shot himself. You both get a prize...

If he had run out of ammo how did he shoot himself.

vernon

rumitoid wrote:

And if the gun weren't there?

A weapon to kill is not the same as a decision to drive a car?

It's the same thing if the driver intends to run over people .

Bun723

Gun and cars...back to bow and arrows and horses...great idea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

debeda

rumitoid wrote:

And if the gun weren't there?

A weapon to kill is not the same as a decision to drive a car?

If the gun weren't there they'd use the car.
PEOPLE kill. And those that decide to kill find weapons. In France and England both of which have stringent gun laws the bad guys manage to get guns. And use cars. In the world we live in today disarming the populace is stupid because the crazies and criminals will still have their guns, leaving the rest of is defenseless.

debeda

vernon wrote:

If he had run out of ammo how did he shoot himself.

☺☺Good point

Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face

There's 11 deaths per 100,000 due to drunk drivers in the U.S. so I guess we better go back to prohibition and turn in our cars-right rumitoid?

Loki Loc: Georgia

rumitoid wrote:

Wow, um, er, ah, powerful, troubling, weird: your point?

The point is that as usual, you are wrong. You take total gun deaths from all causes and call them "gun violence," which implies murder or manslaughter, when in fact fewer than a third of your misrepresented cherry-pickings are actually caused by foul play.
You named California as the state with the strictest gun laws. The actual figures are that California's murder rate is higher than Georgia's, which has some of the most lenient gun laws in the country but isn't even mentioned in your poorly informed diatribe. For that matter, so is Illinois' rate.
You are using a shopworn tactic of the hoplophobic left who rely on creative bookkeeping as a substitute for non-existent fact:
Take all gun deaths from all causes, whether suicide, accident, self-defense or murder/manslaughter, and call them all "murders."
The FACT is that the Sutherland Springs shooter was able to obtain firearms legally because of a failure at the FEDERAL LEVEL, not because of anything that Texas did.
Your list of states is false. Whether intentional or not, it is still full of incorrect and cherry-picked information.
Scraping the bottom of the rant barrel, are you?

Loki Loc: Georgia

vernon wrote:

In order to control gun deaths.there is only way without taking away the rights of the 99.9% of decent gun owners.just take guns away from blacks and you cut the gun deaths by 95%.

Actually, you would cut murders by about 46%. That is the number of murders/manslaughters that the FBI attributes to urban black males between the ages of 15 and 30. Blacks as a whole are 13% of the population and comprise over half the murder victims, and about 95% of the time their killers are other blacks in the first group.
Black males who fall outside this demographic, and black women are no more likely to commit murder than their counterparts of other races. It is incredible that 5% of the population can be responsible for so much carnage.
I used demographic as a descriptive term because as near as I have been able to tell, black males who come from 2 parent homes in small towns or rural areas are no more likely than anyone else to commit murders.
At the risk of being called a racist, there have been numerous studies done that show some black males have far higher levels of testosterone than whites or Asians or for that matter other blacks. For some reason these levels decline to pretty much the same as everyone else, and do so fairly rapidly, after the age of 30.
These particular black males tend to come from certain tribal groupings in Africa, which, coincidentally, are where most of the black slaves who ended up in this country also come from.
Perhaps the lopsided representation of urban black males of a certain age in violent crime is due to a combination of genetic factors that are aggravated by an environment of poverty, violence, lack of a cohesive family unit and piss-poor education.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Now we have proof just how ingenuous you are. The Authorities have publicized that the culprit had three gunshot wounds, two from the gun of the "good guy with a gun", which eventually caused the culprit to lose control and wreck his vehicle where it then couldn't be used to get away, and the third from his own pistol to commit suicide, because he longer had a chance to escape, and so the culprit called his father and told him that he was shot and that he wasn't going to make it. Unless the authorities are lying to the American people, that is the truth of what happened, as he didn't quit his killing spree until the "good guy with a gun" first wounded him, and then he started running to escape, stopping him from targeting any more of those church goers, which saved an unknown number of lives.

rumitoid wrote:

Egads you are dense. He did not shot the SOB, dimwit; the gunman at Sutherlands Spring committed suicide. Stop listening to Alt-Right blogs and Fox News. Did those two guys save lives? Possibly. But that is not the point. A gun law was not enforced. In the states where they are, fewer are hurt by gun violence: that is the point! Those against gun control are complicit in all these murders.

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

rumitoid wrote:

Wow, um, er, ah, powerful, troubling, weird: your point?

Ox

First, assault weapons are banned. No fully auto weapons without permits are lawful.
Second, take out suicides and accidents, police shootings and self defense and all rumitoids figures are changed.
Third, KElly was shot twice as he tried to get away. He was NOT out of ammo. He did not find his intended victims so it is illogical to think he was done killing.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Ox wrote:

First, assault weapons are banned. No fully auto weapons without permits are lawful.
Second, take out suicides and accidents, police shootings and self defense and all rumitoids figures are changed.
Third, KElly was shot twice as he tried to get away. He was NOT out of ammo. He did not find his intended victims so it is illogical to think he was done killing.

Yep good guy shot him in the gape of his body armor which made him drop his gun at that time he knew the jig was up and ran to his vehicle !