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Nov 8, 2017 10:05:15   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Why I believe we have more mass shootings than previously. When I grew up in the 60's and 70's we had much more access to guns than today. Hell guys had em in the back windows of their pickup truck that they parked in the school parking lot. We had more access to guns yet less of these mass shootings. Inner cities weren't a shooting gallery. There was no security at schools or churches. What happened? It's the culture. We have become more desensitized to violence. It's everywhere. 24/7 on T.V.. Video games that make killing fun. Social Media bullying. Take a kid and drive him practically insane on the internet until he believes he has no choice. The use of anti-psychotic and anti-depressant drugs. Starting at an ever younger and younger age. Instant celebrity. Knowing you are an immediate media sensation if you pull off a horrendous act. We have a larger minority of blacks than most countries. A race that for whatever reason has a much higher percentage of it's young men involved in violent crime. (Why I don't know. I imagine that's a whole different topic). One reason for sure; PROGRESSIVE POLICIES. These policies have replaced the father of many households with tax payer funded benefits. Might supply some sustenance but not much direction. The progressive war on poverty has given us ever more government housing slums where hope is quenched. Progressives have given us a failing school system where teacher's unions an important Democrat voting block is more important than a child's education. Progressive politics have given people the attitude that nothing is their fault. Everyone should have equal results no matter the effort put in individually. When life slaps them upside the head they become unhinged. Worst of all progressive policies are giving us an ever more secular society. In my childhood we did those awful things in school like say the Pledge. Even prayer. Progressive policies want to remove all vestiges of God, morality, and patriotism. So progressives, now that your policies have created the problem you want those of us who don't see things your way to give up our legally owned guns. Ain't gonna happen.

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Nov 8, 2017 10:14:29   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Liberals are causing a shortage of fans, were lucky winter is coming, commie!



PeterS wrote:
And how is your freedom being infringed. We ban machine guns now and you seem to be free enough. All I'm talking about is banning certain types of semi-automatic guns--not all guns. If that's too much of an imposition for you then get a mop and head on down to South Texas. At least help clean up the mess, we're running out of mops to clean up all the blood!



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Nov 8, 2017 10:21:40   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Here ya go!
https://www.range365.com/trump-45-from-cabot-guns


Worried for our children wrote:
My gift to you...



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Nov 8, 2017 10:38:30   #
DASHY
 
JFlorio wrote:
Why I believe we have more mass shootings than previously. When I grew up in the 60's and 70's we had much more access to guns than today. Hell guys had em in the back windows of their pickup truck that they parked in the school parking lot. We had more access to guns yet less of these mass shootings. Inner cities weren't a shooting gallery. There was no security at schools or churches. What happened? It's the culture. We have become more desensitized to violence. It's everywhere. 24/7 on T.V.. Video games that make killing fun. Social Media bullying. Take a kid and drive him practically insane on the internet until he believes he has no choice. The use of anti-psychotic and anti-depressant drugs. Starting at an ever younger and younger age. Instant celebrity. Knowing you are an immediate media sensation if you pull off a horrendous act. We have a larger minority of blacks than most countries. A race that for whatever reason has a much higher percentage of it's young men involved in violent crime. (Why I don't know. I imagine that's a whole different topic). One reason for sure; PROGRESSIVE POLICIES. These policies have replaced the father of many households with tax payer funded benefits. Might supply some sustenance but not much direction. The progressive war on poverty has given us ever more government housing slums where hope is quenched. Progressives have given us a failing school system where teacher's unions an important Democrat voting block is more important than a child's education. Progressive politics have given people the attitude that nothing is their fault. Everyone should have equal results no matter the effort put in individually. When life slaps them upside the head they become unhinged. Worst of all progressive policies are giving us an ever more secular society. In my childhood we did those awful things in school like say the Pledge. Even prayer. Progressive policies want to remove all vestiges of God, morality, and patriotism. So progressives, now that your policies have created the problem you want those of us who don't see things your way to give up our legally owned guns. Ain't gonna happen.
Why I believe we have more mass shootings than pre... (show quote)


Yearning for the good old days before Progressives ruined everybody's fun is not helping victims gunned down by a shitload of bullets from someone's AR-15. I am told that mass shooters prefer the AR-15 over other rifles. The gun industry and pro-gun media market the AR-15 to the most juvenile of gun enthusiasts, fostering a dangerous obsession with deadly weapons among immature young men. Considering the lonely, alienated nature of mass shooters, it's no wonder they're drawn to weapons the gun industry promises will become their new "best friend." We used sane legal methods to help people cut back on smoking. Some still smoke of course, but many lives have been saved by our efforts. Let's try to save some lives by considering gun safety issues.

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Nov 8, 2017 10:51:08   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
As we have seen crazed young men, bent on murder will find a way. How about the truck in New York? Like a typical progressive you blame an inanimate object. Yearning for the good ole days does not accomplish anything for victims of death by AR-15 or death by 38 Special. What's your point? Can't make talking points out of the far more prevalent murder rate in the inner city can you? If you outlaw semi-automatics do you honestly believe criminals won't get them? If not, will they get on the inter-net and learn how to build a bomb? Molotov cocktails are simple to make. Punishing law abiding citizens by turning them into criminals with a stroke of a pen would be the progressive way but not solve anything.
DASHY wrote:
Yearning for the good old days before Progressives ruined everybody's fun is not helping victims gunned down by a shitload of bullets from someone's AR-15. I am told that mass shooters prefer the AR-15 over other rifles. The gun industry and pro-gun media market the AR-15 to the most juvenile of gun enthusiasts, fostering a dangerous obsession with deadly weapons among immature young men. Considering the lonely, alienated nature of mass shooters, it's no wonder they're drawn to weapons the gun industry promises will become their new "best friend." We used sane legal methods to help people cut back on smoking. Some still smoke of course, but many lives have been saved by our efforts. Let's try to save some lives by considering gun safety issues.
Yearning for the good old days before Progressives... (show quote)

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Nov 8, 2017 11:04:12   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 


Love it!!!! Thanks, Bill.



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Nov 8, 2017 11:16:10   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
As we have seen crazed young men, bent on murder will find a way. How about the truck in New York? Like a typical progressive you blame an inanimate object. Yearning for the good ole days does not accomplish anything for victims of death by AR-15 or death by 38 Special. What's your point? Can't make talking points out of the far more prevalent murder rate in the inner city can you? If you outlaw semi-automatics do you honestly believe criminals won't get them? If not, will they get on the inter-net and learn how to build a bomb? Molotov cocktails are simple to make. Punishing law abiding citizens by turning them into criminals with a stroke of a pen would be the progressive way but not solve anything.
As we have seen crazed young men, bent on murder w... (show quote)


You're spot on with everything you've said here Jim. Turning me, and virtually my entire family, or yours into felons with the stroke of a pen won't save a single life.
But, "we have to do something" now is their knee jerk reaction to everything. They don't consider whether "doing something" will actually accomplish anything, or not. It just feels good to "do something".

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Nov 8, 2017 11:32:47   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
DASHY wrote:
If you want to board the plane...take off your shoes. If you insist on keeping your weapon which is capable of killing hundreds of people in a matter of minutes...pay $10,000 to be used to help survivors of mass shootings. Just how much is it worth to you to hold on to a killing machine? Join the military service if you want to kill people. Take your rifle into the woods if you want to shoot animals.


I WAS in the military, you self-righteous little twit. My weapons are not capable of killing hundreds of people in a matter of minutes. The only people I ever shot were shooting at me. Why don't you save your advice and opinions for your fellow snowflakes? I'm sure there is a safe space somewhere with lots of flowers and coloring books and crayolas so you can postpone confronting reality just a little while longer. Try to deal with the conundrum that you will face; you either have to learn to live with those dangerous sharp pointed crayons, or face the heartbreaking task of coloring inside the lines with dull ones.

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Nov 8, 2017 11:34:20   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
DASHY wrote:
Yearning for the good old days before Progressives ruined everybody's fun is not helping victims gunned down by a shitload of bullets from someone's AR-15. I am told that mass shooters prefer the AR-15 over other rifles. The gun industry and pro-gun media market the AR-15 to the most juvenile of gun enthusiasts, fostering a dangerous obsession with deadly weapons among immature young men. Considering the lonely, alienated nature of mass shooters, it's no wonder they're drawn to weapons the gun industry promises will become their new "best friend." We used sane legal methods to help people cut back on smoking. Some still smoke of course, but many lives have been saved by our efforts. Let's try to save some lives by considering gun safety issues.
Yearning for the good old days before Progressives... (show quote)



How long have you had these flights of fancy? Do you visit your make-believe world often?

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Nov 8, 2017 12:15:05   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
DASHY wrote:
Yearning for the good old days before Progressives ruined everybody's fun is not helping victims gunned down by a shitload of bullets from someone's AR-15. I am told that mass shooters prefer the AR-15 over other rifles. The gun industry and pro-gun media market the AR-15 to the most juvenile of gun enthusiasts, fostering a dangerous obsession with deadly weapons among immature young men. Considering the lonely, alienated nature of mass shooters, it's no wonder they're drawn to weapons the gun industry promises will become their new "best friend." We used sane legal methods to help people cut back on smoking. Some still smoke of course, but many lives have been saved by our efforts. Let's try to save some lives by considering gun safety issues.
Yearning for the good old days before Progressives... (show quote)
You probably don't even realize how childish your response here is, not to mention how ignorant.

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Nov 8, 2017 13:03:05   #
DASHY
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You probably don't even realize how childish your response here is, not to mention how ignorant.


If it is childish to believe our citizens' individual right to safety can be helped by considering methods to achieve gun safety, I'm a kid at heart.

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Nov 8, 2017 13:05:34   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Your definition of gun safety is gun confiscation. My definition is having people taught to respect and properly use a fire arm. How to store them safely in your residence and when to even consider using one.
DASHY wrote:
If it is childish to believe our citizens' individual right to safety can be helped by considering methods to achieve gun safety, I'm a kid at heart.

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Nov 8, 2017 13:09:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
Your definition of gun safety is gun confiscation. My definition is having people taught to respect and properly use a fire arm. How to store them safely in your residence and when to even consider using one.



Hardly anyone even mentions confiscation.. Yet it seem the first word out of a segment of gun owners on OPP..

Not only do we not want that, but it would be impossible..

Even to collect the AR-15s, someone posted we have 6 or 8 million in this nation.. They are not getting collected..

For that matter, my Grand son has one, the colt version, or one of them.. so we have one in this house as well as 8 other guns..

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Nov 8, 2017 13:18:51   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Hardly anyone even mentions confiscation.. Yet it seem the first word out of a segment of gun owners on OPP..

Not only do we not want that, but it would be impossible..

Even to collect the AR-15s, someone posted we have 6 or 8 million in this nation.. They are not getting collected..

For that matter, my Grand son has one, the colt version, or one of them.. so we have one in this house as well as 8 other guns..


Only eight? Gee, and I thought I was a crappy gun nut for my miniscule collection! I feel better now!👍

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Nov 8, 2017 13:29:19   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Of course they never use that word. Heaven forbid politicians be straight up. We were told by government at one time that Social Security would never be taxed. How'd that go? If you sttart banning certain popular guns and that doesn't impact the murder rate what is the governments next logical step?
permafrost wrote:
Hardly anyone even mentions confiscation.. Yet it seem the first word out of a segment of gun owners on OPP..

Not only do we not want that, but it would be impossible..

Even to collect the AR-15s, someone posted we have 6 or 8 million in this nation.. They are not getting collected..

For that matter, my Grand son has one, the colt version, or one of them.. so we have one in this house as well as 8 other guns..

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