alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

if you are so sure why don't you present some proof as to where he was born and not those phony papers he has shown so far

Viral

The burden of proof rests on those that make the claim he is not qualified. Not the other way around. You can't just flip the script and say I have to prove them accurate, that's called shifting the burden of proof and is a logical fallacy.

His birth certificate has been validated many times by Hawaii as accurate and legitimate.

Others do not agree and have been trying to disprove its authenticity unsuccessfully thus far. If you can provide incontrovertible evidence then please, let the world know and file your grievance.

moose

Because of Obama's insurmountable debt spending,July 1,2014 the banks in America will go broke. Mr.Speaker, dont agree on the debt ceiling with this president.Let Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the idiots spew their wrath and lies,just dont pay attention to them. %17 million in debt is just a figure for Obama and gang.He has made himself a muli millionaire while in office and has screwed over the people at a fast pace,so to speak.He'll transformed the country all right. If Obama had his way,we would have socialize medicine,the borders are getting flooded with illegals every day right now.God will be taken out of the country.We wont be able to worship.He would destroy our Constitution and he has already decimated our military. America, we need to stop him,Congress wont do it with Boehner in office.He is out to destroy the middle class,because this socialist knows this is where the money is.Get him the hell out of office before he ruins us all Congress. Do your frigging jobs and impeached this impostor.

poppabear42

Alex;
After reading so much republican logic, I have figured out how they come by their confused, and sick thoughts.
Since they don't have the ability to create an honest, or original thought on their own, they have to depend on others to do their thinking for them.
The others being their so called republican leaders, like... john boner, limp dick rush, that Canadian, or whatever he is, The Kock bros., tea baggers, rich people, Palin, and that chicken to pay your Dr. bill lady.
Here's the problem with this, none of these so called leader people have an original thought either. So they lie, some huge, some small.
But the lies are always sufficient enough to feed the stupidity in the dead minded.
Actually, these so called leaders function just like an ass hole, they go around dropping, republican turd lies, all over the place, and the other dead minded republicans, swoop in to feed on the turd lies.
Even though the piles of republican turd lies, are plentiful,
the dead minded republicans are greedy.
So they will gorge themselves on the piles of republican turd lies that are already quite plentiful, but does not satisfy their greed, that is when the already dead minded republicans turn into turd dispensers just like their so called leaders.
This is where the confusion, and sick minds become dangerous, because they have no control over their thoughts, or their mouths.
So they take all of the republican turd lies that they have gathered, and start weeding process.
Just like with a garden, except they even do that ass backwards, because they throw away anything that they recognize as being too close to a fact, and throw it away.
This also starts the dangerous part of the process, because now you have a bunch of, so called leader assholes, and the dead minded assholes, spouting republican turd lies, like Old faithful.
But, I must say that which ever heading, or title they live under, dead minded republican turd liars, or the executive branch, the so called republican leader turd liars.
They do stick together, because once a turd lie is spawned, all republicans wholeheartedly jump on board, no matter what lie is that is being told.
This is a pathetic, and sick way to treat anybody, but to do this to one specific person make it even worse.
And the reason it is being so flagrantly supported, and displayed is even sicker.
This person is a black man, a good black man, that has played by the rules, and actually worked for what he has accomplished in life.
There was no daddy pulling strings, not even a scholarship for football, or even basketball.
Everything he has excelled in, has an intellectual, and what must have been an extremely grueling history...All the right things to succeed.
But, due to bunch of sick, and dead minded shit slingers, he is being treated like he is the dumbest person on the face of the earth.
But all that stands out like a sore thumb, is just how stupid, bigoted, and prejudiced these people really are.
They will squeal like someone just like somebody has just blown their nuts off because I said this, but that is their problem.
Grow a set of nuts, and tell the truth about yourselves, and stop faking the funk, stop thinking that people are stupid.
I don't blame people like you for trying to hide this fact, because you are a very sick individual, and headed straight to hell.
I know you don't like being confused by facts, but that does not bother me , not one iota.
Wake the hell up, you are on the wrong side of the future, whether you like it or not.

deb_bus Loc: fort worth and wichita falls tx, and houston

Viral - I said: name 3 things he has done for this country. Not things that he has been accused of. You are only refuting what has been alleged about him. No. No one has done anything about these things, but it's not a closed case either. Your answers are not hard evidence either. There is no real, hard, verifiable, indisputed evidence that he hasn't done the things you mentioned. There is more that is said about him winning the election by cheating than there is about it being a fair election. So no hard evidence that you are right on #1. On #2, the hard evidence is him using a pen and a phone, going around congress, and making laws. That's against the laws of our constitution. How much more evidence do you need. He said it himself. And has done it. He passes laws without congress. On #3, there Is a false birth certificate that is enough evidence that he is not a natural born American. If that were to be taken to court, I believe that the side that said he isn't American would win. Anyway he has no hard evidence he is an american, since his birth certificate is in question. So please answer my question like I asked it. I want to know what he has done FOR this country. You certainly can't name obamacare. It's a disaster. I want to know of something he has done to help the people of this country. That's all.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Out of curiosity, I Googled 'Obama's Accomplishments', and found numbers of such listings.

I realize that many would be dismissed by any number of people...including me, but, if you can't find at least 3 (or more) that you can agree are beneficial to the American people...you don't want to find any, or agree to any.

It's not likely there's ever been a President who has failed to improve the country, or the people's lives, somehow. At least, by virtue of his administration's time in office.

Viral

The question and challenge answered *exactly* as you put forth. You said you wanted three reason why he should remain in office, I can quote you again if you would like. I gave three reasons of why you can't remove him, and therefore why he should remain in office.

An official government document is legitimate until it is shown to be false. If there was real evidence of this, then I would expect to hear so from a court of law.

More to follow later, time for work.

deb_bus Loc: fort worth and wichita falls tx, and houston

I looked up accomplishments of obama. I don't agree that all were good but there were a few that I thought were good. I don't know why I didn't look this up before. I got to see a few things that I thought were accomplishments. So at least now, I don't have to say he's done nothing. It listed 50 of his accomplishments. I still don't trust him, though. There is some things he has done that I highly question. I still believe he is a muslim. And I still think and believe he was born in kenya. I don't think his going around congress is right. It's like he wants to rule all by himself and you have to admit, that it's not good to have a one man ruler. Anyway I'm glad I looked It up, thanx to another poster, that suggested I do it. And I think he was a conservative. He was just being fair minded. There are so many scandals going on about him that it makes it hard to like or trust him. I still think we could do better than him. Thanx for your answers. I guess I didn't word my request correctly.

Babsan

Sorry!There ARE many sings of corruption here.Still are too many to quote.Enjoy the ride down

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Assuming (?) this is a response to my post, Deb_Bus, thank you for taking the time to follow my suggestion. Like you, I don't agree with the entire list, but I certainly found at least three or more.

I am impressed with your acknowledgment. It speaks well to your character, without diminishing your viewpoints.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen:

deb_bus Loc: fort worth and wichita falls tx, and houston

Yes it was an acknowledgement of you. I'm glad you suggested I do it. I hate the thought of having a president of the United State's that cannot be trusted. I would like to think that he is doing some good. You know after all, he is the president. I still don't like him, tho, and probably never will. There's just something about him that I don't trust. But, I wanted to give him a fair shot. That was the least I could do. One of the things I liked In the list, was where he changed the wages of women to match that of their fellow male co-workers. Or that a woman could sue the company, if she felt she was being paid less. Of course, the pay could only be made equal for jobs that were equal. I'm not the most politically minded person around. But, I'm trying to learn. This, I thought, was a good place to do it. I had to look up a few words like 'edict' and 'consensus'. So now I know what they mean, politically speaking. I do think that he issues edicts without a consensus. How was that sentence? Did it make sense using both of the two words? I hope I worded it right. And I do believe it. Thanx again for your suggestion. I learned a lot.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

You're certainly welcome, Deb_Bus.

Like you, I certainly appreciated his promoting and signing of the Lily Ledbetter Act, of which you speak. We have 5 daughters & 16 grandaughters. As a result, I want their futures to be as bright as my sons and grandsons.

BTW, Deb_Bus, I have no trouble understanding your language, writings, or viewpoints. I really don't think anyone else would, either. Relax, and speak your mind. Everyone else does! :mrgreen:

deb_bus Loc: fort worth and wichita falls tx, and houston

OMG! So many girls. That's a hoot. No wonder you like the Ledbetter act. I think that's what you called it. Hey thanx for telling me that my posts are okay. I get up against some of these people that are so politically minded and I think I don't stand a chance. But, I usually give them what I feel is happening anyway. It doesn't take a scholar to see a crook, which is what I believe oscandal is. So they can rant on me all they want. They still won't change my mind. I am always on my phone in these forums. So, I can't post links. Or, rather, I don't know how to post links. I get my information from Christian websites and I don't know how to link that together in a post. So that's why I never have a link to back up what I'm saying. But, I'll do what you said and just relax and speak my mind. Thanx a million.

moose

you must be on drugs poppa, nobody believes your bull shit on here.We on the right know better and you on the left have nothing to cheer about of what this idiot has done for this country.So you do what all liberals do Lieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I'll blame it on Bush,I'll blame it on the race card.I'll blame on Bam Bam, I'll blame all my failures and scandals on Fox.Do you think anybody believes your babbling horse shit. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa You wont see another democrat in the oval office for many,many yrs.It will take us that long to fix Obummer's fuck ups.Now go back and smoke the rest of your crack you dipshit.

Viral

It is true that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The problem remains in proving said allegations.

The reason that more has been said about cheating the election, is simply because nobody talks about election results after the election. Unless they don't like the result, of course. Again, if anything could be actually proven, or even some real evidence, it would have been taken to court like it was in 2000.

Executive orders are not unconstitutional. Neither are they immune to judicial review. Congress, however, was denied the power of legislative veto by the Supreme Court, and a vote to override the President is unlikely (edited for a minor inaccuracy). If you have legitimate grounds to challenge an executive order, by all means, challenge it in court. It's not unheard of for an executive order to be struck down, it's happened twice. Once when Truman tried to take possession of steel mills, and again when Clinton tried to ensure that strike breakers wouldn't receive or continue to benefit from government contracts. So, again, it's a matter for the courts.

Since I already spoke in brief about the birth certificate, let's put it this way. How is anyone to prove they are a natural born citizen if we come from the assumption that their documents are fake and that they and their family are liars? Could you prove that you are a citizen and have the right to vote if your papers are presumed to be false and if I immediately discount your testimony or your family's?


In reference to your later posts. Very good. I'm glad you found something you can agree is good. Nobody said you have to like the man, or trust him for that matter (afterall, he is a politician).