S. Maturin

Talk about *intended* and *unintended* consequences!

Try following this outstanding editorial.. then after some reflection let your feelings be known. (By posting this, you all know what my feelings on the issue are, right?)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/bye-bye-boy-scouts/article/2010052

"We sympathize with the Boy Scouts’ plight, but we would have counseled them to stand their ground. The gender-warriors’ position is an irrational one. Civilization was founded on the distinction between men and women. Modern American liberalism itself is premised on it: Already we see feminists recoiling from the insistence that femininity is nothing but a construct and bona fide progressives sickened by men passing themselves off as women in Olympic sporting events. The transgender movement will fizzle, a victim of its own incoherence.

Boy Scouts officers have put a brave face on this latest move—“It is time to make these outstanding leadership development programs available to girls,” the BSA’s board chairman said in a statement. But decisions like this never satisfy the unreasonable. What they do, alas, is give ordinary Americans the sinking feeling that their country is slowly being taken from them. They may just be right."

pafret Loc: Northeast

What good is a link that won't permit you to see the article untill you subscribe and pay annual fees? If you have access, copy and post the article. This is a major reason posts with links are a waste of time.

Bevos

I do NOT believe Girls need to be in the BOY Scouts, nor do Boys need to be in GIRL Scouts. Girls do NOT need to be on BOY'S Football teams, or any other BOY Sports. Let them get their OWN Football teams or Baseball, They already HAVE their own Scouts, so WHY?? They got their own Basketball teams, and were happy with that, so what is the problem. GET your OWN, girls!!!

And the "gender fluid" can form their OWN groups. That should tide them over till they figure out WHAT they are!!!

S. Maturin

Golly, I do not know...

Bye-bye Boy Scouts

Oct 23, 2017 | By The Editors
Photo Credit: Icon Sportswire / Getty Images

On October 1, the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) announced that it would accept girls into membership. Beginning next year, Cub Scout programs will admit girls, with the ultimate goal of allowing girls to progress to the rank of Eagle Scout.

You may be forgiven for thinking the BSA is sliding down a very slippery slope. In 2013, the organization voted to allow openly gay members but assured parents that admitting openly gay adults to supervisory roles “was not under consideration.” That position was untenable—those openly gay scouts will grow up and wish to be scoutmasters. Would they be banned? Of course not. And so, in 2015, the Boy Scouts lifted the ban on openly gay adults. In January of this year, the BSA took the inevitable next step by allowing “transgender boys,” whatever that term may signify, into its programs. Whereas previously the organization determined an applicant’s sex by his birth certificate, it would now consider only the sex as marked on the application.

Any fool could see what would happen next. If sex or gender is a subjective concept, a social construct or arbitrary identifier, there is no reason the Boy Scouts shouldn’t also admit girls.

Girl Scouts of the USA is deeply unhappy about this week’s decision, but not owing to any residual cultural conservatism—the girls’ organization has had its own travails with political correctness and began admitting “transgender girls” in 2011. No; the Girl Scouts just don’t want anybody stealing their members. “We’ve had 105 years of supporting girls and a girl-only safe space,” the Girl Scouts’ chief customer officer (you read that right) told the New York Times. “So much of a girl’s life is a life where she is in a coed environment.”

So a girls-only organization that sees gender as fluid and alterable is angered that its boys-only counterpart will allow girls into its ranks. Such is our bizarro world of postmodernity. All distinctions are illusory, strictly a matter of one’s own preference at the moment, but for some reason we go on obsessing and quarreling over them.

We are not ordinarily given to gloomy reflections on cultural decline. But earlier generations would have formed a new organization for the promotion of robust values among boys and girls. Ours simply threatens a lawsuit to force an already existing organization to look like the one we don’t have the drive or the imagination to create.

The Boy Scouts is trying to preempt just such a lawsuit—a legal challenge that would force them to accept total coed integration. But surely they realize that the challenge will come in any case. The gender warriors will not be satisfied with anything less than the total obliteration of any distinction between boys and girls.

We sympathize with the Boy Scouts’ plight, but we would have counseled them to stand their ground. The gender-warriors’ position is an irrational one. Civilization was founded on the distinction between men and women. Modern American liberalism itself is premised on it: Already we see feminists recoiling from the insistence that femininity is nothing but a construct and bona fide progressives sickened by men passing themselves off as women in Olympic sporting events. The transgender movement will fizzle, a victim of its own incoherence.

Boy Scouts officers have put a brave face on this latest move—“It is time to make these outstanding leadership development programs available to girls,” the BSA’s board chairman said in a statement. But decisions like this never satisfy the unreasonable. What they do, alas, is give ordinary Americans the sinking feeling that their country is slowly being taken from them. They may just be right.

Bevos

I clicked on it and had no problem. When the box came up to subscribe, I just clicked it off, and went on.

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

The Pervert Scouts are done. I suggest those who grew up on Boy Scouts (when they believed in BOYS/Men only, GOD, and Country) drop their memberships and join TRAILS USA. They are similar to Boy Scouts, with a different name. They believe in God and Country, and do not support perversion.

S. Maturin

Aha, we have an alternative. Exactly the healthy thing to do. Exactly.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

I support a group just for perverts so they can end their search and find a place to fit in together. California has a place for 5 and under now. I am sure they have such a place for 5 and over.

S. Maturin

I've been trying to find that group.. is this it? http://www.traillifeusa.com/corevalues/