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Feb 6, 2014 10:27:52   #
carbob
 
Good report, Emac.
One thing that seems to be overlooked is that if you reduce the
labor force, guess what? less money going into the entitlement
programs, SS, Medicaid, Medicare, ACA.
More opting to work less means less money available for
subsidies for the Obama insurance programs.
We are already adding to unsustainable debt to feed the
entitlement programs.
bdief

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Feb 6, 2014 10:31:13   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
bmac32 wrote:
'They might choose to work fewer hours, or not at all. '

What family man choose to work less hours? Oh that kind, one who takes no responibilty.



In the immediate wake of the Congressional Budget Office's report Tuesday on the effects of the Affordable Care Act, I wrote a piece entitled, "The worst headline for Democrats this year." The basic argument I put forward was that the CBO's report gave Republicans two very powerful arrows to fire at Democrats in the midterm elections: (1) That the bungling of the rollout of HealthCare.gov led a million fewer less people than projected to sign up for coverage, and (2) that the number of full-time employees will drop by 2 million due to the law.
Chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers Jason Furman speaks about the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report and the Affordable Care Act at the White House in Washington February 4, 2014. Obama's healthcare law will reduce American workforce participation by the equivalent of 2 million full-time jobs in 2017, the CBO said on Tuesday, prompting Republicans to paint the law as bad medicine for the U.S. economy. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS HEALTH BUSINESS)

Chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers Jason Furman speaks about the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report and the Affordable Care Act at the White House in Washington February 4, 2014. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

I postulated that the report would allow Republicans to run a slew of ads that savaged Democratic incumbents for supporting a law that cost Americans jobs and was so badly bungled that 1 million people decided not to sign up for it. Hence "Worst Headline for Democrats this year."

For shame, screamed Democrats. Republican spin! Fluff and nonsense! Their complaint? That the CBO report didn't say that the ACA would cost 2 million jobs but rather that it would create a 2-million-person decline in the labor supply, meaning people not putting themselves out into the workforce -- which, in an instance in which a person was keeping a bad job solely for the health insurance benefits, could actually be a good thing. (Worth noting: I made clear the delineation between eliminating jobs and a decline in the labor supply -- and even quoted the relevant passage from the CBO report -- in my initial post.) Democrats repeatedly pointed me to Glenn Kessler's Fact Checker piece, which ran on my own site (!!!!) and which gave three Pinocchios to the claim that the CBO report predicted 2 million in job losses due to Obamacare.

It's worth quoting Glenn at length here because he effectively both explains the difference between killing jobs and a decline in the labor supply and makes the broader point of my first analysis on the report. Here's Glenn:

The CBO’s estimate is mostly the result of an analysis of the impact of the law on the supply of labor. That means how many people choose to participate in the work force. In other words, the nonpartisan agency is examining whether the law increases or decreases incentives for people to work.

One big issue: the health insurance subsidies in the law. That’s a substantial benefit that decreases as people earn more money, so at a certain point, a person has to choose between earning more money or continuing to get the maximum help with health insurance payments. In other words, people might work longer and harder, but actually earn no more, or earn even less, money. That is a disincentive to work. (The same thing happens when people qualify for food stamps or other social services.)

Thus, some people might decide to work part-time, not full time, in order to keep getting health-care subsidies. Thus, they are reducing their supply of labor to the market. Other people near retirement age might decide they no longer need to hold onto their job just because it provides health insurance, and they also leave the work force.

Look at this way: If someone says they decided to leave their job for personal reasons, most people would not say they “lost” their jobs. They simply decided not to work.

There are two main reasons why I think, Glenn's points notwithstanding, the CBO report means political trouble for Democrats this fall. And it's all about how politics and political campaigns are not governed by the rules that many people -- especially those on the left -- seem to believe.

1. Glenn's explanation is thorough -- and complicated. Remember that most voters -- people who don't follow this stuff as closely as me, you or, likely, most people we know -- make their decisions based on 30-second TV ads. (While the power of TV ads is shrinking somewhat, it remains the dominant force in terms of persuading voters.) The Republican ad on this CBO report writes itself: Job losses, botched rollout, etc. The Democratic one is WAY more complicated as it relies on explaining the idea that a decline in the labor market isn't the same thing as job losses and that all of this could well wind up being a good thing for the public. And, for an electorate that pays -- at best -- passing attention to politics, the Republican message is cleaner, simpler and more digestible than the Democratic one. And it's not close. (If you think that most people make up their minds about whom to vote for by reading deeply about each candidate's positions on issues, researching those positions independently and then arriving at their own conclusions, you have never sat in a focus group or talked to an actual voter.)

But wait, Democrats argue. Casting the CBO's report as saying that the ACA will cost jobs is, at best, a parsing of what the report said and, at worst, a lie. On that front, I think my former colleague and political handicapper extraordinaire Amy Walter said -- or, more accurately, tweeted -- it best.

Watching Ds outraged response CBO attacks by R's, you'd think they never took anything out of context b4 to use in attack ads.

— amy walter (@amyewalter) February 5, 2014

Bingo. If every negative ad was required to provide the full context of every attack contained therein, 30-second ads would have to be transformed into 30-minute infomercials. (It's worth reading this lengthy FactCheck.org analysis of the claims the Democratic National Committee made against Mitt Romney in the 2012 campaign -- and how many of them were either devoid or lacking in context.) And, they would be a whole lot less effective.

Now, Democrats can -- and will -- cite Glenn's Fact Checker column in response ads to the inevitable attacks that will come from Republicans citing the CBO report. But that leads me to my second point.

2. People believe what they are already preconditioned to believe. The Republican base has hated Obamacare for years. Republicans view it as a sign of massive government overreach and see the botched rollout of the HealthCare.gov Web site as evidence for why government shouldn't be involved in these sorts of things. The CBO report doesn't just add fuel to that fire; it takes a gas station and blows it up (a la the gas fight in "Zoolander"). If Republicans were convinced that Obamacare was a bad thing for the country before the CBO report (and they were), now they are absolutely convinced that they have to show up at their polling places this fall to send a message to this president about the wrongheadedness of the law.

And, remember that midterm elections are typically low (ish) turnout affairs in which a mismatch in base intensity matters hugely in determining winners and losers. (See 2006 and 2008 for Democrats and 2010 for Democrats.) And, a very fired up Republican base -- made even more so by GOP-backed ads using the CBO report -- makes already difficult races for Democratic Sens. Mary Landrieu (La.), Kay Hagan (N.C.), Mark Begich (Alaska) and Mark Pryor (Ark.) that much tougher. It doesn't mean they will lose -- Democrats have done an outstanding job over the last few cycles of distancing themselves from the national party and running state-focused campaigns -- but it certainly doesn't help them any.

Now, I can already hear people saying some version of this: "It's your job in the media to INFORM people. To tell them what's right and what's wrong. To cut through the clutter." Absolutely true. And that's why I included the actual language from the CBO report in my initial post and why I think Glenn's post is so valuable. But, I would say to those critics: You overestimate the media's ability to (a) cut through the clutter or (b) change peoples' minds about what's true and what's not. As I noted above, people, largely, believe what they want to believe. And that's even more true in a siloed media world where conservatives read, listen to and watch content that affirms their beliefs and liberals do the same.

My job is to assess not the rightness of each argument but to deal in the real world of campaign politics in which perception often (if not always) trumps reality. I deal in the world as voters believe it is, not as I (or anyone else) thinks it should be. And, I'm far from the only one. In the wake of my piece yesterday, I got two e-mails from very senior Democratic campaign operatives. Here they are verbatim.

* E-mail #1: "Those CBO #s are awful. We can get past them and ACA by Nov[ember] in enough states to hold the majority but there's no denying the damage done by ACA and this is the latest blow."

* E-mail #2: "That CBO report is horrible for Dems -- Chuck Schumer would even agree...as well as all the red state Dems."

Politics is about perception and confirming or debunking deeply held beliefs (whether or not those beliefs are factually based). Understood through that lens, the CBO report remains a gift to GOP campaign strategists already gleeful about the possibility of making the 2014 midterms a referendum on the Affordable Care Act.
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Raylan-you are absolutely correct-Obamacare does not kill jobs because you cannot kill something that is not there. The so called ACA will prevent 2.3 million jobs from coming on line. The liberals are getting desperate-one mouth-piece asserted his ignorance by trying convince someone that working only 28 hours per week would be better for him than 40 hours because the government would pay for most of his health insurance and he would have more time to spend at home. Democrat economics at work -get more people to stay home instead of looking for work. Too many ID-Ten-ts in the democrat party. Good Luck America !!!

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Feb 6, 2014 10:35:23   #
godisreal
 
And why would u think that the truth would be told about obamacare when he lied about it so many time. Example YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HEALTH CARE INSURANCE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR DOCTOR, THE COST OF INSURANCE WILL GO DOWN WITH OBAMACARE. The surpreme court passed the health care law as a tax, which means it has nothing to do with health care. It is all about getting more money out of the American people and they get in return nothing. The cost of the plans are high and deductable are very high. This is a very bad so called law, it purpose is to destroy our health care and to control and dominate a part of our economy. Which I might add it going down the tubes the way it is.

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Feb 6, 2014 10:47:03   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
Kevyn wrote:
Teabaggers motto: why tell the truth when a lie will do.


Liberal motto: We will tell you the truth, just as soon as we make it up.

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Feb 6, 2014 10:48:17   #
Retired669
 
fom wrote:
The truth is more interesting than a lie but a lie jazzed up to make the other side look horrible is what these folks feed on.




Yes they do feed on ignorance. Many posts on this board prove how gullible and dumb they are. To this day these repubtard bagging idiots ignore the facts about the IRS, Benghazi and every thing in this government they believe is a scandal followed by a cover up by the same government. They repeat the same lies everyday and ignore the truth like it doesn't even exist. These type of people were born stupid and will remain stupid till the day they die.. :thumbup: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Feb 6, 2014 10:52:40   #
Glockman
 
I guess Obummer just joined the Tea Party!

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Feb 6, 2014 10:55:03   #
Glockman
 
Four Americans dead is the truth! Multiple requests for help is proven. Obummer flying off to Vegas fr a fund raiser is on the Presidents calendar. No help sent to Americans under attack. Is FACT. Liberal lunatics like you are the ones that are ingnoring the facts.

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Feb 6, 2014 11:03:37   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Retired669 wrote:
Yes they do feed on ignorance. Many posts on this board prove how gullible and dumb they are. To this day these repubtard bagging idiots ignore the facts about the IRS, Benghazi and every thing in this government they believe is a scandal followed by a cover up by the same government. They repeat the same lies everyday and ignore the truth like it doesn't even exist. These type of people were born stupid and will remain stupid till the day they die.. :thumbup: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


:thumbup:

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Feb 6, 2014 11:06:34   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
The Presidents name is Obama. A true patriot does not use expletives in place of the name of The President Of The United States of America
Glockman wrote:
I guess Obummer just joined the Tea Party!

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Feb 6, 2014 11:16:25   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Yes he has a name. Now if only he would act according to the mandates of his TITLE and not spend his time reiterating the things he has said over and over for the past 5 years. If only he would treat the office he holds as anything other than his platform for talking points we've heard repeatedly.

fom wrote:
The Presidents name is Obama. A true patriot does not use expletives in place of the name of The President Of The United States of America

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Feb 6, 2014 11:22:17   #
boofhead
 
fom wrote:
The Presidents name is Obama. A true patriot does not use expletives in place of the name of The President Of The United States of America


Do you suggest that it is disrespectful to not use his full and correct name? As if the left used previous Republican Presidents' full and correct names? What about using JFK or LBJ? Is that disrespectful? Shouldn't respect go both ways? And is not respect earned? If he respected the office of President it would help a lot.

The President's true name is a mystery. He has gone by various names and used many social security numbers.

He is known as Barack Hussein Obama II officially (?) but has used Barry Soetoro, BHO without the II, Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah, and Barry Obama.

Might be more, but we will never know unless his records become unsealed.

The way he acts, he should not be called President Obama, but rather King Barry.

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Feb 6, 2014 11:24:28   #
Liberty Tree
 
fom wrote:
The Presidents name is Obama. A true patriot does not use expletives in place of the name of The President Of The United States of America


Did you say that when the Democrats called Bush all those names and showed total disrespect for him?

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Feb 6, 2014 11:41:29   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Having read this CBO report might qualify someone to speak about what is says. The report says little about people "choosing" to work fewer hours. It states very clearly that the Government incentives to have a low salary is causing (will cause) bread winners to work less or not at all so they can afford the cost of Obamacare.
The most horrible thing that could possibly happen to out Nation it the ruination of our American dream. Obamacare is doing just that by financing part/all of the cost of healthcare ONLY for those who earn less money. That cannot make those who are forced to work less very happy about it. It is the only way they can afford the astronomical cost of health care through the manipulation of the system by the ACA.
Get real.

Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Many in the medial got it wrong, and this isn't the first time. The words "killing jobs" never appeared in the report. What was said, was that the ACA would reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by about 1/2% of 1%, mostly "by reducing the amount of labor that workers chose to provide."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/05/opinion/carroll-cbo-obamacare/index.html

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Feb 6, 2014 12:01:23   #
saloopo Loc: Colorado
 
fom wrote:
The Presidents name is Obama. A true patriot does not use expletives in place of the name of The President Of The United States of America


fom, you flaming hypocrite. get off the if you were a true patriot Horse S.

Main -> Why is John McCain a RINO (go to message) Jan 28, 14 22:25:29
(fom) What would Ronald Rayguns do?

(fom) A true patriot does not use expletives in place of the name
saloopo wrote:
........ do you apply the same rule to others in the chain of command like senators or representatives?

(fom) Yes I do In fact There a some good folks... and bla,bla,.. There are some I don't care for but they do have given names that should be used when they are refered too.

then: Main -> Bob Schieffer cuts off Ted Cruz to tell his story (go to message) Jan 28, 14 06:49:00
(fom) Ted Cruz is an enemy of the State. He is a treasonous venomous snake. Off with his head!

Finally, why dont you take your own advise hypocrite. The subject is Reps lie about Obamacare killing jobs.

(fom) Main -> Calif. Drought, the Elephant in the Room (go to message) Feb 1, 14 21:41:41
(fom) Horse manure get back on subject.

(fom) I'm not perfect Barry is.............. youre a phony hack.

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Feb 6, 2014 12:04:04   #
matnc816
 
Kevyn wrote:
Teabaggers motto: why tell the truth when a lie will do.


Funny a moron like you should ask this question. Talk about a fool.

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