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Sep 30, 2017 16:51:26   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
RETW wrote:
Think about this. If we shoot you fools, the people of this country will solve most all problems in this country.

RETW
Think about this. If we shoot you fools, the peopl... (show quote)


You will only create more martyrs who will mushroom up by the millions.

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Sep 30, 2017 16:55:35   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There are actually two tax plans. The non wealthy tax plan is revenue neutral, where every dollar saved in lowered tax rates, is offset by a corresponding reduction in tax credits and deductions, resulting in the payment of the same amount of tax being paid. The second, wealthy tax plan, is not revenue neutral, whereby the lowered tax rate, combined with the elimination of other tax liabilities, results in a smaller or non existence tax bill - the costs of which will be offset by the reduction or elimination of programs/grants that the non wealthy rely on.

In a very real sense, the non wealthy will be paying the tax bills of the wealthy. What's not to like?
There are actually two tax plans. The non wealthy ... (show quote)


Hi Major~~ would it be possible to show me the bills you are referring to, please??

While I've seen lots of discussions here on how
Almost daily, he is pounding away on the themes of faster economic growth and more take-home pay, arguing that his plan will make America’s economy great again, I've not yet seen any actual bill submitted for review??
Have you?? Heck, has anyone??

Forgive me if this has been addressed or a bill is here I have not yet read the entire thread..

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Sep 30, 2017 22:18:19   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
3jack wrote:
I noticed that you didn't post anything to refute what was posted....WTF


There is no need to refute how stanky you liberal mentally defective piles of dung are......why bother to attempt to unstink you dip sticks?

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Sep 30, 2017 22:19:24   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Randy131 wrote:
Socialism and capitalism is the antithesis of capitalism and a free market society, and all are forms or systems of government, for business governs nobody but their employees on how they do their jobs. You have a theory that businesses have taken over the government, but in the last 8 years just the opposite was happening, by Obama and the Democrats trying to control the businesses in order to control the American people's lives, and were successful only to a point, but when it came to what was best for the businesses, those businesses took the actions to achieve that goal, no matter what Obama and the Democrats wanted. Really, there is no collusion between all American businesses to run the government, and that is not saying that certain businesses don't try to control the government in what effects their businesses through lobbying, but it does not reach the level of trying to control the entire government, and in doing so, also control the American people. It's just not happening, but good try though, I think I still want our form of government if we can only get all the socialism and communism out of it, for they are the real danger to taking over the lives of the American people.
Socialism and capitalism is the antithesis of capi... (show quote)


I totally agree...thank you.

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Oct 1, 2017 02:46:23   #
PeterS
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Let me answer your question with glee:

We do not live in a ZERO GROWTH economy redistributing the wealth, we build and create NEW GROWTH and NEW WEALTH.

Government builds nothing but red tape.

People going home with their full paycheck build and create this nation.


And how is this an example of independent thought? This is the same vomit that comes out of the mouth of every conservative out there. If you are going to criticize others for not being able to think for themselves shouldn't you give it a try yourself?

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Oct 1, 2017 02:54:32   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
buffalo wrote:
That is because your simple idea is a myth! This argument perpetuates a myth that some well-off Americans use to justify today's record inequality — the idea that rich people create the jobs.




OK, you don't believe the rich create jobs.


Sooooooooooooooooo Name one poor person that has created one. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Times up

Must you be so glaringly stupid.


RETW

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Oct 1, 2017 03:09:46   #
PeterS
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Private property rights begin with one's personhood, next, one's conscience, one's intellectual property, one's land, one's home, and the fruits of his labor.

This is what distinguishes free Americans from feudalistic and communist tribal nations trapped in the stone age.
PS. Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin and their entourage, Mao and Kim Il Sun were running white ant farms.

What is it going to take to shut up these lying liberals?

Private property rights start with person hood? Except if you are a homosexual or a woman correct! And just how does this distinguish us from anyone else? Unless you work for yourself your labor doesn't belong to you--it belongs to the business you work for. The exact same thing is true in communist and socialist nations. In fact, in Communist China they have a faster rate of income growth then we do here.

As for shutting up liberals--it's your continual stream of garbage that keeps us going and since that is unlikely to change there is nothing you can do about us...

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Oct 1, 2017 03:13:48   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
It's a wonder to me. All these dam fools condemn the rich, for being rich, greedy, lying money grubbers, slave owners, fools, ass holes, tyrants, bigots, bastards, SOBs, two faced, treasonous,
mother fu@kers, etc.

In yet, in spite of all those terrible names and labels. There are billions, and I mean billions in this world, that want to be rich. Talk about stupid on a galactic scale. The left constantly complain
about the one condition on earth, all strive for. Is that stupid or what.

And not one of them would turn down a chance to be rich. Not one.


The left are crazy beyond anyones wildest dreams.


RETW


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Oct 1, 2017 03:16:52   #
PeterS
 
RETW wrote:
OK, you don't believe the rich create jobs.


Sooooooooooooooooo Name one poor person that has created one. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Times up

Must you be so glaringly stupid.


RETW
OK, you don't believe the rich create jobs. br br... (show quote)

Any poor person who ever walked into a store and bought something. There isn't a business out there who doesn't hire based on the demand for their goods and services. Businesses all over this country are in the process of hiring workers for this holiday season. Why would they do that if they didn't think poor people were going to walk into their stores and buy something?

And you are right. You are glaringly stupid...

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Oct 1, 2017 03:25:43   #
PeterS
 
RETW wrote:
It's a wonder to me. All these dam fools condemn the rich, for being rich, greedy, lying money grubbers, slave owners, fools, ass holes, tyrants, bigots, bastards, SOBs, two faced, treasonous,
mother fu@kers, etc.

In yet, in spite of all those terrible names and labels. There are billions, and I mean billions in this world, that want to be rich. Talk about stupid on a galactic scale. The left constantly complain
about the one condition on earth, all strive for. Is that stupid or what.

And not one of them would turn down a chance to be rich. Not one.


The left are crazy beyond anyones wildest dreams.


RETW

It's a wonder to me. All these dam fools condemn t... (show quote)
You are mistaken here. Condemning individuals within that group who have those traits shouldn't be construed as condemning the entire group. There are any number of millionaires and billionaires who are very selfless in how they conduct their daily affairs and are freely giving it away for the benefit of man. Someone like Gates shouldn't be confused with someone like Trump who never met a man that he wasn't willing to screw.

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Oct 1, 2017 08:53:59   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Randy131 wrote:
Socialism and capitalism is the antithesis of capitalism and a free market society, and all are forms or systems of government, for business governs nobody but their employees on how they do their jobs. You have a theory that businesses have taken over the government, but in the last 8 years just the opposite was happening, by Obama and the Democrats trying to control the businesses in order to control the American people's lives, and were successful only to a point, but when it came to what was best for the businesses, those businesses took the actions to achieve that goal, no matter what Obama and the Democrats wanted. Really, there is no collusion between all American businesses to run the government, and that is not saying that certain businesses don't try to control the government in what effects their businesses through lobbying, but it does not reach the level of trying to control the entire government, and in doing so, also control the American people. It's just not happening, but good try though, I think I still want our form of government if we can only get all the socialism and communism out of it, for they are the real danger to taking over the lives of the American people.
Socialism and capitalism is the antithesis of capi... (show quote)


It is not theory. The corporate/government collusion is alive and thriving. I am not talking about mom and pop corporations.

"In a real democracy, like the constitutional republic in which we supposedly live, the people choose representatives through the election process to vote for their interests in government. In an oligarchy, like the one in which we actually live, corporations buy representatives through the election process to secure benefits for themselves and rig the game further in their favor. Here’s one $300 billion example. This infographic by Luke Keohane of Move to Amend lays it all out in detail.

Senator John McCain (R-AZ) sits on the Senate committees on foreign relations, armed services, and homeland security. Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) sits on the Senate subcommittee for defense appropriations. Collectively, these four committees are responsible for funding arms sales and foreign aid, the continued maintenance and development of the military, oversight for government contracts, and the allocation of the budget for the defense department. Through these four committees, $300 billion in taxpayer dollars, which is roughly $2000 per taxpayer, went to private military contractors in 2013.

These defense contractors were able to secure lavish contracts only through their extensive lobbying efforts, like hiring expensive lawyers with existing connections in government. The Hogan Lovell law firm, where Chief Justice John Roberts previously worked before joining the Supreme Court, explicitly boasts on its website about its expertise in helping corporate clients worm their way through the regulatory system:"

Read the whole damn article and educate yourself to reality not ideology:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24465-a-300-billion-example-of-how-corporations-control-our-government

"So it was with delicious irony that I read the other day of the widespread hat-swapping going on in Washington, D.C., after Republicans wrested control of the Senate from the Democrats.

Bananas on the Potomac

Apparently, as soon as Harry Reid handed over the keys to the majority leader’s office to Mitch McConnell, HR directors all over Capitol Hill sprang into action. Out went the call to K Street, the infamous home of D.C.’s lobbyist army. It was time to change the guard.

A senior lobbyist for ag-food giant PepsiCo became staff director of the Senate Agriculture Committee. The House Intelligence Committee chose as its new staff director a lobbyist for the country’s leading intelligence contractors, including General Dynamics, Boeing and mercenary outfit Blackwater Industries. The former vice president of government affairs for U.S. Airways will serve as counsel for the Senate Aviation Subcommittee. West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, a coal-state Democrat, hired a top lobbyist from coal giant Xcel Energy as his senior policy adviser for energy.

There are dozens of other examples. But the most egregious example of corporations’ control of the government is surely Representative Steve Scalise (R-LA), who had a registered oil-industry lobbyist sit in as applicants interviewed for jobs on Scalise’s staff.

Of course, dozens of retired or defeated legislators are headed in the opposite direction … to a high salary on K Street, reward for services performed."

http://thesovereigninvestor.com/government-politics/how-corporations-control-government/

As Richard Gale and Dr. Gary Null wrote for Global Research in 2014:

"Is it only me or is there something fundamentally flawed with the people who are running our government, including the autocrats, technocrats and bureaucrats who number in the hundreds of thousands. Does it bother you that the Wall Street banks and major corporations, many of our academia and religious institutions and our medical, military and intelligence gathering complexes, Big Pharma and Big Insurance have their needs met at the expense of everyone else? They control our government. We don’t. Instead we fear our government."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-controls-our-government-the-psychopathic-corporate-elites-of-america/5371627

But hey, Randy, you keep your eye on the red ball and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Fool!

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Oct 1, 2017 09:01:52   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Buffalo, the vast majority of corporations are self incorporated single citizens, not the employers of millions of destitute serfs that you think.

Yes, the Fortune 500 can get a loan, and we cannot, since the private banks have lent 90% of all their holdings to the Federal government to pay down that $20 trillion dollar national debt. How about a passing a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution?


The banks did not pay down the $20 TRILLION national debt, they financed a huge portion of it with taxpayer money (deposits).

"The American government - which we once called our government - has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich. They are the ones who decide our fate. It is this group of powerful elites, the people President Franklin D. Roosevelt called "economic royalists," who choose our elected officials - indeed, our very form of government. Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.", Larry Flynt, Banderas News

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Oct 1, 2017 11:21:24   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PeterS wrote:
And how is this an example of independent thought? This is the same vomit that comes out of the mouth of every conservative out there. If you are going to criticize others for not being able to think for themselves shouldn't you give it a try yourself?


peterdick: You wouldn't know independent thought if it hit you in the ass! People like you are just jealous and live in a victimization world!.....What can my government to for me instead of me working own my own self-reliance! You are a typical serf....no free-agency or ingenuity to solve your own short comings! Durpwad!

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Oct 1, 2017 13:39:44   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
PeterS wrote:
And how is this an example of independent thought? This is the same vomit that comes out of the mouth of every conservative out there. If you are going to criticize others for not being able to think for themselves shouldn't you give it a try yourself?


I believe the point here is that the more disposable income in the pocket of the working man, the more the economy is stimuated.

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Oct 1, 2017 13:44:21   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
PeterS wrote:
Private property rights start with person hood? Except if you are a homosexual or a woman correct! And just how does this distinguish us from anyone else? Unless you work for yourself your labor doesn't belong to you--it belongs to the business you work for. The exact same thing is true in communist and socialist nations. In fact, in Communist China they have a faster rate of income growth then we do here.

As for shutting up liberals--it's your continual stream of garbage that keeps us going and since that is unlikely to change there is nothing you can do about us...
Private property rights start with person hood? Ex... (show quote)


Oh, but there has been a lot done about you liberals already. That's why you all sit on the sidelines now and cry. And there is a lot more coming.

Keep it up.

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