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Sep 28, 2017 13:50:29   #
jer48 Loc: perris ca
 
Kevyn wrote:
Millions of Americans kneel every day, to pray, out of respect, in grief and to honor our fallen, it is a thoughtful act to question, reflect, acknowledge and respect.


you kneel to kevin but it's with your mouth open

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Sep 28, 2017 13:59:59   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
jer48 wrote:
you kneel to kevin but it's with your mouth open


jer48: kevin likes his ears grabbed while on his knees!!!!!

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Sep 28, 2017 14:00:45   #
JediKnight
 
Loki wrote:
I suppose you DO understand the pain, suffering and degradation of slavery? Tell me, when were YOU a slave? If you haven't been one yourself you have no idea what you are talking about. To say that only White people lack the understanding of the pain, suffering and degradation of slavery is about as condescending a piece of hubris as I have read in a while.
Most of the slaves in this country at the time of the War were descendents of slaves who were purchased in Africa, having been enslaved there by other blacks. The number of blacks actually enslaved by White Europeans is tiny compared to the number that were enslaved by their fellow blacks.
Speaking of reparations; the 1830 census lists 1,276 black slave owners. According to that bastion of conservative thought, MSNBC, about half of them "owned" a family member or two. The rest bought and sold their fellow blacks just like their white counterparts in the US, and like their black counterparts in Africa did and continue to do to this day. Gonna get some of them there reparations from them, also?
During the period of about 1000 AD until the 1800's, more than one and a half million European whites were kidnapped and enslaved by Muslim slavers, many of whom were black. How about I get some reparations from Black Lives Matter for them?
Slavery has been an accepted fact of life from the beginning of recorded history and doubtless before. The FACT is that more blacks were enslaved by their fellow blacks than were ever enslaved by White Europeans. How about you head over to the Mother Country and ask some of the more enlightened black despots for some reparations while you are at it? Every evil you say that blacks suffered at the hands of whites in the US were suffered in Africa at the hands of other blacks. Probably more so, since slaves in Africa were not as valuable as slaves in the US, and since slavery has existed in African for thousands of years before there even WAS a US.
Why don't you head for South America, where slavery continued until the 1880's, and where most of the slaves brought from Africa ended up, and ask them for reparations? I recommend Venezuela with it's enlightened leadership as a prime place to begin.

Oh, yes, the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner that you claim somehow glorifies slavery. Here is the third stanza. perhaps you can show me where it shows slavery in a favorable light......

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Jedi Knight?
Get over it, Obiwan Butthurt.
I suppose you DO understand the i pain, suffering... (show quote)


Loki - my favorite demon! Here's your racism in the 3rd verse: "No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave," - but I already know that your limited education will prevent you from understanding it. I am a descendant of African slaves brought to this country in chains - and yes I do know the suffering, pain, and humiliation caused by slavery and the residual effects of racism. I never said NO white person could understand -that is your limited and selective vision and lack of comprehension skills working against you as usual. I gratefully applaud the many white people who knew that slavery was wrong and worked to abolish it. You have chosen to be the Devil's Advocate because somewhere along the way your mind was poisoned with hate. Nevertheless, I still pray for you because only God can help a person with your serious mental issues.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:04:52   #
S. Maturin
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
A "rational person", knows that every black person alive today also does not understand the pain suffering and degradation of slavery.

Because no black person who is alive today has ever been a slave.


UNLESS that black person happens to live in Islamo Land..

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Sep 28, 2017 14:08:46   #
S. Maturin
 
JediKnight wrote:
Loki - my favorite demon! Here's your racism in the 3rd verse: "No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave," - but I already know that your limited education will prevent you from understanding it. I am a descendant of African slaves brought to this country in chains - and yes I do know the suffering, pain, and humiliation caused by slavery and the residual effects of racism. I never said NO white person could understand -that is your limited and selective vision and lack of comprehension skills working against you as usual. I gratefully applaud the many white people who knew that slavery was wrong and worked to abolish it. You have chosen to be the Devil's Advocate because somewhere along the way your mind was poisoned with hate. Nevertheless, I still pray for you because only God can help a person with your serious mental issues.
Loki - my favorite demon! Here's your racism in th... (show quote)


"...- but I already know that your limited education will prevent you from understanding it...." demeaning, degrading, disrespectful.

Not what one would expect from a "vet"... a US Navy vet..

You are a poser who must rely on insults and nasty language to assume a position of superiority. Only those who feel truly inferior ever do that. Except for the lower level of human being.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:11:59   #
JediKnight
 
Wolf: Do you have to touch water to know that it is wet, or fire to know its hot? If you have ever be incarcerated for a long period of time, do you think it possible to become "institutionalized"? What was your response to America paying descendants of the Holocaust 100 billion as reparations when the Holocaust (tragic as it was) happened in Germany and Europe? Your logic is immature and juvenile.....in other words, you have no idea what you're even talking about.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:14:45   #
JediKnight
 
S. Maturin wrote:
"...- but I already know that your limited education will prevent you from understanding it...." demeaning, degrading, disrespectful.

Not what one would expect from a "vet"... a US Navy vet..

You are a poser who must rely on insults and nasty language to assume a position of superiority. Only those who feel truly inferior ever do that. Except for the lower level of human being.


S. Maturin: my comments were directed at Loki - not you. Loki and I have met here before and I am guilty of giving him a taste of his own medicine. I try very hard to converse here without the emotional insults, but as you can see, I still have much work to do. Sorry if my comments offended you in any way.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:16:43   #
JediKnight
 
JediKnight wrote:
S. Maturin: my comments were directed at Loki - not you. Loki and I have met here before and I am guilty of giving him a taste of his own medicine. I try very hard to converse here without the emotional insults, but as you can see, I still have much work to do. Sorry if my comments offended you in any way.


Your response here is an epic example of the pot calling out the kettle: "You are a poser who must rely on insults and nasty language to assume a position of superiority. Only those who feel truly inferior ever do that. Except for the lower level of human being." Looks like you have some work to do as well.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:18:22   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Damn Mike, you're becoming my hero again, for you seem to be one of the few truly educated and intelligent people on this site.

I just read the 'LOGO' for all the 'Vietnam War' draft dodgers, which many ended up in Canada, and that is, "Patriotism is usually the refuge of the scoundrel." The real truth is that the "scoundrel" always puts himself above patriotism, and won't stoop to the level of the people who honor real patriotism, for he's better than the rest of us in his mind, and denounces those who honor and respect it. In my opinion that is what draft dodgers are, scoundrels, who puts themselves above patriotism and run and hide while others must serve to fulfill their responsibility, like just about all these protesting millionaire football players, and the ones who did serve didn't disrespect and dishonor our American Flag, the National Anthem, and the people who served their country. The liberals like to bring up the 'Four Star Mothers', why doesn't someone ask one of them what they think about people referring to the patriotic as "scoundrels." Some people will defend the Devil, to make themselves pleasing to everyone, taking both sides at the same time, won't they Slatten.



padremike wrote:
No! The Anthem remains the same because there is nothing in verses 3 & 4 that a rational person can take offense to. Do you think if we eliminate the word, "slavery" from the dictionary it eliminates the act? Your thinking is so shallow that if you were tossed into the ocean you wouldn't get your feet wet. Have you ever met a black that was grateful that a couple hundred thousand white Americans gave up their lives to free them? I hope that some day we erect statues of dismembered children torn from the wombs of there mother's to remind us of the holocaust of abortion. There are some acts worse than slavery and they're supported by the very same political party that advocated slavery. They have a history of dehumanizing people.
No! The Anthem remains the same because there is ... (show quote)

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Sep 28, 2017 14:21:24   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
JediKnight wrote:
Loki - my favorite demon! Here's your racism in the 3rd verse: "No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave," - but I already know that your limited education will prevent you from understanding it. I am a descendant of African slaves brought to this country in chains - and yes I do know the suffering, pain, and humiliation caused by slavery and the residual effects of racism. I never said NO white person could understand -that is your limited and selective vision and lack of comprehension skills working against you as usual. I gratefully applaud the many white people who knew that slavery was wrong and worked to abolish it. You have chosen to be the Devil's Advocate because somewhere along the way your mind was poisoned with hate. Nevertheless, I still pray for you because only God can help a person with your serious mental issues.
Loki - my favorite demon! Here's your racism in th... (show quote)


Actually, what you said was this....


"When you say 'rational person' are you limiting your definition to white people who really don't understand the pain, suffering, and degradation of slavery?"
You gratefully applaud the many white people who knew slavery was wrong and worked to abolish it, yet you are remarkably silent about the blacks in Africa who made slavery in the US possible. Make no mistake; nearly every black slave brought to what became the US was already a slave, made so by other blacks, just as they had done for a couple of thousand years at least before the first white European ever set foot in sub-Saharan Africa. You talk about the evils of slavery as practiced in the US, but ignore the far worse evils of slavery under your fellow blacks in Africa. You blame the United States for all these evils and yet you give every other country and race in the world a pass.
As to your other, simply mentioning the word "slave" is not racist; nor is it promoting slavery, other than in your own disturbingly empty noggin.
Your own racism and bigotry is showing. You are re-writing selected parts of history to suit your own interpretation.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:25:48   #
JediKnight
 
Loki wrote:
Actually, what you said was this....


"When you say 'rational person' are you limiting your definition to white people who really don't understand the pain, suffering, and degradation of slavery?"
You gratefully applaud the many white people who knew slavery was wrong and worked to abolish it, yet you are remarkably silent about the blacks in Africa who made slavery in the US possible. Make no mistake; nearly every black slave brought to what became the US was already a slave, made so by other blacks, just as they had done for a couple of thousand years at least before the first white European ever set foot in sub-Saharan Africa. You talk about the evils of slavery as practiced in the US, but ignore the far worse evils of slavery under your fellow blacks in Africa. You blame the United States for all these evils and yet you give every other country and race in the world a pass.
As to your other, simply mentioning the word "slave" is not racist; nor is it promoting slavery, other than in your own disturbingly empty noggin.
Your own racism and bigotry is showing. You are re-writing selected parts of history to suit your own interpretation.
Actually, what you said was this.... br br br &q... (show quote)
The lyric in the 3rd verse actually does more than simply mention slavery....it makes it clear that there was to be no "refuge" - no safe place for the hireling or slave - which in fact is a promotion of slavery. I know thinking rationally makes your head hurt, but give it a try sometimes - you may be surprised!
As I have told you before: two wrongs do not a right make! Even if Africans sold blacks into slavery that would not have been possible if there were no buyers -so that argument is immaterial and irrelevant. Actually, there were millions of blacks kidnapped and stolen from Africa with absolutely no help from the native Africans. Once again, your argument is juvenile....you are welcomed to try again.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:31:55   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
JediKnight wrote:
S. Maturin: my comments were directed at Loki - not you. Loki and I have met here before and I am guilty of giving him a taste of his own medicine. I try very hard to converse here without the emotional insults, but as you can see, I still have much work to do. Sorry if my comments offended you in any way.


YOU gave me "a tast of my own medicine?" In your dreams, Obiwan Butthurt. You have a very exaggerated and baseless opinion of your own linguistic abilities. If you call exhibiting an uninspired bit of pseudo-sophistry giving anyone a taste of anything other than ineptness, you are mistaken.
You have never been a slave. To say that you understand the "degradation" of slavery simply because you are black is, as I said, as neat a bit of condescending hubris as I have read in a while.
You cannot "understand" something you have never experienced, no matter how black you are. According to Amnesty International, there are between 20 and 40 million slaves alive today, even though slavery has been outlawed in every country on Earth. If you truly want to "understand the degradation," sell yourself into slavery for a few years., THEN come back and talk to us.
You are like the man who has enjoyed perfect health his whole life who prates of understanding illness and injury. Horse puckey.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:44:59   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
JediKnight wrote:
The lyric in the 3rd verse actually does more than simply mention slavery....it makes it clear that there was to be no "refuge" - no safe place for the hireling or slave - which in fact is a promotion of slavery. I know thinking rationally makes your head hurt, but give it a try sometimes - you may be surprised!
As I have told you before: two wrongs do not a right make! Even if Africans sold blacks into slavery that would not have been possible if there were no buyers -so that argument is immaterial and irrelevant. Actually, there were millions of blacks kidnapped and stolen from Africa with absolutely no help from the native Africans. Once again, your argument is juvenile....you are welcomed to try again.
The lyric in the 3rd verse actually does more than... (show quote)


Actually, there were millions of blacks kidnapped and sold into slavery with no help from Africans, but they did not end up in the US. Almost all the slaves transported to this country came from an area of West Equatorial Africa where Muslim slave traders were not a factor.
Slavery existed in Africa long before there were any European or American buyers. There were plenty of Arabs, and blacks themselves. Let us not forget that the Muslim slavers traded slaves all the way to China and Southeast Asia.

"No refuge could save the hirling and slave..."
You realize that there were Blacks, both slave and free, in Fort McHenry during the bombardment when the Anthem was written?

From Snopes, a fact checker whom no one can accuse of being right wing or conservative........
In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy’s practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word “hirelings” refers literally to mercenaries, and “slaves” refers literally to slaves. It doesn’t appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation.
In other words, you are writing your own meaning into the phrase.

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Sep 28, 2017 14:47:57   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
Kevyn wrote:
Millions of Americans kneel every day, to pray, out of respect, in grief and to honor our fallen, it is a thoughtful act to question, reflect, acknowledge and respect.


There is absolutely no comparison between a soldier and a football player kneeling.
One has given his life to protect our constitution and country, the other to keep their
paychecks flowing by siding with those who show disrespect to american values!

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Sep 28, 2017 14:57:23   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
You're wrong, most all the slaves from Africa were made such by coastal Africans, which would go on safari into interior Africa, where they would make slaves out of whole tribes, bring them back to the coastal cities, and selling them to the Muslims, Portgugese, and English, until the English finally outlawed it and then tried to stop African slavery trade with their naval armadas.

This was soley a black enterprise in the making of slaves, and the white man just became the middle man and end buyers, as well as many free black people who also bought black slaves. Those same African families are the long term rich black families that are still living on the African coasts to this day. They are the same families that fund the piracy going on off the coast of Somalia today.

In the US before the 'Civil War', there were more black owned plantations that had more slaves than the white owned plantations, and the black owners treated their black slaves much worse than the average white owner of black slaves, and this has been proven by Dnesh Desousa in one of his movies, where he gives references and sources for all the information that are in all his movies.



JediKnight wrote:
The lyric in the 3rd verse actually does more than simply mention slavery....it makes it clear that there was to be no "refuge" - no safe place for the hireling or slave - which in fact is a promotion of slavery. I know thinking rationally makes your head hurt, but give it a try sometimes - you may be surprised!
As I have told you before: two wrongs do not a right make! Even if Africans sold blacks into slavery that would not have been possible if there were no buyers -so that argument is immaterial and irrelevant. Actually, there were millions of blacks kidnapped and stolen from Africa with absolutely no help from the native Africans. Once again, your argument is juvenile....you are welcomed to try again.
The lyric in the 3rd verse actually does more than... (show quote)

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