working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

From 1856 to 2016, the more things change the more they stay the same.

“(1) Repeal of all Naturalization Laws.
(2) None but Americans for office.
(3) A pure American Common School system.
(4) War to the hilt, on political Romanism.
(5) Opposition to the formation of Military Companies, composed of Foreigners.
(6) The advocacy of a sound, healthy and safe Nationality.
(7) Hostility to all Papal influences, when brought to bear against the Republic.
(8) American Constitutions & American sentiments.
(9) More stringent & effective Emigration Laws.
(10) The amplest protection to Protestant Interests.
(11) The doctrines of the revered Washington.
(12) The sending back of all foreign paupers.
(13) Formation of societies to protect American interests.
(14) Eternal enmity to all those who attempt to carry out the principles of a foreign Church or State.
(15) Our Country, our whole Country, and nothing but our Country.
(16) Finally,-American Laws, and American legislation; and death to all foreign influences, whether in high places or low!”

American Party Platform....alias the 'know-nothings'. Change 'papal' to 'islam' and it holds up pretty well, don't you think?

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Well now Commie...your list smacks of crap your Obama Mammie brought forth....but no matter what if you don't like this Nation then pack up your nasty nappy head and LEAVE!

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

The platform is from 1856. And it sure doesn't sound like anything Obama would say. Au contraire, it smacks of you and your ilk.

Since I like this nation I have no intention of leaving, nappy head or no.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

No, I don't think. Islam is a whole different animal all together.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

How so? What're your thoughts?

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Well, I'll say that it's just my own opinion right off, and I'm no expert.
I think that Islam is a religious/political system that is based on conquest. It is a barbaric ideology that hasn't evolved much (if at all) for centuries.
I know there are radical Christian groups out there too. I actually know some people personally who I absolutely disagree with in the way they practice their faith, but they don't beat their wives, marry children, kill homos, or anybody who doesn't believe as they do.
Islamists want to come here, and have their own set of laws, and not honor American law. Look at Europe now. The people there are miserable because of the influx of barbarism that has been forced upon them.

I guess, to put it simply, I don't worry about the street preaching Christians I know gang raping my wife, daughter, or grandkids. Or my livestock......

out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State

You got it right the first time, animals is what they are, base and vile. What other religion do you know that defiles Heaven, making it just another place to abuse virgins? Read that due to the incest there are many mentally deficient and deranged individuals coming from this great religion of peace. It is a fraudulent faith, the opposite of Christianity, the anti christ.

okie don

" First Amendment Rights to Freedom of Religion do not carry with them the right of Islam to establish a separate government with it's Sharia statues and laws as SRT of it's religion"-MB

America 1 Loc: South Miami

The city where I live has many people from around the world,
last few years I see Muslim everywhere.
20 previous years never see a single one.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Thanks for your opinion....naturally my response is also opinion.

I'll start with the violence. I can see your point. Especially with 9/11 rememberences fresh in our minds. I am often appalled at the acts committed in the name of Islam. And like you, I do not fear Christians no matter what some of their members are preaching.

What I try to remember is that mass violence of the type used by Islamists has been, and continues to be, used by other groups as well. I think of the Rwandan massacres, Hindus (another religion of peace?) against Muslims, the Chinese cleansings (Buddhism doesn't seem to have mellowed them) and the continual violence among groups of African forces. Our country was settled by refugees from the religious violence in Europe. But let me be clear: I think the radical Islamists are a nasty bunch made extremely dangerous by modern weaponry. They need to be fought and eliminated.

I also try to remember the victims of these groups. They are the vast majority who I think of as working class stiffs like myself. Whether an Iraqi farmer, Rwandan gatherer, or settler on the American frontier they are refugees who are seeking shelter and giving up everything they hold dear from their former lives. It's no secret the radical Islamists have targeted the near enemy (other Muslims) more than the far enemy (us Westerners). I don't fear these working class stiffs.

Refugees have also clustered in familial and tribal groups through out our history. The history of the lower east side of Manhattan can be told by the clustering of refugee groups from Irish to Jewish to Hispanic. Germans and Scandanavians in the mid-west states did the same. Your beloved home state of Texas also bears these clusters (New Braunfels and Fredericksburg in the hill country). These groups eventually intergrated into the larger society while keeping some of the home country.

In this case I would quote Ronald Reagan...trust but verify. There are tens of millions of working class stiff Muslims who are now refugees in their own countries (no, we are not responsible for their situation) and I think we should recognize them as such and allow immigration in accordance with our laws for other refugee groups. The verify would be a rigorous screening process. I think the current process takes an average of a year, though I don't know that for sure.

I don't think the choice is all or nothing. Sharia won't be the future of the U.S. if we allow Muslim refugees. I suspect their Muslim faith would be altered to fit American society by necessity. It can't be helped, as all other immigrant groups have found. I'm an American optimist.

Well this is long enough. Take care...it's off to work I go.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

WCS, I think this is a very well thought out, and very reasonable response.
I can't argue against it at all, and won't even try.
I think the trust part is what stalls a lot of us when it comes to Islam. It's hard to trust people who are instructed by their faith to lie in order to get their foot in the door, so to speak.
I do admire your optimism though. I can only hope that it won't be shattered one day by a bunch of lying savages.
Have a good day at work sir!

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

Unfortunately, an awful lot of white "Christian" men beat their wives and molest their children, particularly stepchildren...

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Just the white ones?

out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State

While it is true that sickos abound, in Islam these monsters are given the blessing of Allah, this behavior is encouraged. The contol they have is gained through fear. As a woman I would like to believe, that if I were over there I would start an uprising against this system.
In truth , I would more likely be cowering behind my veil, sending my sons to die, my daughters to lives of servitude and misery. I cannot imagine the indoctrination required to turn us away from these basic instincts, those that compel us to protect our children, to work ourselves to deth to provide them with a better life. It is unnatural, their allah is no God.

Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas

Of course not, I was just making a point.