The Dutchman

Counties in North, Northeastern Colorado and Western Nebraska are thinking of making a serious bid to form their own state.
This is what happens when you get large metro areas full of the give me everything for nothing useful idiots voting about things they no nothing about bringing outsiders into the state that want to turn it into something even they know nothing about! Colorado's dumbohcrap Gov and 2 Senators are working over time trying to destroy the agriculture portions of the state with big city useful idiot ideas ...
All three of these useful idiots are facing recall.
If the Americam people would get get off their ass and out of the shade, on their feet and into the heat they would be SCREAMING to recall the obozo and his company of fellow criminals!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yOS7cnwRzm8

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

I've known for a while a second American civil-war was coming soon although this maybe preliminary signs but the condition is right for an insurrection. America is more divided than ever and it is a powder keg waiting to blow. With the latest scandals leaking out and the far-left continue to deny the facts, (part of the Alenski tactic: Deny! Deny! Deny! when will push come to shove?

People, the 49%, are getting tired of having this socialism shoved down their throats and being bullied by far left radicals and political persecutions of the ones in power. It is coming soon whether we like it or not.

Victims of far-left fascism will say enough of the Saul Alenksi tactics pressed upon them. The 49% are being oppressed, delegitimized, targeted and silenced by this unabashed partisanship and culture of hate. There will be an uprising but the question is who will fire the first shot?

I think what will happen if anything the far-left will murder their own to make them a martyr and plant the blame on the right thus justifying the butchering of millions. I’m willing to bet they’ll go that far to fulfill their agenda. Alex Jones can say whatever nonsense he wants, but that is probably the more realistic outcome of a drastic cause of violent upheaval.

rumitoid

It is estimated that 750, 000 Americans died in the Civil War. The issue in the supposed land of the free that ignited this struggle: slavery. When the Declaration of Independence was signed, it did not apply (obviously) to blacks but also to women, natives, or whites without property. Rights for these groups came grudgingly slower, for some at least a century. But it happened!

The United States of America have always had their differences, even well before the union. Working out those differences through the most magnificent government Constitution ever contemplated or formed has been a light for the world. The self-interest and pride of the South tried to destroy this Beacon, and lost.

This present rather blase talk of dissolving the union is so sick and against our basic ideals as to be treasonous or insane. Some of these states talking in this way are heavily supported by the Federal government and would be in big trouble without such support.

Dividing America into feudal states will maintain our dominance in the world? The American dollar is the standard. The breakup into various sovereignties will subjugate us to whomever is dominate, most likely China. The American Dollar will mean nothing. Losing the American Dollar as standard will prove absolute ruin for this land.

How most Republicans have been acting, saying the Governement is the problem, has acted to erode pride in America and respect for its ideals and traditions. It also dishonors the deaths of all those who fought to keep this nation united.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

We can debate until we're blue in the face on what went right and what was wrong in the War between the states. Too many people read revisionist history. I can save that dance for another time if you like. I will say Slavery is wrong and as a southerner the Confederacy was not out to destroy the Constitution merely it was trying to create its own. Either way the Constitution is a sacred document indeed but there are those who want to destroy it on both sides.

I have a huge disagreement that only Republicans have eroded the pride of America. While not a card-carrying one myself you forget there are plenty of those in the Democrat party and in the left in general who have pissed on our veterans, demonize their own country, destroyed traditions and threw the constitution under the bus. Do not blame just one party, they're both guilty!

Shifting all the blame on one side, you're treading on hypocrisy and I dare say from your post you have some naivety.

The world has been trying to get away from the American currency for a while and for good reason since we print our currency to the point it is almost worthless on top of 5th columnist entities such as progressives who want to destroy it. We're doing it to ourselves and not too many people care.

Our power is slipping because this country is rotten from within. This is how Rome fell, out of complacency, decadence and corruption. Our governance has alienated many nations, either out of arrogance or hypocrisy. Our politicians, our media and our institutions have brought more dishonor than either one party. How can we tout we're the free world when our government is aimed to replace our freedom with a false sense of security? The Constitution means nothing to our elected officials on both sides. Benjamin Franklin said it best if one sacrifices their liberty for security deserves neither.

How do you expect us to stay united when one side wants to "fundamentally change America?" Change that will put this country into unknown territory. Those that dare question it is subjected to vitriol, contempt and disdain to the point of political persecution. You really think so much hatred will go answered?

I think not.

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

How ironic slavery started the Civil War - many a historian will tell you the truth was tariffs against the cotton trade. Slavery was the agenda to justify the means to a war which never should have happened. Its too easy as armchair QBs to explain how we destroyed 25% of our male population. Until we stop urinating on our Constitution and
Rule of Law - a new revolution will be on the horizon. Thomas Jefferson himself said “ In order to maintain this Republic we must have a revolution every 70 years”?

Just an example of violation of rule of law; our current President is in gross violation of our 14 Amendment and a Binding Precedence Supreme Court ruling of 1875. Use-full
idiots at play. No body has the guts to pay the price for correcting the record. Your all wet on this one

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Only one of your comments will I address. The very states who are the most vocal about this issue are, in fact, states least beholden to the Federal/Feudal Government. As I am in a rather cranky mood, the nation as a whole would be better off if the states most beholden to the Federal/Feudal Government would secede, ie. CA, MI, NY, NJ, shall I continue oops, DC!

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I think that many Colorado people feel that the state has been Californicated. That is saying that many people who have emigrated from California have moved into the part of the state that has come to control it and the people of eastern and northern Colorado where things are so much more rural and the main means of making a living has to do with farming and/or mining and oil the people don't want to remain in the state because so many of those Californians have settled in the central part of Colorado, around Denver and in the mountainous areas and are voting primarily Democrat.

I am amazed at all the leaners here who think that we of the rural areas should be more willing to have citified people like me to join in with them in all their left leaning policies. This hasn't happened here yet but it well may before too long. It gets harder and harder every time our Legislature has to reapportion and draw up new districts. Recently my county was taken out of the First District where we had always been and placed in the 4th one with Wichita and surrounding areas. Ok, that means our farm oriented county is in with the unionized area of Wichita.

The leaners here must all be from cities and they think that we are just countrified hicks, which doesn't set well with us.

The Dutchman had me thinking like this about Colorado some time ago and although I live over 100 miles from the Colorado border I can say that the people of eastern Colorado are much more like those of western Kansas than they like the Californicated Denver area.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I do wonder how many people here know that originally the Kansas territory took in all of Colorado to the Rocky Mountains. I also wonder how many know how much more the people of eastern Colorado are like those of Kansas and Nebraska. Yep, we started out much alike and now that Colorado has been Californicated along with many lefties from the New England area moving in they are pushing the eastern and northern people away from them.

The Dutchman

Old Roy, most of these freaks have settled in the large metro areas and the ski towns and then we of course have the boulderites in our very own little berkley. All of Western Colorado, West of the Continental divide is rural farm country with the exception of the So. W. corner.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Those westerners will have to sneak off with Utah or New Mexico, I guess. That Californication has really taken Colorado on a serious turn for the worse.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

I like to meet these historians because everyone else has read that revisionist BS and teaches it anymore.

Thank you, this was refreshing.

rumitoid

Lol, how ill-informed you are. Three Southern states, primary amongst them Louisianna, does not hold its own weight and is supported by the Fed gov.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I have no recall of LA mentioning seceding. As a previous post indicated a NYC background, please be there and not below the Mason-Dixon Line. We need not another carpetbagger seeking to improve our life.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

It is estimated that 750, 000 Americans died in the Civil War. The issue in the supposed land of the free that ignited this struggle: slavery.



Your first two sentences contain two mistruths

The War for Southern Independence was not a civil war. A civil war is where two factions are fighting for control of a nation. The Confederacy was an independent nation fighting to repel the invasion by the U.S. The Confederacy had no desire to take over the government of the U.S. It only wanted to be left alone to live in peace.

The war was not about slavery. It was about money. The U.S. government collected a tariff of about 23% on imports to southern seaports and the "Morrill Tariff" passed by congress would have increased this by another 20 % if the southern states had not seceded. 75% of the TOTAL FEDERAL REVENUE was collected in the south and 90% of it was spent in the north. When Lincoln's secretary of state asked why Lincoln would not let the south go in peace. Lincoln's reply was "Then I would not have any money to run the gfovernment".

You said slavery caused the war, but it makes no sense that over a half million people died and several states were ravished, looted, pillaged, burned by union soldiers in a war that could have (by your definition) been prevented by simply passing a law to outlaw slavery. Four slave states remained in the union and continued slavery during the war and for 8 months after the war until slavery was outlawed eight months after the end by the 13th amendment. Ulysses Grant owned slaves and kept them until that amendment freed them. He said that if he believed the war had been to end slavery, he would have "offered his sword" to the other side.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

Amen to that!