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Aug 20, 2017 03:06:07   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Super Dave wrote:
Did someone say they didn't want to maintain slavery?


People forget we were in the midst of a trade war with England. The British empire depended upon American cotton and paid a higher price, since its royalty owned the British textile mills. They next shifted to Egyptian and Indian cotton after the Civil War. American slavery had been entrenched in the economy for over 200 years prior the Civil War.

The Founding Fathers tried to end slavery, most freed their slaves and divided up their land at death. They also wrote the 1787 Northwest Ordinance attached to the US Constitution to mandate all new states and territories west of the Ohio River to the Pacific were free states.
If you read the entire Ordinance, you will see why nobody teaches this document. It honoered the Indian treaties and granted new state entrance to the Union under the Equal Footing Clause.

Full text of the Northwest Ordinance: July 13, 1787: An Ordinance for the Government of the Territory of the United States northwest of the River Ohio
https://billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/primary-source-documents/northwest-ordinance/

Of course the free states and territories were overturned by the Kansas/Nebraska Act of Stephen Douglas, Lincoln's nemesis.

Trump needs to get on YouTube Saturday Morning reciting a history lesson to advance his agenda, with his teaching parables like "The Snake."

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Aug 20, 2017 05:36:33   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Puhleeeeeze Dave! The authority they wanted was TO OWN SLAVES!


Of course that was the big enchilada. But that was far from the totality.

Much like today's Democrats claiming "Women's Rights" is about Abortion. Except abortion is probably more central.

Why is that point so important to you?

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Aug 20, 2017 06:09:46   #
PeterS
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
How deceitful of you. But I expected nothing less. I read the entire article. It was mainly about state, as well as property rights. Slaves were property. People paid for them. Whether slavery was right or wrong, slaves were property. The Civil War wasn't about slavery. Slavery played a part, but only in relation to state rights and personal property rights, which the North ignored. If you ask me, the wrong side won that war.

You say that the civil war was about property rights, you say slaves were property, then you say the civil war wasn't about slavery. That's about the fastest I've seen anyone spin in quite some time. Nicely done.

The south was an agrarian economy. Without slaves the economy would go bust. Of course the civil war was about slavery, there was nothing else it could be....

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Aug 20, 2017 13:11:17   #
Mr Bombastic
 
PeterS wrote:
You say that the civil war was about property rights, you say slaves were property, then you say the civil war wasn't about slavery. That's about the fastest I've seen anyone spin in quite some time. Nicely done.

The south was an agrarian economy. Without slaves the economy would go bust. Of course the civil war was about slavery, there was nothing else it could be....


Did you miss what Pennylynn posted about this? You might want to read it. I especially like the part about Lincoln and how he used extortion and the threat of violence to get as much money from the profits of the South as he could. Lincoln basically said if you pay my extortion fees I won't kill you. No different than what the Chicago mobs were doing. The Civil war was fought because the South refused to allow themselves to be extorted by a corrupt and evil government. The wrong side won that war. That's a fact.

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Aug 20, 2017 13:13:19   #
Rcki
 
Pennylynn wrote:
It may seem clear to you what the states wanted if you stop reading after the word "slavery." Yankees...they think that they always right and southerners are nothing more than dumb hicks that fly a Confederate flag and that flag represents slavery. Well, I do hate to bust your bubble but you are wrong in many ways. First you are wrong about the War of Aggression. The Godfather, Part II. A single scene in the movie illustrates the true cause of the “Civil War”, the War to Prevent Southern Independence or otherwise known as the War of Aggression.

The scene in question involves a Hells Kitchen New York Mafia boss in the early twentieth century named Don Fanucci, whose character is based on a real-life Mafia boss named Ignazio Lupo (“Lupo the Wolf”). In the scene Don Fanucci meets with a young Vito Corleone (who would later become “The Godfather”) after discovering that young Vito and some friends had been quite successful operating as thieves in the neighborhood. The purpose of the meeting was to extort money from the young Mafia wannabes since that, after all, was a big part of the “business” the Mafia was in at the time. Don Fanucci (and Ignazio Lupo) would go to all business people in Hell’s Kitchen and essentially say, “If you want to do business in ‘my’ neighborhood, you’ll have to give me a percentage – or else.” (Ignazio Lupo meant business; he is “credited” with at least 60 murders). Here is what Don Fannucci said to Vito Corleone, from the script of The Godfather, Part II:

Don Fanucci to Vito Corleone: “I hear you and your friends are stealing goods. But you don’t even send a dress to my house. No respect! You know I’ve got three daughters. This is my neighborhood. You and your friends should show me some respect. You should let me wet my beak a little. I hear you and your friends cleared $600 each. Give me $200 each, for your own protection. And I’ll forget the insult. Young punks have to learn to respect a man like me! Otherwise the cops will come to your house. And your family will be ruined. Of course, if I’m wrong about how much you stole, I’ll take a little less. And by less, I only mean – a hundred bucks less. Now don’t refuse me. Understand, paisan? Tell your friends I don’t want a lot. Just enough to wet my beak. Don’t be afraid to tell them!”

In the next scene Vito Corleone murders Don Fanucci and becomes the new “godfather” of the neighborhood and collector of exortion money for the privilege of doing business in “his” neighborhood.

In his first inaugural address Abraham Lincoln made essentially the same extortion threat to the South. But as the head of a powerful government and not just a small criminal gang, his threat involved “invasion” and massive “bloodshed” (his exact words) and a war that cost the lives of as many as 850,000 Americans according to the latest research. This may seem far-fetched to some, but not if one understands the essential nature of the state as a parasitic exploiter of the public. The state, said Murray Rothbard in his essay, “The State,” is by nature “parasitic” in that “it lives coercively off the production of the citizenry.” The purpose of the state is for those who run it to plunder those who do not. As Rothbard further wrote, quoting Albert Jay Nock: “The State claims and exercises the monopoly of crime . . . . It forbids private murder, but itself organizes murder on a colossal scale. It punishes private theft, but itself lays unscrupulous hands on anything it wants, whether the property of citizen or alien.” Or as George Washington once said, “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force” and can become “a fearful master.”

Extortion is indeed a primary occupation of the state and statists. As economist and legal scholar Fred McChesney wrote in his book, Money for Nothing: Politics, Rent Extraction, and Political Extortion (Harvard University Press, 1997), in the U.S. governments at all levels routinely propose onerous or even economically-disastrous taxes and regulations on specific businesses or industries purely in order to solicit “campaign contributions” from them. Then, after many millions are sent to politicians of both major parties, the proposed taxes and regulations are withdrawn. Such proposed legislation is known to Capitol Hill insiders as “milker bills” since they “milk” money from business people, Don Fanucci style, minus the threats of murder. Threats of economic ruination (or income tax audits) usually suffice.

In 1861 Abraham Lincoln was a small-time machine politician from Illinois whose reputation in politics was that of being a champion of patronage politics and corporate welfare. He was a wealthy corporate lawyer who represented all the major railroad corporations in the Mid-West. He traveled in a private rail car, courtesy of the Illinois Central Railroad, accompanied by an entourage of executives, and lived in the largest house on what is today called “Old Aristocracy Row” in Sprinfield, Illinois. His law office was about fifty paces away from the front door of the Illinois Statehouse.

Lincoln spent his entire political career attempting to use the powers of the state for the benefit of the moneyed corporate elite (the “one-percenters” of his day), first in Illinois, and then in the North in general, through protectionist tariffs, corporate welfare for road, canal, and railroad corporations, and a national bank controlled by politicians like himself to fund it all. This was the old Hamiltonian/Whig Party agenda that Hamilton himself labeled “the American System.” In reality, it was an American version of the rotten, corrupt, British mercantilist system that benefited politically-connected corporations at the expense of everyone else.

In his first inaugural address Lincoln wasted no time establishing himself as what I would call the Don Fanucci of American politics. In the first part of the speech he made an ironclad defense of Southern slavery, arguably the most powerful defense of slavery ever made by an American politician. The purpose of this was to keep the South in the union and, more importantly, to keep them paying federal taxes, which had just been more than doubled two days earlier when President Buchanan signed into law the Morrill Tariff. (At the time tariffs on imports accounted for about 90 percent of federal tax revenue. The Morrill Tariff increased the average tariff rate from 15% to 32.6%; vastly increased the number of items covered by the tariff; and provided for a future increase to 47%).

On the issue of slavery, Lincoln promised the strongest possible support. “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists,” he said. “ I believe I have no right do to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

He then reminded his Washington, D.C. audience that this same ironclad defense of Southern slavery was a key part of the Republican Party platform of 1860. “Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them. . . . I now reiterate these statements . . .”

Next, Lincoln offered the strongest possible support for the enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act, which compelled Northerners to hunt down runaway slaves. Finally, he voiced his support for the proposed “Corwin Amendment” to the Constitution, which had already passed the House and Senate with almost exclusively Northern votes, that would have prohibited the U.S. government from ever interfering with Southern slavery. The text of the “first thirteenth amendment” read as follows: “No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to service.

In mid-March of 1861 Lincoln sent copies of the proposed amendment to all the state governors. In in first inaugural address he mentioned the amendment by saying, “I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution – which amendment, however, I have not seen – has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service . . . . holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable”.

So on the issue of slavery Lincoln did not even entertain the notion of some kind of compromise. He issued an ironclad defense of Southern slavery, period. There was nothing to compromise, in his mind. The only opposition to slavery that was even discussed by Lincoln and the Republican Party at the time was opposition to the extension of slavery into the new territories, of which they gave two reasons. The first reason was that, because of the Three-Fifths Clause of the Constitution, limiting the extension of slavery would limit Democratic Party representation in Congress, making it more likely that “the American System” could become law. Second, the Republican Party wanted to pander to the white supremacist North by promising white Northern voters in the soon-to-become states that there would be no black people living among them or competing with them for jobs.

On the issue of tariffs, on the other hand, Lincoln was a monstrous, uncompromising tyrant. “There needs to be no bloodshed or violence,” he announced in his first address. What on earth, one may ask, could cause an American president to think of the possibility of inflicting “bloodshed or violence” on his own citizens?! Lincoln explained in the next sentence: “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using force against or among the people anywhere” (emphasis added).

This was Abe Lincoln’s Don Fanucci moment. What he was saying was essentially this:

“Here’s the deal. Slavery is already legal and constitutional under the U.S. system of government, and has been since 1776. We in the North have no qualms about making slavery “express and irrevocable” right in the text of the U.S. Constitution. So if you are worried about Northern instigators of slave rebellions, you are mistaken. Stay in the union and your slave property will continue to be very well protected.”

“Slavery is a very profitable business, and we in the North intend to share in those profits. That is one of the main purposes of the Morrill Tariff, which has just more than doubled the average tariff rate. Since you, the South, export at least three-fourths of all your agricultural products and rely so heavily on foreign trade, we in the North cannot – and will not – tolerate the free-trade policies that you have written into your Confederate Constitution. (The Confederate Constitution outlawed protectionist tariffs altogether). Free trade in the South, and a 50% tariff rate in the North, the cornerstone of the Republican Party Platform of 1860, will destroy the Northern ports and much of our commerce. We will not allow this to happen. We have the willingness and the ability to inflict violence, bloodshed, force, and invasion on the Southern people. We will not back down this time to the South Carolina tariff nullifiers as my predecessor, President Andrew Jackson did some thirty years ago."

“We are not being any more greedy here than say, our European counterparts. We only want to wet our beaks, so to speak, by taxing a portion of your slave profits. There need not be any violence or bloodshed –as long as you do what we say.”


This is how the Southern politicians understood the motivations of the Yankee political elite in early 1861. Jefferson Davis himself demonstrated this understanding in his own first inaugural address, delivered in Montgomery, Alabama, on February 18, 1861:

“Our true policy is peace, and the freest trade which our necessities will permit . . . and that . . . there should be the fewest practicable restrictions upon the interchange of commodities . . . . If, however, passion or the lust of dominion should cloud the judgment or inflame the ambition of (the Northern states), we must prepare to meet the emergency and to maintain, by the final arbitrament of the sword, the position we have assumed . . .”

Whatever other reasons some of the Southern states might have given for secession is irrelevant to the question of why there was a war. Secession does not necessitate war. Lincoln promised war over tax collection in his first inaugural address. When the Southern states refused to pay his beloved Morrill Tariff at the Southern ports, he kept his promise of “invasion and bloodshed” and waged war on the Southern states. No gangster in the history of the world has ever enforced an extortion racket on such a gargantuan scale of death, plunder, and destruction.

http://no-ruler.net/11136/the-don-fanucci-of-american-politics/#comment-720
I must also give credit to an OPP member, Katron who originally posted this a few months ago: http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-37405-1.html
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp
http://www.civilwarhome.com/davisinauguraladdress.html

But, what about slavery? That old and worn out cry of the Blacks in the USA, the white man did this or that. Truth is sometimes stranger than fact. But, more later on the lies the North believes about slavery later.
It may seem clear to you what the states wanted if... (show quote)

Great info, but comparing Lincoln to Don Faucci is much too nice for him even though there are similarities. All one must do is read all of Lincoln's speeches starting when he was in congress. He then spoke of states tights and a states right to secession. After becoming president he turned about face. One of his speeches he said the south could keep its slaves if they would just come back and pay their taxes. One speech he stated that the black people were an inferior race and did not deserve the right to vote. And lets not forget the emancipation proclamation, the biggest fraud ever given by an Am
erican president. He freed the slaves of the south which he had no authority over because they had seceded, and said the northern states and West Virginia could keep their slaves. Yes, the north had more slaves than the south. And why did he single out West Virginia (it used to be part of Virginia and a whole other story). Our schools teach our children the first sentence of the emancipation proclamation and then tell them that Lincoln freed the slaves. It was predicted over a hundred years ago that the federal government would lie to the people about the War of Northern Aggression.
Lincoln as evidenced by his speeches was a racist and a white supremacist

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Aug 20, 2017 13:46:59   #
Rcki
 
Lincoln was the most ruthless war criminal the world has ever known. General Sherman under orders of Lincoln burned the following cities and towns in South Carolina: ALLENDALE,ALSTON,BAMBERG,BARNWELL,BLACKSTOCKS,BLACKVILLE,BLYTHEWOOD,CAMDEN,CHERAW,CHESTERFIELD,COLUMBIA,DENMARK,DUNCANVILLE,ESTILL,GILLIONSVLLE,GRAHAMVILLE,HANGINGROCK,HARDEEVILLE,HICKORY HILL,LANCASTER,LAWTONVILLE,LEXINTON,LIBERTY HILL,McPHERSONVILLE,MIDWAY,MONTICELLO,ORANGEBERG,POCOTALIGO,POMARIA,PURRYSBURG,RIDGEWAY,ROBERTSVILLE,SPRINGFIELD,WILLISTON,andWINNSBORO. women and children of these cities and towns were murdered. This is only sc
.it is estimated he ordered murders of 60.000 women and children.

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Aug 20, 2017 18:41:16   #
TEAM CALAWAY
 
PaulPisces wrote:
There are definitely those out there that want to say the Civil Was was not about slavery.
Can't recall if that has been expressed on OPP or not, but the sentiment definitely exists.




The southern states did not want to be unionized and live under the union. Slavery was going on, surley people knew the slaves would be freed. Me personaly I never have agreed with the slavery that happened in this country, I think it is wrong, and I can't grasp the idae that people think you can own another human being. To my understanding the reasons for the civil war were different, it depends on who you are talking to or about. I don't think it was all about slavery.

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Aug 20, 2017 19:16:25   #
Steve 700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:

It is a shame that you cannot accept reality or fathom the physics of extremely violent events, like building collapses and high speed plane crashes. All those things that speak to rational human beings with a lick of common sense are simply beyond mental midgets such as yourself. If you want to stay anchored in the dark mud of conspiracies that's your loss not mine
. Listen you stupid ass insane mother Fokker, produce the pictures and prove your case and stop with the bull shit insults.
No, there wasn't. Where did you get that idea. Because they photographed a number of different items all of which could have been put in the back of one American pickup truck at each location????? That convinces you??? I gave you aerial helicopter video footage that you probably didn't even look at from within a half hour after whatever happened happened. (While things were still smoking with a little fire too) If there was more than one pickup truck worth of parts, surely pictures exist and are available to you of all the wreckage strewn all over . You are Fricking Nuts. Hundreds of seats and all they show is one square foot of fabric from one seat with the American Airlines label on it LOL. There is something wrong with you. In another instance they show one's broken off wheel without the rim even being bent. Where is the rest of the wheels that plane had at least 8 wheels under the wings and probably 16+ the back wheels. Let's see you produce some pictures where you can see the wreckage strewn all over, you nut case. And don't tell me that all vaporized. Those planes can even go 500 miles an hour in thick ground-level air. That's why they go 30,000 feet so they can approach the speed of sound. Let's see the pictures, Dumbo, not just a few pictures of isolated items, which is all the government ever showed because it was nothing else other than what they delivered to take pictures of, like that hole in the field with half a truck load of partially melted scrap metal dumped into it. They cordoned off the areas real quick so people couldn't see, but that couldn't stop the helicopters. Let's See you produce pictures of the wreckage to prove your case and that you are rational and not insane.

And if you can't do it, it is not only proves that you are a willfully blind self-deluded nutcase but a liar as well. ('cuz surely there are pictures if there was wreckage)

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Aug 20, 2017 21:55:13   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Rcki wrote:
Lincoln was the most ruthless war criminal the world has ever known. General Sherman under orders of Lincoln burned the following cities and towns in South Carolina: ALLENDALE,ALSTON,BAMBERG,BARNWELL,BLACKSTOCKS,BLACKVILLE,BLYTHEWOOD,CAMDEN,CHERAW,CHESTERFIELD,COLUMBIA,DENMARK,DUNCANVILLE,ESTILL,GILLIONSVLLE,GRAHAMVILLE,HANGINGROCK,HARDEEVILLE,HICKORY HILL,LANCASTER,LAWTONVILLE,LEXINTON,LIBERTY HILL,McPHERSONVILLE,MIDWAY,MONTICELLO,ORANGEBERG,POCOTALIGO,POMARIA,PURRYSBURG,RIDGEWAY,ROBERTSVILLE,SPRINGFIELD,WILLISTON,andWINNSBORO. women and children of these cities and towns were murdered. This is only sc
.it is estimated he ordered murders of 60.000 women and children.
Lincoln was the most ruthless war criminal the wor... (show quote)


I sympathize, but war is a BITCH....

In a real war, there is no "Compromise". You either win or you get your ass kicked up onto your shoulders. The south lost. Get over it.

Lee would have burned every city in the North if he could have.

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Aug 21, 2017 01:45:45   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
PeterS wrote:
You say that the civil war was about property rights, you say slaves were property, then you say the civil war wasn't about slavery. That's about the fastest I've seen anyone spin in quite some time. Nicely done.

The south was an agrarian economy. Without slaves the economy would go bust. Of course the civil war was about slavery, there was nothing else it could be....


I think you are quite wrong. 75% of the white population in the deep south was poor white trash. They could have picked their own cotton for a modes wage and made farming quite profitable. By the post Civil War, students took off summer vacation to help with the harvest. Imagine that, students helping with the harvest. Maybe they could help pay down their student loans that way today?

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Aug 21, 2017 01:54:11   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Did you miss what Pennylynn posted about this? You might want to read it. I especially like the part about Lincoln and how he used extortion and the threat of violence to get as much money from the profits of the South as he could. Lincoln basically said if you pay my extortion fees I won't kill you. No different than what the Chicago mobs were doing. The Civil war was fought because the South refused to allow themselves to be extorted by a corrupt and evil government. The wrong side won that war. That's a fact.
Did you miss what Pennylynn posted about this? You... (show quote)


Ridiculous. The northern textile mills of Connecticut and Massachusetts were competing with the British textile industry, owned by the royal family, in a game of cutthroat competition. The Brits used white serfs to man their mills, and taxed the hell out of the populace to subsidize their trade with the southern cotton growers, paying a much higher price than the Yanks.

It was Congress's responsibility to protect American workers from foreign competition. Any race that will enslave another race, will enslave his own race. The British royalty are perfect examples of this. There is a reason why we had a Revolution against feudal kings to put an end to serfdom and slavery.

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Aug 21, 2017 01:59:02   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Rcki wrote:
Great info, but comparing Lincoln to Don Faucci is much too nice for him even though there are similarities. All one must do is read all of Lincoln's speeches starting when he was in congress. He then spoke of states tights and a states right to secession. After becoming president he turned about face. One of his speeches he said the south could keep its slaves if they would just come back and pay their taxes. One speech he stated that the black people were an inferior race and did not deserve the right to vote. And lets not forget the emancipation proclamation, the biggest fraud ever given by an Am
erican president. He freed the slaves of the south which he had no authority over because they had seceded, and said the northern states and West Virginia could keep their slaves. Yes, the north had more slaves than the south. And why did he single out West Virginia (it used to be part of Virginia and a whole other story). Our schools teach our children the first sentence of the emancipation proclamation and then tell them that Lincoln freed the slaves. It was predicted over a hundred years ago that the federal government would lie to the people about the War of Northern Aggression.
Lincoln as evidenced by his speeches was a racist and a white supremacist
Great info, but comparing Lincoln to Don Faucci is... (show quote)


Riki, I have read many of Lincoln's speeches and debates, considering their historical context. I think you are highly misguided by an education attempting to smear the success of our nation's wealth as unjust, instead of being built by free men and free markets.

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Aug 21, 2017 06:26:29   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Interesting, so you read his 3 hour and some odd minute speech at Peoria. I found this speech odd, somehow out of character from his previous speeches. It is a very moving address in response to Stephen Douglas, although it is true that Lincoln literally followed Douglas around prior to the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act. When I first read this speech, which was actually the second time he delivered it to an audience with the first being in Springfield to a much smaller audience, what grabbed my attention was the change in tone. By this, and I am sure you noted being an individual interested in Lincoln, was his shift from being rather self-centered and littering his speeches with anecdotal insights into his personality which seemed to be mainly off the cuff or ab-lib to someone who had a prepared and read speech... But, this speech was truly a milestone in his career and I believe set him up for the presidential election. Although I found his speech very well researched, he seemed to stumble when the question of what to do with the slave when freed. And mind you, he did not see that there was a Constitutional case for outlawing slavery, but spreading the institution on into newly admitted states could and should be halted. At this point, I believe strongly, that he was positive that slavery would be ending as a "natural" growth took place in the Union. However, back to the question of what to do with the black... his response was "free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia — to their own native land." I do not see this as smearing him or his reputation or a failure of his presidency. And he did in fact hold the South hostage with the Morrill Tariff of 1861, this I do not think any historian would rebuke or rebut.

Prior to the Northern Aggression (NA), there were no income taxes for anyone, north or south. The main source of revenue for the nation was tariff, so in 1860 about 95 percent of income to run the nation and pay or bills, (thanks to Benjamin Franklin insisting that we needed to borrow money to establish a credit rating) was raised by tariff placed on imported goods. A tariff is a tax on selected imports, most commonly finished or manufactured products. A high tariff is usually legislated not only to raise revenue, but also to protect domestic industry form foreign competition. By placing such a high, protective tariff on imported goods it makes them more expensive to buy than the same domestic goods. This allows domestic industries to charge higher prices and make more money on sales that might otherwise be lost to foreign competition because of cheaper prices (without the tariff) or better quality. This naturally causes the domestic consumers to pay higher prices and have a lower standard of living. Therefore, I will not complain about you calling Southerners "Poor White Trash" although it was rude and crass to do so. Anyway back to tariffs, tariffs on most industrial products also hurt other domestic industries that must pay higher prices for goods they need to make their products. Because the nature and products of regional economies can vary widely, high tariffs are sometimes good for one section of the country, but damaging to another section of the country. High tariffs are particularly hard on exporters since they must cope with higher domestic costs and retaliatory foreign tariffs that put them at a pricing disadvantage. This has a depressing effect on both export volume and profit margins. High tariffs have been a frequent cause of economic disruption, strife and war. In the 1850’s the South accounted for anywhere from 72 to 82% of U. S. exports. They were largely dependent, however, on Europe or the North for the manufactured goods needed for both agricultural production and consumer needs. Northern states received about 20% of the South’s agricultural production. The vast majority of export volume went to Europe. A protective tariff was then a substantial benefit to Northern manufacturing states, but meant considerable economic hardship for the agricultural South. For these reasons, the Morrill Tariff was the driving point to secession of seven states.

I might also remind you, the Southerns never surrendered! The surrender at Appomattox Court House was a military surrender of an army which was surrounded. The Confederate government never surrendered and had they attempted to do so, it is highly unlikely that Lincoln and his administration would have accepted a surrender. And this is interesting in itself, because to do so would have legally acknowledged the existence of the Confederate States of America and would have legitimized it and given it certain legal status internationally. Indeed, the President Jefferson Davis (duly elected by voters) was captured and held for two years illegally while the north tried to find a way to try him for treason, without benefit of the protection of the 6th Amendment Right of a speedy trail.

In conclusion, slavery was shameful and a black mark in our history. However, you can not argue that the North and in particular James Buchanan and Abraham Lincoln treated the South fairly. I could go into the historical figures of financial loss to the South and how northerners raped the land and property owners of the South, but I will leave that for another time or thread.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Riki, I have read many of Lincoln's speeches and debates, considering their historical context. I think you are highly misguided by an education attempting to smear the success of our nation's wealth as unjust, instead of being built by free men and free markets.

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Aug 21, 2017 07:30:35   #
Rcki
 
The South lost, yes. However they fought for the one and only true and just cause. The south lost because Lee surrendered. But I sure as hell didnt, and will never surrender to the type of aggression that we had then and I am proud that my great great grand father served in company C artillery was wounded and captured in Newborn Nc was prisoner in one of the worst prisons in New York was released in 1865 and walked home to Sc and still lived to be 80.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:59:05   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Lest anyone be uncertain, read the Declarations of Causes of Seceding States for Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia. They make clear in plain language that it was about their desire to maintain the institution of slavery.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#virginia

Mark Twain is attributed with a quote that speaks to this thread: "The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice."

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