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Aug 7, 2017 14:39:58   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I insulted you because you are contemptible. You are a left wing hack. no amount of proof will work with someone like you. You are willfully ignorant.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/12/former-fbi-agent-says-hes-troubled-by-comeys-relationship-with-special-counsel-mueller/



moldyoldy wrote:
Insults do not win arguments. One persons opinion who has a political axe to grind, is not always factual. The statute is based on a close personal relationship that is unproven, The fact that they both worked and followed similar paths at work does not make a relationship. There is no proof, just the bleating of Cruz and Newt, trying to defend trump, who is a goner.

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Aug 7, 2017 15:17:07   #
moldyoldy
 
JFlorio wrote:
I insulted you because you are contemptible. You are a left wing hack. no amount of proof will work with someone like you. You are willfully ignorant.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/12/former-fbi-agent-says-hes-troubled-by-comeys-relationship-with-special-counsel-mueller/


Is James Comey 'Best Friends' With Robert Mueller, and Is That a Conflict of Interest?
Comey's attorney said that the two men know each other from working together but are hardly "best friends", and experts told us the relationship doesn't meet conflict of interest legal criteria.

CLAIM
Fired FBI Director James Comey and Special Counsel Bob Mueller are "best friends" which presents a conflict of interest in the Russia investigation.
RATING
MOSTLY FALSE
WHAT'S TRUE

Comey and Mueller are former Department of Justice colleagues, and they have a work-related friendship.

WHAT'S FALSE

Comey's attorney says they are not "best friends", and government ethics experts say the relationship doesn't rise to the level of an illegal conflict in relation to the investigation in any case.

ORIGIN
On 12 June 2017, Breitbart.com published a story reporting that former Assistant FBI Director James Kallstrom had told them that fired Federal Bureau of Investigation director James Comey is “best friends” with Robert Mueller, a former Bureau director who has been appointed special counsel to lead an investigation into alleged collusion between Russia and the campaign of President Donald Trump. Further, he reportedly told them, that relationship presents a conflict of interest which is hampering the Russia probe:
Bob Mueller and Jim Comey are the best of friends and have been for over two decades. How do you appoint a special counsel who is a longtime friend? It’s a massive conflict of interest.
Breitbart also cited a piece written by journalist Garrett Graff in Politico magazine, in which Graff describes the pair’s working relationship:
While Mueller technically reported to Comey as deputy attorney general, Comey, two decades his junior, treated Mueller as a close friend and almost mentor. The men had known each other for years as each rose into the small, elite fraternity of prosecutors at the top of the Justice Department
As to Kallstrom’s comment, it should be clarified: Comey didn’t appoint Mueller — he had been fired by the time Mueller was brought on board by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
We spoke to Comey’s attorney, who said the extent of the friendship between the two men has been exaggerated. We also consulted experts about whether a past friendship could present a perception of a current conflict. As the term “perception” implies, the answer to that question is subjective.
David Kelley, Comey’s attorney, said the idea that Comey is “best friends” with Mueller is an overstatement. He said the two have a genial relationship as former colleagues — both men have long legal careers that involve overlapping time spent working within the Department of Justice. Their history is even well-documented by the news media. But Kelley pointed out they are not close personal friends:
Jim and Bob are friends in the sense that co-workers are friends. They don’t really have a personal relationship. Jim has never been to Bob’s house and Bob has never been to Jim’s house. … They’ve had lunch together once, dinner together twice, once with their spouses and once after Jim became FBI director so Bob could give him a run-down on what to look out for. [Bob] is not a mentor. He’s friendly, as colleagues are.
Friendship or no, a pre-existing relationship doesn’t mean that Mueller’s role in the investigation rises to the level of the legal definition of a conflict of interest that would require recusal, said Craig Holman, government affairs lobbyist for the accountability and transparency lobbying organization Public Citizen:
Conflict of interest means there’s some financial or pecuniary benefit that could come one’s way [as a result of an investigation]. For example, If I had worked at a business and business has something at stake, that’s a conflict. But just people being friends and knowing each other, that’s not a conflict.
Hana Callaghan, director of the Government Ethics Program for Santa Clara University’s Markkula Center for Applied Ethics, told us she doesn’t believe the pair’s past ties rise to the level of a recusable event, but added that it’s not a clear-cut issue when it comes to public perception:
[A friendship] could give rise to the appearance that [Mueller] was acting out of loyalty to his friend as opposed to the public’s best interest in finding out what happened. By the same token [Mueller] has a reputation for being a fair and and impartial public servant. So it’s not a black and white question. …
Not knowing what their past relationship was and knowing former director [Mueller’s] reputation, as an impartial public servant, I’m not sure this is a recusable event, just because they knew each other or worked together. 
National Security attorney Mark Zaid told us in an e-mail:
At worst, there could be a perceived appearance of a conflict to some but not an actual one. Additionally, Special Counsel Mueller has a whole team of prosecutors involved who will participate in any decisions and reports.
Kelley further placed doubt on the claim by pointing out that Comey doesn’t have anything at stake in the investigation’s outcome:
[Comey] is merely one of many, many witnesses and frankly a witness whose credibility has been tested publicly for all to evaluate. The important thing here is Jim has been fired and he accepted that. He doesn’t have skin in this game. So where’s the conflict? A conflict speaks to how Bob would do something to benefit Jim.
Perceptions about Mueller and Comey’s shared history seem largely drawn along partisan lines, and the winding sequence of events shows how politically fraught the investigation has been.
Mueller was brought on board when Rosenstein came under pressure from members of Congress after he penned a letter to President Trump suggesting Comey be ousted — a suggestion the president then acted on. Rosenstein’s participation in Comey’s firing raised questions both about his impartiality and about obstruction of justice on the part of the president, since at the time, the FBI was investigating alleged Trump campaign collusion with the Kremlin.
After he was fired, Comey revealed he had written extensive contemporaneous memos documenting meetings he had had with the president that made him uncomfortable. Comey recounted that Trump demanded loyalty, and pressured him to back off investigating former national security adviser Michael Flynn.
Despite the tumult, Mueller enjoys bipartisan respect as a nonpartisan, seasoned, and professional prosecutor. His selection to lead the Russia probe was initially praised by both Republicans and Democrats. But as the investigation has intensified, so too has criticism from the president and his allies. For example, in less than two days (between 15 June and mid-afternoon on 16 June 2017), President Trump has written seven separate, disparaging tweets decrying the investigation as a “witch hunt”:


In an example of how dialogue has evolved surrounding the probe, Trump surrogate Newt Gingrich tweeted praise for Mueller on the day he was appointed, saying:
Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down.
Just one month later, Gingrich had completely changed course with a mistrustful and paranoid statement, writing:
Mueller is setting up a dragnet of obstruction, financial questions and every aspect of Trump’s life and his associates lives. very dangerous

http://www.snopes.com/comey-mueller-besties/

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Aug 7, 2017 15:42:52   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Snope's and Comey's attorney? You are a joke.
moldyoldy wrote:
Is James Comey 'Best Friends' With Robert Mueller, and Is That a Conflict of Interest?
Comey's attorney said that the two men know each other from working together but are hardly "best friends", and experts told us the relationship doesn't meet conflict of interest legal criteria.

CLAIM
Fired FBI Director James Comey and Special Counsel Bob Mueller are "best friends" which presents a conflict of interest in the Russia investigation.
RATING
MOSTLY FALSE
WHAT'S TRUE

Comey and Mueller are former Department of Justice colleagues, and they have a work-related friendship.

WHAT'S FALSE

Comey's attorney says they are not "best friends", and government ethics experts say the relationship doesn't rise to the level of an illegal conflict in relation to the investigation in any case.

ORIGIN
On 12 June 2017, Breitbart.com published a story reporting that former Assistant FBI Director James Kallstrom had told them that fired Federal Bureau of Investigation director James Comey is “best friends” with Robert Mueller, a former Bureau director who has been appointed special counsel to lead an investigation into alleged collusion between Russia and the campaign of President Donald Trump. Further, he reportedly told them, that relationship presents a conflict of interest which is hampering the Russia probe:
Bob Mueller and Jim Comey are the best of friends and have been for over two decades. How do you appoint a special counsel who is a longtime friend? It’s a massive conflict of interest.
Breitbart also cited a piece written by journalist Garrett Graff in Politico magazine, in which Graff describes the pair’s working relationship:
While Mueller technically reported to Comey as deputy attorney general, Comey, two decades his junior, treated Mueller as a close friend and almost mentor. The men had known each other for years as each rose into the small, elite fraternity of prosecutors at the top of the Justice Department
As to Kallstrom’s comment, it should be clarified: Comey didn’t appoint Mueller — he had been fired by the time Mueller was brought on board by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
We spoke to Comey’s attorney, who said the extent of the friendship between the two men has been exaggerated. We also consulted experts about whether a past friendship could present a perception of a current conflict. As the term “perception” implies, the answer to that question is subjective.
David Kelley, Comey’s attorney, said the idea that Comey is “best friends” with Mueller is an overstatement. He said the two have a genial relationship as former colleagues — both men have long legal careers that involve overlapping time spent working within the Department of Justice. Their history is even well-documented by the news media. But Kelley pointed out they are not close personal friends:
Jim and Bob are friends in the sense that co-workers are friends. They don’t really have a personal relationship. Jim has never been to Bob’s house and Bob has never been to Jim’s house. … They’ve had lunch together once, dinner together twice, once with their spouses and once after Jim became FBI director so Bob could give him a run-down on what to look out for. [Bob] is not a mentor. He’s friendly, as colleagues are.
Friendship or no, a pre-existing relationship doesn’t mean that Mueller’s role in the investigation rises to the level of the legal definition of a conflict of interest that would require recusal, said Craig Holman, government affairs lobbyist for the accountability and transparency lobbying organization Public Citizen:
Conflict of interest means there’s some financial or pecuniary benefit that could come one’s way [as a result of an investigation]. For example, If I had worked at a business and business has something at stake, that’s a conflict. But just people being friends and knowing each other, that’s not a conflict.
Hana Callaghan, director of the Government Ethics Program for Santa Clara University’s Markkula Center for Applied Ethics, told us she doesn’t believe the pair’s past ties rise to the level of a recusable event, but added that it’s not a clear-cut issue when it comes to public perception:
[A friendship] could give rise to the appearance that [Mueller] was acting out of loyalty to his friend as opposed to the public’s best interest in finding out what happened. By the same token [Mueller] has a reputation for being a fair and and impartial public servant. So it’s not a black and white question. …
Not knowing what their past relationship was and knowing former director [Mueller’s] reputation, as an impartial public servant, I’m not sure this is a recusable event, just because they knew each other or worked together. 
National Security attorney Mark Zaid told us in an e-mail:
At worst, there could be a perceived appearance of a conflict to some but not an actual one. Additionally, Special Counsel Mueller has a whole team of prosecutors involved who will participate in any decisions and reports.
Kelley further placed doubt on the claim by pointing out that Comey doesn’t have anything at stake in the investigation’s outcome:
[Comey] is merely one of many, many witnesses and frankly a witness whose credibility has been tested publicly for all to evaluate. The important thing here is Jim has been fired and he accepted that. He doesn’t have skin in this game. So where’s the conflict? A conflict speaks to how Bob would do something to benefit Jim.
Perceptions about Mueller and Comey’s shared history seem largely drawn along partisan lines, and the winding sequence of events shows how politically fraught the investigation has been.
Mueller was brought on board when Rosenstein came under pressure from members of Congress after he penned a letter to President Trump suggesting Comey be ousted — a suggestion the president then acted on. Rosenstein’s participation in Comey’s firing raised questions both about his impartiality and about obstruction of justice on the part of the president, since at the time, the FBI was investigating alleged Trump campaign collusion with the Kremlin.
After he was fired, Comey revealed he had written extensive contemporaneous memos documenting meetings he had had with the president that made him uncomfortable. Comey recounted that Trump demanded loyalty, and pressured him to back off investigating former national security adviser Michael Flynn.
Despite the tumult, Mueller enjoys bipartisan respect as a nonpartisan, seasoned, and professional prosecutor. His selection to lead the Russia probe was initially praised by both Republicans and Democrats. But as the investigation has intensified, so too has criticism from the president and his allies. For example, in less than two days (between 15 June and mid-afternoon on 16 June 2017), President Trump has written seven separate, disparaging tweets decrying the investigation as a “witch hunt”:


In an example of how dialogue has evolved surrounding the probe, Trump surrogate Newt Gingrich tweeted praise for Mueller on the day he was appointed, saying:
Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down.
Just one month later, Gingrich had completely changed course with a mistrustful and paranoid statement, writing:
Mueller is setting up a dragnet of obstruction, financial questions and every aspect of Trump’s life and his associates lives. very dangerous

http://www.snopes.com/comey-mueller-besties/
Is James Comey 'Best Friends' With Robert Mueller,... (show quote)

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Aug 7, 2017 20:32:33   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
desparado wrote:
That's why comey gave trump the election

quote=CounterRevolutionary]Both Comey and Mueller are tied to the Clinton Foundation, that is a conflict of interest:
The fact that James Comey's brother, Peter Comey, was the Clinton Foundation's tax accountant, and that Mueller promoted the Russian uranium deal with its contributions to the Clinton Foundation should be setting off bells and whistles:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/26617-mueller-s-role-in-delivering-uranium-to-russians-raises-questions

Wednesday, 02 August 2017
Mueller’s Role in Delivering Uranium to Russians Raises Questions
Written by Steve Byas

"The latest release late last week by Julian Assange at WikiLeaks of a 2009 State Department cable to the Russians raises fresh questions about the objectivity of Special Counsel Robert Mueller (shown), the man named to investigate any possible “collusions” between the presidential campaign of Donald Trump and the Russians.

In 2009, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton directed FBI Director Mueller to deliver a sample of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) to Russia. The uranium had reportedly been stolen..."

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/10/exposed-fbi-director-james-comeys-clinton-foundation-connection/
Exposed: FBI Director James Comey’s Clinton Foundation Connection
"Sep 10, 2016 - Exposed: FBI Director James Comey's Clinton Foundation Connection ... Peter Comey, who works at the law firm that does the Clinton Foundation's taxes. ... But Peter Comey is not featured on the DLA Piper website. ... DLA Piper is the firm that performed the independent audit of the Clinton Foundation

The Grand Jury should indict and convict Mueller, Comey and the Clintons for collusion with the Russian Mafia to overthrow both the United States and the Russian Federation.
That's why comey gave trump the election br br q... (show quote)
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Desparado, Comey gave nothing to Trump. Trump won that election on his own volition. He had the best message and the voters liked it.

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Aug 7, 2017 21:51:09   #
moldyoldy
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Desparado, Comey gave nothing to Trump. Trump won that election on his own volition. He had the best message and the voters liked it.


http://www.impeachdjtnow.com/robert-reich-pens-brutal-list-11-trump-facts-need-show-hard-headed-trump-supporters/

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Aug 7, 2017 22:00:48   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Robert Reich? And you accuse everyone else of listening to biased news media. I take it back.
You're not a joke. You're a bad joke.
moldyoldy wrote:
http://www.impeachdjtnow.com/robert-reich-pens-brutal-list-11-trump-facts-need-show-hard-headed-trump-supporters/

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Aug 8, 2017 09:33:28   #
moldyoldy
 
JFlorio wrote:
Robert Reich? And you accuse everyone else of listening to biased news media. I take it back.
You're not a joke. You're a bad joke.


You may not like who delivers the message, but the well known facts remain. Trump lies on a daily basis and he just compiled a short list of some of his lies.

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Aug 8, 2017 12:47:16   #
200MPHTape
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You may not like who delivers the message, but the well known facts remain. Trump lies on a daily basis and he just compiled a short list of some of his lies.


Just wondering, if it only bothers you that Trump lies as pres. and the last guy gets a pass?

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Aug 8, 2017 15:59:08   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I can answer that. It doesn't bother him at all.
200MPHTape wrote:
Just wondering, if it only bothers you that Trump lies as pres. and the last guy gets a pass?

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Aug 8, 2017 16:36:37   #
moldyoldy
 
200MPHTape wrote:
Just wondering, if it only bothers you that Trump lies as pres. and the last guy gets a pass?


The right cites one lie over and over, which was not a lie when he said it, but the insurance co. changed the rules to thwart him.

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Aug 8, 2017 17:57:00   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I rest my case. Another lie by moldy to cover Obama's ass.
moldyoldy wrote:
The right cites one lie over and over, which was not a lie when he said it, but the insurance co. changed the rules to thwart him.

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