Tomtrout

Government involvement in the abortion question is misplaced. Abortions have been legal since 1973 thus abortions are an ethical question. If you feel that abortions are unethical then why are your tax dollars used to fund abortions. If you are a supporter of abortions, why do you feel that the government should pay for them. Use the financial resources for real women health issues like breast or ovarian cancer. The issue has become blurred so that the voter that are against tax funded abortions are labeled as conservative pro lifers. The real question becomes a tax issue. Roe v Wade gives the legal right to obtain abortions but the judicial decision does not mandate who is to pay. Certainly overturning Roe v Wade would not end abortions but would certainly end federal payment. If the direct funding of Planned Parenthood and the indirect funding by Medicaid were to end it does not deny the right of a woman to have an abortion. For the financial disadvantaged, the supporters of abortion should contribute to a charitable organisation such as Planned Parenthood to help fund these abortions.Two people are responsible for pregnancy why should they be exempt from payment. We can then see if abortions can be funded by the strong supporters or are the supporting abortion on demand when other peoples bear the financial burden.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Abortion is a moral issue, and it is very clear that Christians must obey the Ten Commandments and not have one or perform one. This supersedes the authority of the government, and the government should bow out except for regulating medical facilities. Thou shalt not kill is the operative Commandment. All of the various attempts to justify abortion are simply empty words. Of course, we will not find out the full depth of the penalties for abortion until judgement day, but it will come.

It must be said that personhood begins at conception, and those who consider a fetus to be mere junk are dead wrong. In the many expanding cells of the fetus is all of the information required to form a person, thus making a fetus a protoperson, hence subject to the commands of God and the rules against killing or murder.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I agree that abortion is immoral. However, the Ten Commandments are the Old Testament. Christian teachings come from Christ and the New Testament.

Morgan

I thought, by you actually giving a reply some thought you were different from the typical right mindset... I was wrong. You just took longer to regurgitate the same Ol rhetoric. Good day sir.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

[quote=TexaCan][quote=lindajoy]Hit and my as on that 50% ratio isn't it..??...

Kids having kids can't take care of themself let alone think past desire to logic.. Heck, TexaCan obviously nor can adults that think they won't get pregnant..

Takes two to get there and when the heat settles reality is all that is left later.. Neither want that baby...

Society has no moral value of life as we have made it perfectly acceptable to allow abortion as the alternative... No matter what education is given about pregnancy, or tools put out there (condoms) (the pill) etc in that moment of bliss neither is thinking reality of other than thinking oh I won't get pregnant.. A fight we have waged war on for many years with little adhesion to the principals addressed.. Parents can educate and hope but that's about it..

Orphanage runs somewhere over 100,000 children with an average wait period of 8 yrs last I read... Why??? An expense to "society" perhaps they should streamline the time period and get these waiting parents and children matched sooner than later...Many go outside of the United States to adopt simply because they get the child so much sooner.. A couple of years I believe I read..why can't we streamline this and at least make it less of a financial burden to society and unite families sooner??

Abortion for incest, rape or illness of the mother I support, abortion for reckless disregard I do not.. Yet it is not me faced with this issue..We can argue all we want over it but nothing will truly change.. People succumb to their desire and always will..

Our government even gives money, housing, food assistance, wic etc rewarding young mothers who have already learned the ropes of government dependency when they got pregnant and needed medical care.. Heck those facilities get them set up with transferring their burden to the rest of us to pay for..Why? Is it a government that believes we should as citizens care for the elderly and children of our nation or is it to mold that person into free everything so they will always side with government??

BTW to interject religion or government into this topic is without relevance!! It is a social, moral issue not a religious or government issue.. Made such in government by their meddling it is a choice of life that is a personal private issue and all we can hope for is responsibility of the choice.. So far that isn't working..whether private or government intervention involved..
Religion bares thought in direction of choice but it isn't because we are Cristian, Catholic, Babtist we get pregnant or do not.. Religion goes to our moral compass no doubt but in the heat of the moment one doesn't stop and say oh, I'm Christian or catholic or whatever I better not do this...

Good Morning to you as well...🍮[/quote


Our granddaughter-in-law was unable to carry a child so she and our grandson checked in adoption. They were told it may take up to two years for the process. A lady at their church already had had three children and she offered to carry one for them. It took 3 times, she will deliver their twin girls in November!!! They were one of the blessed ones. There are still so many couples wanting and waiting for a child. I wouldn't want a child placed in an unacceptable home, but there is no way, in this day and time that it should take that much time to check out a couple. There has got to be a better way to connect these children with people that want to love and take care of them. As far as abortion is concerned, I can't accept that the solution is to murder the fetus which I consider a baby. There are many problems attached to this situation, and many solutions must be found![/quote]

Congratulations to your daughter!! Twins no less!!! Talk about a double bundle of love... wow...
You have to be ecstatic over it!! November babies, what a Thanksgiving joy it will be and right in time for Christmas too...👍👍❤️❤️

I do not believe in abortion as a means of birth control at all and yet I do support the right of choice.. I also believe the father of that baby should have a say so too.. Slim as it may be some may just want that baby and the mother if she did not could give it to the father when born...

I'm all for alternatives like you describe and adoption..

Every child born is a message from God he is not yet discouraged with mankind...A beautiful constant affirmation in that precious sweet soul that has come to gift us with much love..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

No sorry necessary!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Atheist have an insatiable desire to control because all they have is themself.. When they fail or falter it is always someone else to blame for it...

Oh I know they profess to be totally in control of their belief but I don't buy it.. They are searching for honesty that stands at their feet already if they had true vision..Do you think they have ever read Chesterton, or MacDonald?? Or CS Lewis perhaps Tolkien??

Philosophy means “love of truth.” It is meant to lead one to truth but that can only happen when one is open to all reasoning not just the one sided opinion ..

Regardless, it is not our place or my place to say they are wrong, I just don't have much faith in their word...Their word is empty of objectivity and said without vision.. Sad, really, which goes back to your summation~~pity or kick to the curb???

c'est la vie ~~~~

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Could we claim you are stagnate in your " moral code" then, as well?? BTW you just blew your morals theory by attacking another simply because they offered an opinion as they see it and not as you believe ...I guess that's what forums do, eh??

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

The Bible is a whole entity, OT+NT, and Jesus did not change the Commandments, but rather amplified them and made them more accessible. So, Christians still have to obey the Ten Commandments, especially the "do not kill" command. A Christian cannot ignore the OT at all, it is essential for the message of the Creation, among other important messages. If you accept the Trinity, you must accept God as three entities: God/Jesus His Son/ and the Holy Spirit. To accept God you must accept His Creation event and his Trinitarian being, that is, the central message of the OT, and the fact of the existence of God and the books of the OT. These Scriptures are the written revelations of God or inspired writings from the time of Moses to that of John and make up the Christian Bible.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Abortion is no ones business but the people involved in it, mother, father and Dr yet everyone has an opinion and no one wants to have to pay for that abortion.. The flip side to that is mother and child become the responsibility of society to provide for them and then bitch about that..

Where is the solution?? Better education?? Those kids having babies aren't really interested in school(s) that educate..

Providing contraception, that is done, yet obviously not used..

Rewarding them by giving them housing, food, and cash to live on ?? Why??
They took the risk when the mother and father decided protection wasn't needed.. They should have to pay their own way.. Yet that doesn't happen either..

No child left behind and proper nutrients a must society should care enough about that newborn baby to want to help them.. Problem there is many " charity organizations" are all about their salaries and not getting money to those it was donated for..

Likewise you bring up the constant debate of when a fetus is a child.. Roe vs Wade came abou because women sought abortion in very risky conditions and needed law that allowed them in a safe place with proper medical care in place..

Later came the argument of determining when a fetus is life sustaining to remove that allegation of legal murder...The Supreme Court ruled it to be 24 weeks at that time..
Were they correct no one knows.. After 24 weeks that fetus has viability of life outside the womb and late term abortions although done and promoted by bo and Hillary is murder in my eyes..!!!

Religion is not about abortion, it is the gateway to our moral standards as assigned by that beautiful spirit or entity or whatever you want to call He above.. Judgement comes from God, not us.. That is the extent of religion when one is considering abortion.. They will be judged then...

I support the right of choice, not the act... Certain conditions are with merit in the contemplations of abortion, incest, rape, illness to either... And adoption should always be considered first.. Problem there is most dont want that innocent life and don't want to carry that baby to term or have the finances to pay for Dr visits and the delivery.. Even tho there are people that would cover those charges if wanting to adopt the baby.. Problem there is the pregnant girl knows nothing of that side and the potential parent knows nothing of her..Perhaps another alternative plan if a place was in operation that tied the two to each other when the girl is pregnant???? I don't know it's got its confusing aspects that need working out but certainly is another consideration far better than abortion.... At least I think it has merit...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

My spirituality comes from Gods word, not that as defined by the different denominations.. Those are man made interpretations of what they believe or want us to believe, thus why there is so much confusion about God or our Lord or Savior or energy etc..

In its truest form there is nothing confusing about God other than that which has been construed by the different church..

My Faith in He above comes from my heart, soul and spirit to He above and not what man would have me believe..

Mr Bombastic

Faith in God is based on evidence. Prophecy, for one. Two thirds of the Bible is prophesy. Every one of them has been fulfilled to the letter. If that's not proof of God, I don't know what is.

Mr Bombastic

That does not invalidate the ten commandments. They were not laws, such as the Jewish dietary laws. They were COMMANDMENTS. Do you see the difference?

Mr Bombastic

Christianity boils down to just two things. Love the Lord with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. Sadly, few can measure up to those two simple commandments. I thank God that He is willing to forgive us when we fail.

Morgan

Yes and these preachers what is there so called back ground or education in their field?