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Jul 23, 2017 19:21:48   #
Dr.Dross
 
Funny.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:24:21   #
Dr.Dross
 
jimahrens wrote:
Before you write an article I suggest you research history to understand why certain events stand out . Speaking of my lifetime have never witnessed Christians chopping off heads throwing gays from cliffs stoning woman who has been raped. Christians are not perfect. But like any faith, the leaders tend to become false profits for pure gain. Sheep will follow.


Before you respond to a thread, read it so you do not make a total ass of yourself. My thread had nothing whatsoever to do with Christians. Your response is idiotic.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:26:32   #
Dr.Dross
 
BigMike wrote:
Your post is pointless, wrong, incomplete, ignorant, uneducated, myopic and bigoted. Did I miss anything? Engage in conversation and forget the sophistry. Forget the prejudice. Forget the tunnel vision.


Did you miss anything? Yes, the reasons why my post is "pointless, wrong, incomplete, ignorant, uneducated, myopic and bigoted." Please illuminate me.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:29:34   #
Dr.Dross
 
Pennylynn wrote:
If that is true, then why do we not execute the Palestinians who car bomb, use butchers knives, or stones to kill us? If that were true then why do we treat the sick Palestinians? Why do we build schools for them? Why do we feed them? Why do we provide them with water? Electricity? Build homes for them? And this is done for the ones who live outside of Israel in your own state. As for the ones inside Israel, Why do we give them a vote in the Knesset? Why do we not just expel them? Why do we deliver their babies and provide free prenatal care? Why do we provide infertility treatment, for free, to Palestinians? Why do we care for, feed, cloth, and maintain the disabled Palestinians or Arabs living inside of Israel? Why do we guard and protect their Mosque? Why do we allow them to open and run their own business? Here is a challenge for you, name one individual Palestinian that received the death penalty and was executed in Israel.

Your remark is not logical. If we have such a fear of your population, then it would seem more productive to allow death to claim the Palestinians rather than preserving your lives.

In contrast, Palestine has somewhere near 100 individuals who were tried and received the death penalty. In the last few years, Palestine has executed 5... of which two by firing squad and three by hanging (of course these are the ones reported through Palestinian Center for Human Rights).... https://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=Palestinian+Authority#f4-2 In 2010 Palestine added one more thing to the list of deserving the death penalty, selling land to a Jew. Yes, it is a capitol offense to sell land to a Jew... not just Israelis but to anyone that is a Jew in any nation.

You are now probably red faced and angry with my reply, but I have still one more question for you to answer.... I gave you a list of what Israel provides to Palestine.... what does Palestine provide Israel? Please give me your list ...
If that is true, then why do we not execute the Pa... (show quote)


The topic is not about today; it is about Mosaic Law a few millennia earlier. Pay attention.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:41:17   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
How do you see what is written in Scripture as just punishment for disobeying the Ten Commandments as heretical?
Punishment
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Severe. Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping. (Numbers 31:15-18)
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image. Severe. Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (See above.)
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; High Capital punishment (Leviticus 24:16, Deuteronomy 18:20, Mark 3:28-29)
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. High Capital punishment (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2 Numbers 15:32)
5. Honour thy father and thy mother: High Capital punishment (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9)
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. High Capital punishment (Leviticus 20:10)
6. Thou shalt not kill. Elevated Capital punishment in some cases (For killing Cain, yes, for killing Abel, no: Genesis 4:15).
8. Thou shalt not steal. Guarded Excessive fines or slavery: (Exodus 22:1-3). Only in rare cases such as stealing slaves, capital punishment (Exodus 21:16). Thieves caught in the night are to be executed (Exodus 22:1-3)
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Low Despisement and scorn (Proverbs 12:8)
10. Thou shalt not covet . . . Low Despisement and scorn (Romans 7:7-8)
How do you see what is written in Scripture as jus... (show quote)


I understand the spirit in which you offer these scriptures. I hope you understand the Spirit in which I offer these:

Quote:
The Greatest Commandment Matthew 22: 34-40

34) Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35) One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36) “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37)) Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38) This is the first and greatest commandment. 39) And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40) All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
The Greatest Commandment Matthew 22: 34-40 br br ... (show quote)


Keep in mind...the people who have repeatedly tested Jesus in the chapter (should you read back a few verses) were the religious hypocrites...the Pharisees, and tested means they had been trying to catch him with words...sorta like you seem to be doing. I know why the Bible has what it has in it...and a lot of it ain't good. If you don't understand it's 'cause you won't go find out for yourself. Just sayin'.


There's a place at which the two come together and begin make sense if you study long enough. It's like math to me.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:42:42   #
Dr.Dross
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Dr.Dross, Nobody is ever forced into obeying Jewish Law, not even Jews. Most orthodox Jews try to live according to Jewish law, but the Reform and Conservative Jews interpret Jewish law differently from the orthodox. There has been no enforcement on Jewish law for at least twenty three or four hundred years ago. There has never been any non-Jew forced to obey the Jewish laws. All in all, I'd feel very, very sure that not a single Jew in todays world intends to force Jewish law on anybody.
I wouldn't call the Ten Commandments irrelevant for Christians. I believe that Jesus once said that he didn't want to destroy the law, but too fulfill it.Jews are the least likely of the three Abrahamic religions to force their laws on anybody. Jews do not seek converts, so why would they demand that the law be forced on anybody.
Dr.Dross, Nobody is ever forced into obeying Jewis... (show quote)


Good points. And the Jews were very reluctant to carry out capital punishment throughout their history, even in ancient times. Two witnesses were required of a capital offense and even then it was not a sure thing. The Third Century inclusion into Scripture about the stoning of a adulteress, a great story with the oft quoted "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her," (Jn8:7) misjudges the Jews at that time.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:44:24   #
Dr.Dross
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Dr.Dross, Nobody is ever forced into obeying Jewish Law, not even Jews. Most orthodox Jews try to live according to Jewish law, but the Reform and Conservative Jews interpret Jewish law differently from the orthodox." - saltwind (the admitted Zionist)

First off; people have to know the difference between Judaism, and Zionism.
Zionists hide behind the cloak of being Hebrews/"Jews".
AND they are the attackers of Christians and Christianity.
That is what is going on here in America. ADL/ACLU/AIPAC/etc.
That political and economic force puts Israel's interests above America's.
They are the ones behind a one world government. They intend to run it.
"Dr.Dross, Nobody is ever forced into obeying... (show quote)


A little more information and research into that idea is needed.

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Jul 23, 2017 19:59:25   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
The topic is not about today; it is about Mosaic Law a few millennia earlier. Pay attention.


I have a Somali friend who recently married (arranged) some gal in Saudi Arabia. I asked him by FB if he planned on having 12 kids...that's how many his dad had...and he replied, "No! Two is enough! I'm completely Westernized!"

Same thing with the Jews now. They're westernized, which is why they wouldn't blow up the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque in '67 when they took the Temple Mount, even though there was great pressure to do so from the religious bunch and why they'll trade land for peace in the very near future. Mosaic Law has little to do with Jewish behavior today.

Mosaic Law had an interesting side-effect. It created an identity for the Jewish people so powerful and distinct it survived multiple depopulations, massacres and dispersions...the last one nearly 2000 years...and here they still are. Maybe that's part of the unfolding of history that might make other things make sense for someone whose cup is not already full.

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Jul 23, 2017 21:20:27   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Pennylynn, I believe that the comment was about Halacha. For sure he doesn't know what he's talking about. Other posters like Eagleye also make insulting remarks about the Talmud, without knowing anything about it. I personally told him that I never studied Talmud, but I'm sorry I didn't. He called me a liar. It's not about Jewish law, or the religion itself, but it is a major contributor in this anti- Jewish idiocy. It's about being anti- Jewish anything, and everything and not even knowing why!
Pennylynn wrote:
With respect, you know nothing about Jewish Law. I encourage you to put away whatever you are drinking and do some research before you continue to talk or write about things you know nothing about. The last criminal to be executed in Israel was 1962, when Holocaust architect Adolf Eichmann was hanged for his participation in the genocide under Hitler. And for your information, capital punishment for murder was outlawed in 1954. Although technically war criminals can still be put to death it requires the agreement of 24 judges, at least two eye witnesses and the individual has to be warned of the consequence of their action before they commit it in addition the criminal must acknowledge that they understand the warning. Even in biblical times the death was rarely used to deal with people who broke the law, and it was only applicable to Hebrews not to any other nationality or religion. Modern history, there has been two executions... one in 1948 an Army officer executed for being a traitor and the other was Eichmann. No Arab or Muslim has been executed in Israel..... although 2 were charged and found guilty of war crimes; their executions were commuted. Even John Demjanjuk's sentence was commuted. If you do not know who he was.... he was given the title of "Ivan the Terrible", a Nazi guard who took great pleasure in torturing, dismembering, and inflicting as much pain as possible.

The last execution under Sharia Law was most likely within the last 10 minutes, however not all of them are reported... so the last reported execution (this time by stoning) was May 2017, and the crime was having sex without the benefit of marriage. Honor killings, as you muslims call it, are not extrapolated out in US Law Enforcement databases.... they are simply treated as homicides. But, when a "father" pulls his gun and pumps 11 bullets into his daughters because they assimilated and became too Americanized (Dec 2016, Irvine TX)... or when a "father" says an accidental shooting took place with his adult daughter... while she was asleep and that "accident" was pumping 3 bullets into her head....and her crime... she associated with non-muslim boys (Sep 2016, Rocky River, Ohio).

So...tell me again how cruel and harsh our Jewish Laws are compared to your Sharia Law.

You are also mixing the "Commandments" with the Laws of Moses. If you do not know the difference, I suggest you start asking questions before you start spouting off. Perhaps you need to take your own advice and STFU!!
With respect, you know nothing about Jewish Law. ... (show quote)

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Jul 23, 2017 21:28:42   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
They call this oppression "religious freedom." But wait. Let us enact Jewish Law, it is worse than anything the Koran could think of. Most breaking of the Commandments demands death. If Christians want to be true to Mosaic Law, or just the 10 Commandments, they are required to kill offenders. They cannot cherry-pick and avoid the death-sentence consequence required of some commandments. Or STFU. Stop pushing the Ten Commandments. They are irrelevant for Christians.


Brain dead...again. I can tell you went to a NON educational school....where all you did was to learn how to be an ignoramus maximus!

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Jul 23, 2017 21:33:27   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Before you respond to a thread, read it so you do not make a total ass of yourself. My thread had nothing whatsoever to do with Christians. Your response is idiotic.


Mental retard...."Christians have their own type of Sharia Law"...YOUR THREAD TOPIC....and then you state, "My thread has nothing to do with Christians"......

You are enough of a liar and a goat rapist punk monkey...what a sick and puss filled porch monkey. And, you come on this website using more than one name...attempting to bolster your mentally defective mind......you are a total scum bag. You made yourself a TOTAL ASS! Nothing new about THAT!

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Jul 23, 2017 22:02:19   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
robmull wrote:
Wouldn't THAT be "The Way," bylm1. I suppose Karl Marx had a better message for the more "earthly" folks, later picked-up-on by "lefty's" "hero" {Chris Matthews/"MSLSD"}, the infamous "red-(D)iaper baby," Saul Alinsky (D), right - sorry, "left" here in America. Carefully and painstakingly writing and peddling his blueprint for "overthrowing the enemy, America," {"lefty's earthly bible"}, "Rules for Radicals," to low-information, "lefty" indoctrinated believers. Interesting. You don't suppose that's why "WE" are seeing riots, lootings, vandalizations, burning, removing American history in the dark-of-night, creating "fake" news, changing patriotic American phraseology, "PIG" killing, murder-inciting protests and fruitless, obnoxious (D)emonstrations, do you? Let "US" pray. Hummmmmmmmmm.
Wouldn't THAT be "The Way," bylm1. I su... (show quote)


You hit a high note that could be a lengthy discussion in it's own right, "removing history", which in my humble opinion the backbone of loyalty and love of country. The snow flake generation has no love of America, no understanding of how America's power and might had saved hundreds of millions of lives, given independence to nations, held back evil rulers from taking over weaker nations for world dominance. Instead they protest anything that grows America's strength, are taught America abused it's power and needs to align itself with weaker nations, they are taught any wealth is evil, never being taught that capitalism is what made America the greatest nation in the world's history, instead they seek to destroy the very thing that made America great, and the greatest theft if American history is how our founders placed their deep faith in the God of Issac, Jacob, and Abraham. That they knew and understood their inspiration came from God, their wisdom in our founding documents based on God. Instead these truths have been replaced with evolution, humanism.
By definition those whom erased our history and those whom today support these changes are domestic terrorist, traitors and should be dealt with accordingly.

God Bless America,
God Bless Trump,
God Bless Israel

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Jul 23, 2017 22:08:16   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
PeterS wrote:
So why is it you disobey your own god?



For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God!
No man in history has been able to keep God's commandments.

But, how do you think I disobeyed my God?

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Jul 23, 2017 22:24:28   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
[quote=payne1000]
Pennylynn wrote:
If that is true, then why do we not execute the Palestinians who car bomb, use butchers knives, or stones to kill us? It appears you don't read anything except Zionist propaganda. Many Palestinians are executed each year by Israel --without a trial.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/amnesty-womans-west-bank-shooting-was-execution/
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.716623
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.697788
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/palestinian-executed-checkpoint/
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=766789
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/palestinian-woman-shot-dead-checkpoint
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/5/9/palestinian-teenage-girl-executed-in-cold-blood-by-israel
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=777229
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/israel-kills-palestinian-attacker-trump-trip-170523063142942.html


If that were true then why do we treat the sick Palestinians? Most Palestinians live in the largest outdoor prison in the world which is Gaza. Israelis don't go into Gaza. How can Israelis treat the sick in Gaza if they stay out of Gaza? Why do we build schools for them? Israel does not build schools for Palestinians. Israel bombs Palestinian schools. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/education-plus-development/2014/08/04/the-destruction-of-gazas-schools-and-the-future-of-palestinian-children/ Why do we feed them? Israel doesn't feed Palestinians. Israel allows the Palestinians in Gaza just enough food to avoid starvation. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-israeli-campaign-to-starve-palestinians-into-submission-is-a-crime-2011-6 Why do we provide them with water? That doesn't appear to be true either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_the_Palestinian_territories Electricity? Another lie. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/gaza-power-plant-destroyed-israeli-airstrike-100-palestinians-dead Build homes for them? A blatant lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demolition_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict And this is done for the ones who live outside of Israel in your own state. My state is Texas. Do Israelis build homes for Texans? I don't think so. As for the ones inside Israel, Why do we give them a vote in the Knesset? Only one Palestinian out of seven gets to vote in Israel. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150311-10-facts-about-israels-elections-and-the-palestinian-vote/ Why do we not just expel them? The world is watching. Why do we deliver their babies and provide free prenatal care? Why do we provide infertility treatment, for free, to Palestinians? Considering Israel's paranoia about Palestinian population increases, if Israel offered fertility treatment to Palestinians, it's purpose would be to achieve opposite results. Why do we care for, feed, cloth, and maintain the disabled Palestinians or Arabs living inside of Israel? Why do we guard and protect their Mosque? Why do we allow them to open and run their own business? I'm sure none of this happens in reality. Here is a challenge for you, name one individual Palestinian that received the death penalty and was executed in Israel. Palestinians are executed without trial. Their death penalties are executed pretrial (see the first list of links,).

Your remark is not logical. If we have such a fear of your population, then it would seem more productive to allow death to claim the Palestinians rather than preserving your lives.

In contrast, Palestine has somewhere near 100 individuals who were tried and received the death penalty. In the last few years, Palestine has executed 5... of which two by firing squad and three by hanging (of course these are the ones reported through Palestinian Center for Human Rights).... https://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=Palestinian+Authority#f4-2 In 2010 Palestine added one more thing to the list of deserving the death penalty, selling land to a Jew. Yes, it is a capitol offense to sell land to a Jew... not just Israelis but to anyone that is a Jew in any nation.

You are now probably red faced and angry with my reply, but I have still one more question for you to answer.... I gave you a list of what Israel provides to Palestine.... what does Palestine provide Israel? Please give me your list ... There is no Palestine. The Zionists have stolen all of what once was Palestine. Palestine is now a country of ghettos, prisons and settlements divided by Berlin-like walls.

The only website you post to support your lies and misinformation is six years old and reveals it gets its lies from Nutzworld website. http://nutzworld.com/post/
The title of the site might indicate the accuracy of information one finds there.
If that is true, then why do we not execute the Pa... (show quote)



Your world history is built on revionist! !!!

EVEN THE KORAN SAYS ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWISH!!!

Sheikh Ahmed Aladoan of Amman, a member of Jordan’s well-known Adwan tribe, posted to Facebook this week that there is no such place as “Palestine,” and provided references from the Koran to back up his assertion.

One of the Koranic verses provided states that Allah gave the Holy Land to the sons of Israel until the Day of Judgment (Surah Al-Ma’ida, verse 21), and the other (Surah Al-Shara’a, verse 59) says that the land was bequeathed to the Jews.

The sheikh turned to those who “distort the words of the Koran,” whom he labeled as liars, and questioned where they had even come up with the name “Palestine.” He insisted their claims to the Land of Israel were forfeit because “Allah is the protector of the Children of Israel.”

And if that wasn’t enough, the sheikh went on to turn the tables on the anti-Israel propaganda machine by accusing the Palestinians of killing children, the elderly and women, of using human shields, and of having not an ounce of mercy for even their own children.

The sheikh’s words caused a storm in the Arab media, and were picked up by the Israeli Embassy in Amman.

The Arabic daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi further explained the sheikh’s position, noting that he supports the notion that Jordan is Palestine, and insists that Arabs living both in Jordan and the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories would almost all love to be Israeli citizens.

The Adwan tribe issued a statement distancing itself from Sheikh Aladoan’s remarks. But the sheikh was not intimidated, and insisted he would continue to make his voice heard on these matters.

Last year, Sheikh Aladoan visited Israel and spent time with the chief rabbi of Tsfat (Safed), Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu. The sheikh informed Rabbi Eliyahu and his students that in the Koran, “there is no name ‘Palestine’ for this land, and therefore, the Arabs should not be fighting the Jews over control of this land.”

Watch the following video of their encounter. Most of the video is in Hebrew, but around the 2:00 mark, Sheikh Aladoan’s assistant translates his words in English.

In AD135, subsequent to the Roman victory over the children of Israel, which resulted in the "Diaspora", the Land was renamed "Syria Palestina" and Jerusalem renamed 
"Aelia Capitolina."

This was in order to remove any Jewish connection to the Land.

"Syria Palestina" eventually became anglicised into "Palestine". [In much the same way that Judea & Samaria has today been renamed the "West Bank"]

After 135AD, the region that became known as "Palestine" was then occupied by numerous empires including the Romans (to 330AD) and also;

Byzantines (330-638AD), 
Arabs (Fatimids & Abbasids), and Turks (Seljuks) (638-1099AD), 
Crusaders (1099-1291AD), 
Mamluks (1291-1516AD), Ottomans (1516-1917AD), 
British (1917-1948AD).

Israel was reborn in 1948 and exists to the present day.

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Jul 23, 2017 22:25:31   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"Dr.Dross, Nobody is ever forced into obeying Jewish Law, not even Jews. Most orthodox Jews try to live according to Jewish law, but the Reform and Conservative Jews interpret Jewish law differently from the orthodox." - saltwind (the admitted Zionist)

First off; people have to know the difference between Judaism, and Zionism.
Zionists hide behind the cloak of being Hebrews/"Jews".
AND they are the attackers of Christians and Christianity.
That is what is going on here in America. ADL/ACLU/AIPAC/etc.
That political and economic force puts Israel's interests above America's.
They are the ones behind a one world government. They intend to run it.
"Dr.Dross, Nobody is ever forced into obeying... (show quote)



Give proof otherwise,

In AD135, subsequent to the Roman victory over the children of Israel, which resulted in the "Diaspora", the Land was renamed "Syria Palestina" and Jerusalem renamed 
"Aelia Capitolina."

This was in order to remove any Jewish connection to the Land.

"Syria Palestina" eventually became anglicised into "Palestine". [In much the same way that Judea & Samaria has today been renamed the "West Bank"]

After 135AD, the region that became known as "Palestine" was then occupied by numerous empires including the Romans (to 330AD) and also;

Byzantines (330-638AD), 
Arabs (Fatimids & Abbasids), and Turks (Seljuks) (638-1099AD), 
Crusaders (1099-1291AD), 
Mamluks (1291-1516AD), Ottomans (1516-1917AD), 
British (1917-1948AD).

Israel was reborn in 1948 and exists to the present day.

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