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Jul 6, 2017 00:13:21   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
vettelover wrote:
Just curious, if the ACA was working so awesome, why is does California feel the need to flip O-care to a "Single Payer" system at a cost just shy of $400 billion to taxpayers per year? Lol, you leftist are really trying hard to bring the whole system down aren't you! Is it that old Cloward/Piven strategy of yours? Please educate me how the state of California will pay for this?? Lucky for you guys someone within your party had an ‘Oh Shit’ moment and stepped back from the ledge. Now your own party officials are receiving death threats for not GIVING them free everything. Brahahahahaha. Karma!

You seem intelligent, inform me why you think that the state of California, Illinois, and Oregon etc. etc. can continue to spend OVER AND BEYOND its tax receipts indefinitely? Do you understand debits and credits, assets and liabilities and cause and effect?? Leftist economic politics and union corruption promises are going to bring down the whole state of Illinois in a matter of months! The state of Lincoln will be looking at "Junk Bond" status in less than 14 days. That is ALL on the Democrat party! Don't try to throw they stupid GOP governor under the bus on this, Illinois has been screwed long before his stupid ass showed up. All the other states will follow suit due to state, federal and municipal corruption. The Federal government itself is a dead man walking if you want to look at the entire picture. You can only print fake money backed by nothing and run trillion dollar deficits for so long before the entire musical chair game comes crashing down on you!
The Democrat and Republican parties have equally shared the power within the executive and legislative branches over the last 100 years and we have NOTHING to show for it. Sitting there and pointing your finger at just one party is naïve. You need to accept the fact that this country is so divided, so shredded in debt that there is no recovering from all this
Just curious, if the ACA was working so awesome, w... (show quote)


Well said, vettelover!!!!

When Moody and S&P downgraded Illinois bonds the writing is done, just a matter of dotting the i and crossing the TS....

They haven't put forth a budget in what three or four years now??? They can't because the money isn't there not without borrowing and who is going to loan them anymore money???

They have taxed the hell out of homeowners and ran corporations away years ago because of the taxes..

Springfield rampet with straight out damn criminals who have been stealing the state blind!! Rahm the worst for Chicago and Lord knows on the con worse than Ex-Gov. Rod Blagojevich who lost his appeal as judges quickly upheld the 14-year prison term... He isn't the only one!!!
His attempts to sell the U.S. Senate seat just shows what they are up to...

Checked the bond status of Cali lately?? Since we last discussed it?? All that supposed flourishing it is having yet their bonds remains on shaky ground due to nearly $400 billion in unfunded liabilities and debt from public pensions, retiree health care and bonds, financial analysts etc.. Sounds just like Chicago all over really again...

I hope none of it materializes and I do know Chicagos 25 billion dollar deficit has been considered for bankruptcy for years now... Daley wouldn't agree, Rahm could care less!!

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Jul 6, 2017 00:23:22   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 


Exactly!!! Thank You...

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Jul 6, 2017 01:05:58   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
TexaCan wrote:
I think you have a great idea! You and Obama together would absolutely be a sell-out as the newest comedy ventriloquist act! Who do you think would be the best dummy? I think it would be a toss-up, maybe y'all could take turns being the dummy/ventriloquist. I have no doubt that President Trump and family would purchase front row seats!😂😂😂😂😂


Good evening to you !!! Always such a pleasure reading your posts, TexaCan!!!

I do hope you are well.. Have missed your striking posts and am glad to see you..

Have you been traveling since we last spoke???🌹🌺

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Jul 6, 2017 01:46:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
straightUp wrote:
The Cato Institute estimated the various tax breaks for corporations amounted to $100 billion out of the 2012 budget.
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA703.pdf
Still laughing?



Subsides to business is not just tax breaks.. It can be cash to everything in between ...


Rising federal spending and huge deficits are pushing the nation toward a financial and economic crisis. Policymakers should find and eliminate wasteful, damaging, and unneeded programs in the federal budget. One good way to save money would be to cut subsidies to businesses. Corporate welfare in the federal budget costs taxpayers almost $100 billion a year.

Policymakers claim that business subsidies are needed to fix alleged market failures or to help American companies better compete in the global economy. However, corporate welfare often subsidizes failing and mismanaged businesses and induces firms to spend more time on lobbying rather than on making better products. Instead of correcting market failures, federal subsidies misallocate resources and introduce government failures into the marketplace.

While corporate welfare may be popular with policymakers who want to aid home-state businesses, it undermines the broader economy and transfers wealth from average taxpaying households to favored firms. Corporate welfare also creates strong ties between politicians and business leaders, and these ties are often the source of corruption scandals in Washington. Americans are sick and tired of “crony capitalism,” and the way to solve the problem is to eliminate business subsidy programs.

Corporate welfare doesn’t aid economic growth and it is an affront to America’s constitutional principles of limited government and equality under the law. Policymakers should therefore scour the budget for business subsidies to eliminate. Budget experts and policymakers may differ on exactly which programs represent unjustified corporate welfare, but this study provides a menu of about $100 billion in programs to terminate....

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Jul 6, 2017 05:41:38   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
Trumpcare is all about taking health care from the indigent, the working poor, the disabled, children and the elderly; and giving tax credits, aka millions, to people who are so rich they will barely notice. Even Warren Buffet has come oit against it.

Now Trump has come out and said just repeal Obamacare, fuck replacing it...where does that leave us now?


Rich people pay for there health care and most of your's , quit the crying and man up pussy !!

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Jul 6, 2017 11:02:20   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Morgan wrote:
You are the misinformed, as seems to be your entire party.

A social Program does change a persons party affiliation from democrat, republican to a socialists, especially if they don't even use it. Democrats and liberals believe in democracy, the republic and capitalism, but they do not believe in un-reined out of control oligopolies and plutocracies.

Socialism is a form of government, not a program, these are facts , look it up and educate yourself, and you my friend are a true horses ass. I'll do it for you since your to lazy.

Social

a. 1. Of or pertaining to society; relating to men living in society, or to the public as an aggregate body; as, social interest or concerns; social pleasure; social benefits; social happiness; social duties.
2. Ready or disposed to mix in friendly converse; companionable; sociable; as, a social person.
3. Consisting in union or mutual intercourse.
Best with thyself accompanied, seek'st not
Social communication.
- Milton.

4. (Bot.) Naturally growing in groups or masses; - said of many individual plants of the same species.
5. (Zool.) Living in communities consisting of males, females, and neuters, as do ants and most bees.
Social science
the science of all that relates to the social condition, the relations and institutions which are involved in man's existence and his well-being as a member of an organized community; sociology. It concerns itself with questions of the public health, education, labor, punishment of crime, reformation of criminals, and the like.

Social whale
(Zool.) the blackfish.

The social evil
prostitution.


WordNet Dictionary

Noun 1. social - a party of people assembled to promote sociability and communal activity
Synonyms: mixer, sociable

Adj. 1. social - relating to human society and its members; "social institutions"; "societal evolution"; "societal forces"; "social legislation"
Synonyms: societal

2. social - living together or enjoying life in communities or organized groups; "human beings are social animals"; "spent a relaxed social evening"; "immature social behavior"
Antonyms:
unsocial - not seeking or given to association; being or living without companions; "the unsocial disposition to neglect one's neighbors"

3. social - relating to or belonging to or characteristic of high society; "made fun of her being so social and high-toned"; "a social gossip colum"; "the society page"
4. social - composed of sociable people or formed for the purpose of sociability; "a purely social club"; "the church has a large social hall"; "a social director"
5. social - (of birds and animals) tending to move or live together in groups or colonies of the same kind; "ants are social insects"; "the herding instinct in sheep or cattle"; "swarming behavior in bees"
Synonyms: herding, swarming

6. social - marked by friendly companionship with others; "a social cup of coffee"

Now socialism

So´cial`ism

n. 1. A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme. See Communism, Fourierism, Saint-Simonianism, forms of socialism.
[Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy.
- Encyc. Brit.

We certainly want a true history of socialism, meaning by that a history of every systematic attempt to provide a new social existence for the mass of the workers.
- F. Harrison.

Socialism of the chair
a term applied about 1872, at first in ridicule, to a group of German political economists who advocated state aid for the betterment of the working classes.


WordNet Dictionary

Noun 1. socialism - a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
2. socialism - an economic system based on state ownership of capital
Synonyms: socialist economy

Antonyms:
capitalism, capitalist economy - an economic system based on private ownership of capital

You still won't get it and you'll still eating the propaganda that divides us, and looking at democrats and liberals under the light of a lie perpetuated by the people who OWN the right, because they are the ones who want to break us down.

Just like the right always bitching about the left insults, when in my personal experience as in right now it is always the right to throw the first insult, it's what the do and their obvious lack of argument and manners.

and no they are all social programs, to help them, created from our governing process, not our socialistic government.
You are the misinformed, as seems to be your entir... (show quote)







Here’s an excellent article by Alex Newman in which the Communist Party admits taking over the Democratic Party:

Communist Party USA boss John Bachtell boasted in a recent column that his Marxist-Leninist organization, a tentacle of the Soviet regime in America for decades, “utilizes” the increasingly radical Democratic Party to advance its totalitarian objectives in the United States. Writing in the Communist Party propaganda mouthpiece People’s World, Bachtell suggested that, eventually, a “radical third party” would become a viable option to advance communism in America. However, for now, he argued, fending off what he calls the “ultra-right” — essentially anyone to the right of Obama, whom American communists openly backed in both elections — requires the CPUSA to continue utilizing the Democrat Party as a “vehicle.”

In his column, Bachtell, who was selected last year to serve as the national chair of the Communist Party USA, offers a wide array of arguments for why communists must continue to work through the Democrat Party. For instance, at least in the collectivist communist mind, the Democratic Party is “home” to “African Americans, Latinos, other communities of color, women, most union members, young people,” as well as various “social and democratic movements.” In reality, of course, there are plenty of blacks, Hispanics, women, and young people who boldly reject statism and the extremist Democrats promoting it.

Still, as many Democrats do, Bachtell lumps unique individuals into “constituencies” based on arbitrary characteristics such as melanin content, and declares that the Democratic Party is their “home.” He contrasts that with the GOP and “extreme right-wing elements” such as pro-lifers, climate realists, “right-wing” Christians, the Tea Party, social conservatives, and others, broadly categorized as “ultra-right.” By working with and through the Democrat Party, Bachtell purports to be building the “broadest anti-ultra right alliance possible,” even openly welcoming a “section” of what he describes as “monopoly” capital on Wall Street into the Communist Party war on liberty.

“This necessarily means working with the Democratic Party,” Bachtell explained, adding that some on the Left “underestimate the danger” from the Right and “overestimate” the willingness of “key class and social forces” to leave the Democratic Party right now. “Second, our objective is not to build the Democratic Party. At this stage we are about building the broad people’s movement led by labor that utilizes the vehicle of the Democratic Party to advance its agenda. We are about building the movements around the issues roiling wide sections of people that can help shape election contours and debates.”

Finally, the Communist Party USA participates in what Bachtell referred to as “coalition campaigns” that challenge the “Wall Street wing” of the Democrat Party and “galvanize forces around a progressive agenda, mainly in Democratic primary elections.” Among other examples

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Jul 6, 2017 11:28:23   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Morgan wrote:
No shit Sherlock that's exactly what I was said, the insurers pay for it, which is why everyone should carry insurance, and yes the banks get huge tax breaks when they record their losses, which is probably 10 times more than their real cost.



Why should anyone be forced to carry insurance for poor policies? That's communist /socialist.
Why should hospitals be forced to care for the uninsured? If they are poor, they qualify for medicaid, if they are old they qualify for Medicare unless they are just lazy and won't apply for coverage. Ah, then we have laws paying for illegal immigrants that ramp up the cost of our insurance.
Let's not forget the lazy azzz's that spread their legs then demand tax payers pay for their idea of a pill or rubber they call abortion or death to a human by being chopped into pieces.

Why is their lines of 30-50 people deep at all times bogging down emergency rooms with deadbeats during the flu season. Your answer is "everyone should have insurance so the cost would be less, and cover the deadbeats too"?

Why as of June 2016 had only 12.5 million signed up for the exchange, and currently only 10 million signed up? After years of pro-Obamacare tv commercials, radio, liberal mainstream media promoting Obamacare, roadside reader boards, tens of thousands hired to administrate and service, only 12.5 million at its highest enrollment? There are +/- 350 million yet only 12.5 signed? Your great communist idea is everyone sign up, or else? Obama did the or else with fines and still only 12.5 signed on.
Could it be , it is a horrible program with its droots deep in communist /marxist /socialism bit your to blind into being brainwashed to see the boldface writing on the wall.

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Jul 6, 2017 11:41:20   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Geo wrote:
It's all about a tax cut for the wealthy, but if you listen to the GOP, they have so much concern for the needy and they're only thinking about what's best for all of us.

Trump's hate for Obama over rides all reason. He went from promising the best health care you could imagine, better coverage, cheaper rates, health care for all, treatment for addicts that can't get help, to those with preexisting conditions. Now his latest notion is repeal now, replace later. He may not be a great president, but he is a great POS. Why he has one supporter is beyond comprehension.
It's all about a tax cut for the wealthy, but if y... (show quote)


Geo; when do you think the D's will get out of the way so Trump can get America working again?
So far this isn't working very well for America:

burn down businesses.
assassinate the police.
assassinate Republicans.
shut down debates in the public square and universities.
"riots can prevail." It did in Russia 100 years ago.
Out of chaos comes control!!!
Yep! that has been the ticket for the Democrats and their stooges.

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Jul 6, 2017 11:53:08   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
straightUp wrote:
1. The hill behind my neighborhood when it was on fire. The government swooped in with it's firefighters and contained the blaze.
2. WW2.
3. The Crash of 2008. The government bailed out the banks which may sound like a bad deal for the people, but if you know how the economy works, you would know the bail outs actually saved us from soup-lines.



Your an ignorant jackass trying to claim economic understanding with a statement.
Only 8 ish trillion QE was documented. .
OK genius why did obama then have full access to 16 trillion QE?
Why was 3.5 trillion given to Wallstreet instead of mainstreet by obama?

Why was over a trillion QE dollars dedicated to shovel ready jobs, but none spent because there never were any shovel ready job's as obama claimed?
How did bailing Chrysler out with tax payer money help? Had they gone into bankruptcy, they would have been bought out since the buyers would have no "bluesky" to pay. And during the worst buyers where hovering waiting for a cheap buy. Who owns Chrysler, do you even know? Wasnt the idea of bailing it out, was to keep American made car profits in America?
Do you have a clue how much QE was actually used for bank bailout?
What do you understand about unfunded liabilities, and we currently are at 175 trillion -.
Using no QE and managing losses that would end being on the liabilities balance sheet which would have saved American tax payers on the deficit balance sheet so that today it wouldn't be at 20 trillion?
You haven't a clue beyond your media talking points!!!

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Jul 6, 2017 12:09:02   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
The National "debt" is beyond most peoples ability to comprehend. A Trillion is a 1,000 billions or a Million Millions. We have 20 of those.
Abolish the Debt to the Banking Cabal. It is way past time for a Jubilee.
Print US Notes, as per the US Constitution.
The "debt' is unpayable. All money is debt money with interest attached.
Iceland did it right.



jack sequim wa wrote:
Your an ignorant jackass trying to claim economic understanding with a statement.
Only 8 ish trillion QE was documented. .
OK genius why did obama then have full access to 16 trillion QE?
Why was 3.5 trillion given to Wallstreet instead of mainstreet by obama?

Why was over a trillion QE dollars dedicated to shovel ready jobs, but none spent because there never were any shovel ready job's as obama claimed?
How did bailing Chrysler out with tax payer money help? Had they gone into bankruptcy, they would have been bought out since the buyers would have no "bluesky" to pay. And during the worst buyers where hovering waiting for a cheap buy. Who owns Chrysler, do you even know? Wasnt the idea of bailing it out, was to keep American made car profits in America?
Do you have a clue how much QE was actually used for bank bailout?
What do you understand about unfunded liabilities, and we currently are at 175 trillion -.
Using no QE and managing losses that would end being on the liabilities balance sheet which would have saved American tax payers on the deficit balance sheet so that today it wouldn't be at 20 trillion?
You haven't a clue beyond your media talking points!!!
Your an ignorant jackass trying to claim economic ... (show quote)

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Jul 6, 2017 14:37:59   #
Morgan
 
[quote=Randy131]You're really unbelievable, you make up so much stuff up, then you think it is really true. "...banks get huge tax breaks when they record their losses, which is probably 10 times more than their real cost." 'HILLARIOUS"!!!



Morgan wrote:
No shit Sherlock that's exactly what I was said, the insurers pay for it, which is why everyone should carry insurance, and yes the banks get huge tax breaks when they record their losses, which is probably 10 times more than their real cost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_wWFmsA04quote]


Go sell your crazy mantra somewhere else.

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Jul 6, 2017 14:43:46   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Morgan wrote:
Go sell your crazy mantra somewhere else.


The National "debt" is beyond most peoples ability to comprehend. A Trillion is a 1,000 billions or a Million Millions. We have 20 of those.
Abolish the Debt to the Banking Cabal. It is way past time for a Jubilee.
Print US Notes, as per the US Constitution.
The "debt' is unpayable. All money is debt money with interest attached.
Iceland did it right.
They arrested some bankers and politicians that bankrupted their country.
They kicked out the rest of the scammers, and ABOLISHED the "debt".

The MSM is keeping a lid on that.

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Jul 6, 2017 14:54:13   #
Morgan
 
straightUp wrote:
1. The hill behind my neighborhood when it was on fire. The government swooped in with it's firefighters and contained the blaze.
2. WW2.. The Crash of 2008. The government bailed out the banks which may sound like a bad deal for the people, but if you know how the economy works, you would know the bail outs actually saved us from soup-lines.


So true and easily forgotten as in public schools, dot though as ever frustrating but still essential, waste, water, emergency rescue, public libraries, postal service, police, and let us not forget our military.

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Jul 6, 2017 15:13:10   #
Morgan
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Why should anyone be forced to carry insurance for poor policies? That's communist /socialist.
Why should hospitals be forced to care for the uninsured? If they are poor, they qualify for medicaid, if they are old they qualify for Medicare unless they are just lazy and won't apply for coverage. Ah, then we have laws paying for illegal immigrants that ramp up the cost of our insurance.
Let's not forget the lazy azzz's that spread their legs then demand tax payers pay for their idea of a pill or rubber they call abortion or death to a human by being chopped into pieces.

Why is their lines of 30-50 people deep at all times bogging down emergency rooms with deadbeats during the flu season. Your answer is "everyone should have insurance so the cost would be less, and cover the deadbeats too"?

Why as of June 2016 had only 12.5 million signed up for the exchange, and currently only 10 million signed up? After years of pro-Obamacare tv commercials, radio, liberal mainstream media promoting Obamacare, roadside reader boards, tens of thousands hired to administrate and service, only 12.5 million at its highest enrollment? There are +/- 350 million yet only 12.5 signed? Your great communist idea is everyone sign up, or else? Obama did the or else with fines and still only 12.5 signed on.
Could it be , it is a horrible program with its droots deep in communist /marxist /socialism bit your to blind into being brainwashed to see the boldface writing on the wall.
Why should anyone be forced to carry insurance for... (show quote)


Try to get unfixed with the perception of the right, that you are always paying for someone else. If everyone has coverage for themselves the entire dynamics of the cost of insurance will change...period, don't think any further than that. Not everyone is old or poor, the main core of Americans live month by month even though they live in the mean range of income, but today a simple broken arm can cost 10,000.

There is no talking reason with you guys under the brainwashed fallacy that democrats/liberals are socialist/communists/ Marxists/bla, bla bla . The reason the ACA hasn't worked really well, is due to the fact that the right has tried to sabotage the efforts, red state by red state, all the while wanting it to fail. As in my state when under Pat McCorey turned down the federal assistance...why... maybe for the fact that the right works not for the people but for the insurance companies, like your man Mitch McConnell. Did you happen to see the payouts from insurance company lobbyists to the group putting together the health plan?

My you really are on a rant, funny I heard your raw disrespect to the women, but nothing mentioned of the men, newsflash the woman didn't get pregnant all by herself, what, hmm not a word of your male counterparts...typical.

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Jul 6, 2017 17:51:34   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
"They haven't put forth a budget in what three or four years now??? "

Obama did not put forth a national budget in 8 years! Our Kenyan god King was just fine with running trillion dollar deficits per year and the private globalist bankers were more than willing to loan him the money to do so, as long the United States was used as collateral.

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