PZG1225 Loc: Florida

YOU are absolutely correct fidelis!!!

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Is this a new Christian religion, using segments of the other Christian religions for authority? Tell me, what does GOD need to be forgiven for? Who is GOD's judge, you? Who has the right and authority to forgive GOD? Then who is great enough, and yields the authority, to forgive the forgiver of GOD? Sorry for you, but GOD is the ultimate authority, and has no need for forgiveness, for He is good, perfect, and holy beyond human comprehension. Even the Angels, super beings compared to humans, would never have the audacity to think that GOD is in need of their forgiveness, for anything, especially after what GOD did to Lucifer and the third of the Angels who followed Lucifer instead of GOD.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

It's a bit more complicated than what you describe; blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a denial of Truth. To call evil good and good evil is a denial of truth. All Truth, all real Truth, no matter where we find it, emanates from only one source, God the Holy Spirit, also called The Spirit of Truth. Unquestionably, denying Jesus is God is a denial of Truth but so is advocating abortion and homosexuality. The only time any sin is unforgivable is when obstinate human nature refuses to acknowledge God's truth of sin and their dulled uninformed conscience never seeks forgiveness and absolution. To Christians, Truth is a Person, who speaks in absolutes, not a mere principles or subjective relativism. Truth never compromises with lies!

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Close Mike, but no cigar. There is only 'ONE' sin against 'ONE' entity that is unpardonable, not many sins or entities. This may help:

What Is the Unpardonable Sin?

from R.C. Sproul on January 06, 2012

“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation” (Mark 3:28–29).

I cannot tell you how many times in my teaching career very distraught Christians have come to me to ask about the unpardonable sin and whether they might have committed it. I suspect most believers have asked themselves whether they have done something unforgivable. It is not surprising that many people struggle with this issue because the precise nature of “the unpardonable sin” is difficult to discern and many theories about it have been set forth through church history. For instance, some people have argued that the unpardonable sin is murder and others have said that it is adultery, because they see the serious consequences that those sins wreak on the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage. But I can speak with full assurance that neither of those sins is unpardonable. There are two reasons for my assurance. First, Scripture shows us examples of people who committed these sins and were forgiven. Exhibit A is David, who was guilty of both adultery and murder, and yet, after his confession and repentance, he was restored fully to his state of grace. Second, and more important, when Jesus taught on the unpardonable sin, He said nothing about murder or adultery.

Amen:

What, then, did Jesus say? He began in a radical way by saying, “Assuredly, I say to you.” Sometimes evangelical Christians who want to express agreement with something they have heard from a preacher or a teacher will say “Amen.” The word amen is transliterated from the Hebrew amein, which means “truth” or “it is true,” so those saying “Amen” are agreeing with what they have heard. But instead of giving His teaching and waiting for His hearers to say “Amen,” Jesus Himself said “Amen” before He gave His teaching. The word translated as “assuredly” here is the Greek equivalent of the word amein. In other words, Jesus announced that He was about to say something true. This was a way of saying, “Now hear this.” He was giving great emphasis to the teaching He was about to utter.

What is Blasphemy?

Jesus then stated that “all sins” can be forgiven, including “whatever blasphemies”—except for the specific blasphemy of the Spirit. Luke’s account of this teaching is even more specific: “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven” (Luke 12:10).

[Blasphemy] is desecration of the holy character of God… In a sense, it is the opposite of praise. —R.C. Sproul

At this point, we need to define blasphemy, and this verse from Luke gives us a clue as to what it is. The two phrases “who speaks a word against” and “who blasphemes” are parallel. Blasphemy, then, involves speaking a word against God. It is a verbal sin, one that is committed with the mouth or the pen. It is desecration of the holy character of God. It can involve insulting Him, mocking Him, or dishonoring Him. In a sense, it is the opposite of praise. Even casually using the name of God by saying, “Oh, my God,” as so many do, constitutes blasphemy. We can be very thankful that the unpardonable sin is not just any kind of blasphemy, because if it were, none of us would have any hope of escaping damnation. All of us have, at many times and in many ways, routinely blasphemed the name of God.

Blasphemy Against the Son of Man:

Jesus’ statement that “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him” seems shocking in light of the abuse and mistreatment He later went through, culminating in His execution on a Roman cross. But we must remember how, as He hung on the cross, Jesus looked at those who had delivered Him to the Romans and mocked Him as He was dying, and said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do” (Luke 23:34). Even though these men opposed Christ to the point of executing Him, there was still hope of forgiveness for them. Likewise, in the book of Acts, Peter told the people of Jerusalem that they had delivered Jesus to the Romans and denied Him, but he added, “I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers” (Acts 3:17), and he called on them to repent. So, on at least two occasions, the New Testament makes it clear that forgiveness was possible for those who despised Christ so much that they killed Him. These accounts verify Jesus’ assertion that any sin against the Son of Man could be forgiven.

Blasphemy Against the Spirit:

But what of blasphemy against the Spirit? To understand this difficult saying, we need to see that it came in the context of Jesus’ opponents charging Him with doing His work by the power of the Devil rather than by the power of the Holy Spirit. However, they were not slandering the Spirit—not quite. Their statements were directed against Jesus. So, He said to them: “You can blaspheme Me and be forgiven, but when you question the work of the Spirit, you are coming perilously close to the unforgivable sin. You are right at the line. You are looking down into the abyss of hell. One more step and there will be no hope for you.” He was warning them to be very careful not to insult or mock the Spirit.

Christians and The Unpardonable Sin:

Humanly speaking, everyone who is a Christian is capable of committing the unforgivable sin. However, I believe that the Lord of glory who has saved us and sealed us in the Holy Spirit will never let us commit that sin. I do not believe that any Christians in the history of the church have blasphemed the Spirit.

Thanks be to God that the sin that is unpardonable is not a sin He allows His people to commit. —R.C. Sproul

As for those who are not sure they are saved and are worried they may have committed the unpardonable sin, I would say that worrying about it is one of the clearest evidences that they have not committed this sin, for those who commit it are so hardened in their hearts they do not care that they commit it. Thanks be to God that the sin that is unpardonable is not a sin He allows His people to commit.

Excerpt adapted from R.C. Sproul’s Mark, the fifth volume in the St. Andrew’s Expositional Commentary series. Now available in the Ligonier store.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

I stand by my statement. The greatest of all evil is to say evil be thou my good. To say evil is good and good is evil is the greatest of all evil and that is sin against Truth. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. There are plenty of so called Christians and their churches today that sin against the Truth of The Holy Spirit - every single one of them that declare, for example, abortion and the multiple sinful practices of hedonistic behavior acceptable to God.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

I agree with you on what you are calling sin, but I don't believe all of it is the unpardonable sin that Jesus spoke of. But I do agree with you that calling good, evil and evil, good, as well as everything else you said, is sin, just not the unpardonable sin that Jesus spoke of. But one day we shall find out the truth when we stand in front of Jesus and are judged.

susanblange Loc: USA

I am not a Christian. I practice my own flavor of Judaism, and I call it Biblical Judaism. When the Messiah comes, she will unite the Jews in one common set of beliefs. Isaiah 52:8. "...for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion". Everybody has sinned, including the Messiah. There is iniquity in her youth. The Messiah is God incarnate and she is bound by the flesh. Christians forgive without repentance and they believe you have to for their own forgiveness. God was a sinner, but she has never been wicked. She is now perfect and holy. If we do not forgive God, then God cannot forgive us. We are all bound by the same rules, God is not a hypocrite. The sin of the world will be laid upon the Messiah's shoulders. Isaiah 53:6. She is the second and one seed of Eve. Genesis 3:15. Not only was Eve Adam's wife, she was also his daughter.

susanblange Loc: USA

The most deadly sins that humans can commit are any sins against God's person. This includes blasphemy, hatred of God, and ticking God off. Proverbs 8:36 "But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death". Psalm 2:12 "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little". Most people hate God. Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men..." God will judge the inhabitants of the earth by fire on the second Day of the Lord, which I call Judgment Day. 97% of earth's inhabitants will be cut off, but it's a lot better than the eight people who survived Noah's flood. Isaiah 24:6 "Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left".

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Hey, good enough, you showed us what your spiel is now, that you've invented your own religion, and you're using certain passages from the Torah and Bible to authenticate your beliefs, while ignoring others that speak against what you believe. Must be nice to choose what you want to believe from these holy books, while ignoring or insinuating other passages from the same books are incorrect and wrong. The one thing that Jews and Christians have learned and believe about their GOD is that He is and has 'CONSTANCY', and when that is lacking, it does not come from the one and only true GOD, such as what you pofess to believe in, and only accept parts of those holy books that you want to believe, while ignoring the rest of GOD's constancy.

susanblange Loc: USA

Judgment Day is the day you die. God is only going to judge the worst thing we've ever done. If we have repented and made atonement for our sin, and have not committed a deadly sin, and the worst thing we've done is forgivable, then we're forgiven.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

So says the religion of Susan, let it be written, so let it be done. As for me, I'll accept what GOD says and commands, not a woman's made up religion.

susanblange Loc: USA

Proverbs 14:15 "The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going". I do not believe everything in the OT, and I reject the NT outright. I am a fundamentalist, but the Bible is not perfect. It was recorded by humans and there is some human error. But it is remarkably accurate and most of it has already been fulfilled. I am confident the rest will be fulfilled as well.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Good luck on your recruitment of people to your church, as for me, I have one that I belong to and believe in, and I will worship my GOD from that view point, which is consistent with all the Torah and Bible, not just parts of them, while ignoring other parts of them.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Sorry, but you are completely outside any sensible/theological dialogue regarding the Christian faith.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

As I understand your dialogue, you believe that there is a sin that even Jesus, as Savior, is incapable of forgiving from a person who recognizes he has grievously sinned against the Holy Spirit's Truth, is truly repentant, intends to amend his life, confesses his sin and seeks forgiveness and absolution. I understand that a person that is hardened to his sin, refuses to acknowledge his sin and has no intention of ever seeking forgiveness has committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.