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May 11, 2017 15:11:40   #
Rivers
 
slatten49 wrote:
As are you, Rivers.


Yep, you're just a big mouth limp wrist pussy hiding behind a keyboard.

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May 11, 2017 15:23:45   #
vernon
 
slatten49 wrote:
Matt Bai

Yahoo News, May 11, 2017

I was 6 years old when Richard Nixon resigned the presidency on a sweltering August day. One of my earliest memories is of sitting in the back of my mother’s Volkswagen Bug, listening to her and my grandmother discuss Nixon’s almost certain impeachment.

What I mostly remember of that time, though, and I stipulate that this may come as much from the books I read later as it did from my own foggy experience, is an overwhelming sense of relief. Technically, Nixon’s crime had to do with plotting against his enemies and lying about it. But his unforgivable transgression lay in squandering the emotional energy of a country, dragging the electorate through an exhausting ordeal that seemed, increasingly, to be about nothing but his own survival.

This is why the most resonant line from that period came not from Nixon or his accusers, but from the man who mercifully pardoned him. “Our long national nightmare is over,” Gerald Ford said, eliciting a national sigh.

In effect, he was giving grateful Americans permission to finally leave politics in the 6 o’clock news, where it belonged, and go back to their bowling nights and disaster movies.

I’m reminded of this now not because I think there’s some perfect parallel between Donald Trump’s firing of the FBI director and Nixon’s savaging of his own Justice Department (which, by the way, I recounted in this January column, before Trump started firing everyone who was investigating him). We’re a long way from impeachment proceedings, and Trump’s latest move strikes me more as the imperious instinct of a tycoon than as the desperate lunge of a guilty man.

No, I go back to 1974 because, more and more, it seems to me that Trump is headed down the same broad path as Nixon, whether it ends in evidence of wrongdoing or merely in political paralysis. His undoing probably won’t be abuse of power or a cover-up, but rather our own inevitable, creeping fatigue.

In a sense, it was this same kind of national weariness that helped propel Trump to where he is in the first place. What so many voters didn’t like about the prospect of another Clinton presidency, aside from the whiny self-absorption of the candidate and her surrounding cast, was the near certainty of more never-ending drama.

After all the years of Whitewater and Ken Starr and a longer list of “gates” than you could find at O’Hare, even Democrats had little enthusiasm, understandably, for a Clinton spinoff.

This was the main effect of James Comey’s intervention during the fall campaign. It reminded everybody that this cyclical business about the email server — self-righteous allegations, breathless coverage, clueless non-denials and insincere apologies — would just never go away.

You can understand why a lot of Americans decided it was better to sit through a movie they hadn’t seen before, even if the reviews were dreadful and their expectations low, than to see the plodding, predictable show that would just go on and on until you decided to suffocate yourself in the popcorn bucket.

But if what we wanted was less of the unrelenting drama, then Trump Tower was pretty much the worst place we could have looked. It’s not just that Trump’s constantly bumbling into ethical dilemmas, or lashing out at critics and ratings competitors, or tweeting yet again about an election that’s now six months behind us.

It’s not simply that this whole fiasco involving Russian hackers and Trump campaign aides has already spawned multiple investigations and isn’t going away anytime soon, especially since Trump seems bent on sidelining anyone who gets a foothold into the evidence.

It’s that Trump can’t stand to simply exist for five minutes. His need is overpowering, his insecurity limitless.

Do I think Trump fired Comey because he hadn’t managed to create some all-consuming controversy in a week? No. Clearly Comey wasn’t hearing the order to stand down, and Trump isn’t used to being challenged by people he employs.

But do I think he pulled the trigger when he did because he wasn’t dominating the narrative? Yes. If Trump isn’t holding an audience, dread envelops him.

Trump became president — in large part, I think — because his staff shoved him into a closet for the last few weeks of the campaign, forcing voters to focus more on his opponent than on whatever insane impulse floated into his sleepless brain. But that’s over. No one keeps a lid on Trump now.

For the first few months, this constant provocation was simply disorienting, like getting hit by a flying brick every morning. For the past few months, it’s been sort of engrossing, in the same way that “24” kept you wondering which of the odious bureaucrats was about to be unmasked as a spy.

But “24” had its run, and so will Trump. You can resuscitate the lifeless hero only so many times before people tune out.

Americans really do want a radical reordering of the political system. But after a time, we appreciate normalcy, too. As Ohio’s governor, John Kasich, put it when I talked to him last week (echoing a line President Obama used to use): “At some point, the fever will break.”

Jimmy Carter surfed into Washington on a tsunami of popular revolt. But after a few years of gas shortages and nuclear crises and satellites falling from the skies, voters were more than ready for a little stability. It felt too much like a mirror image of the Nixon years — an unceasing cascade of headlines and controversies, one on top of the other, crowding out the space for everyday life.

The society is different now, of course. The partisan tribes who live on the plains of social media will beat their drums daily until the herds disappear. Bored and angry at the world, they crave the constant hum of existentialism.

But that’s not where the vast majority of Americans live. They want change, but not chaos exploding daily all around them. They’ll take a strong, entertaining personality, all right, but not if it means that politics has to become the subtext for every conversation at family dinners and Little League games.

I once heard a criminologist suggest that, in a way, methamphetamine was a less harmful drug than heroin. That’s because a person can exist on heroin for a long time, just sort of lolling around, but meth brings you to the bottom in a hurry. The addiction is shorter, the collapse and recovery unavoidable.

Maybe that’s where we are with Trump. Maybe he’s our political meth. The egomania, the rashness, the multi-front war on everyone in his way and some who aren’t — this is not sustainable in a country that cares about other things.

So if you believe, as I do, that Trump is unlikely to govern well in any event, you should be glad to see him fire Comey. You should hope he digs in, antagonizes Congress and law enforcement, tries to shut down the media, or whatever other kind of crazy compels him.

Because the more he flails at enemies and flexes the muscle of his office, the more Americans will seek shelter from the raining blows. And the further his approval ratings drop, the further members of his own party will run in the other direction, leaving Trump isolated and diminished.

And the sooner, perhaps, this particular nightmare will abate.
Matt Bai br br Yahoo News, May 11, 2017 br br I... (show quote)



This has no comparison to this and Watergate.Watergate was Nixon trying to cover a crime this firing was getting rid of a complete boob who had no qualifications for that job and should never have happened.Now this thing about Trump is nothing but demorat lies,which is going to blow up in the partys faces.Hell if you had seen Clapper & Sally Yates on tv you know there is nothing to any of this.It's just an attempt to destroy Trumps presidency.And i call that treason.

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May 11, 2017 15:26:50   #
vernon
 
And the demorats are going to try to keep this crud going until the next election.

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May 11, 2017 15:48:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rivers wrote:
Pretty brave hiding behind your keyboard, limp wrist.

I might add, one probable difference between you and I is that one of us has traveled over the country and met up with about 15-16 OPP posters of various ideological persuasions. Well over half of them included several of the most highly respected hard-line conservatives on the forum...damn fine people, as all others were, too. None had any problems discussing topics or matters without vulgarity, name-calling, juvenile insults or ad hominem attacks such as are commonplace for you and others. They recognized, possibly, that being moderate/centrist allows me to see and respect both sides of political leanings. By listening to another who may disagree with your perspective, it is not necessary for one to agree, but to show them the courtesy you expect from them when you speak/write. Reasonable people are allowed reasonable differences. That attitude likely comes from my being raised in a rather eclectic, dual-family situation that allowed for varying input throughout my youth and adult life. But, I don't turn a cheek easily when challenged or confronted. I just try as much as possible to remain civil and respectful. That is, until given little or no choice.

With a nod and great respect to Loki, one of those posters and a good friend of mine...I will quote him from just this morning..."I would like to say that agree or disagree, Liberal or Conservative, the posters on OPP at least care enough to get mad and get involved, which puts all of us, both left and right, light years ahead of the average clueless and apathetic voter." I agree, wholeheartedly.

I close by stating (once again) that I plan another trip cross-country, most likely next Spring, if not early this Fall. I will travel throughout parts of the south, short of Florida, in my travels, and will once again make stops to visit with OPP'ers in a number of states. I would be more than happy to meet with you on that particular trip or another (half-way, perhaps?) if it doesn't take me too terribly far out of my way. We could discuss things further.

BTW, I never take my desk-top computer keyboard with me on trips.

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May 11, 2017 15:55:22   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rivers wrote:
Yep, you're just a big mouth limp wrist pussy hiding behind a keyboard.

Your comments paint you quite nicely as someone/something quite distinctive, Rivers, and it is not a pretty picture. As I wrote earlier, it is clear that Will Rogers never met you. I will suggest he could not have even imagined one so vile and disgusting as you.

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May 11, 2017 16:00:27   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
slatten49 wrote:
Your comments paint you quite nicely as something quite distinctive, Rivers, and it is not a pretty picture. As I wrote earlier, it is clear that Will Rogers never met you. I will suggest he could not have even imagined one so vile and disgusting as you.



It's good to know I'm not alone in my thoughts/perceptions...

Btw, good article, thanks for the read. 👍

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May 11, 2017 16:22:38   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
vernon wrote:
This has no comparison to this and Watergate.Watergate was Nixon trying to cover a crime this firing was getting rid of a complete boob who had no qualifications for that job and should never have happened.Now this thing about Trump is nothing but demorat lies,which is going to blow up in the partys faces.Hell if you had seen Clapper & Sally Yates on tv you know there is nothing to any of this.It's just an attempt to destroy Trumps presidency.And i call that treason.

I watched much, if not most, of Clapper's and Yate's testimony.

I appreciate both your comments and perspective, Vernon, with this minor difference: I call it partisan politics, just as this nation has exhibited countless times over its history. I also suggest you read my reply, if you choose, to Pafret's earlier posting.

I also respect and appreciate the fact that both you and he responded with a comment directed at the article and the author, without a constant barrage of pointless, hateful drivel and ad hominem attacks. Thank you.

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May 11, 2017 16:29:05   #
Rivers
 
slatten49 wrote:
Your comments paint you quite nicely as someone/something quite distinctive, Rivers, and it is not a pretty picture. As I wrote earlier, it is clear that Will Rogers never met you. I will suggest he could not have even imagined one so vile and disgusting as you.
Your comments paint you quite nicely as someone/so... (show quote)


Your two-cent bullshit opinion means nothing to me, so you can take it and put it where the sun doesn't shine. And, one can't imagine one as much of an asshole as you, pal....so, stuff it.

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May 11, 2017 16:48:52   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Worried for our children wrote:
It's good to know I'm not alone in my thoughts/perceptions...

Btw, good article, thanks for the read. 👍

Always good to hear from you, WFOC, regardless of the circumstances. I consider you one of the sanest contributors to the forum, and one whose voice I consider a voice of reason. Having said that, I believe you had previously expressed to me that my methods are not always due to 'madness,' but in hopefully getting viable feedback on the serious threads that I post. Some just don't get what I perceive the purpose of OPP to be.

One thing I noticed from comments was that none critical of the article pointed out the criticism or negatives of President Nixon, the Clintons or President Carter. Their skin got thin and irritated only when it spoke to President Trump's situation. As President Truman had been quoted as saying both, I repeat these...'the buck stops here,' and 'if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.' I'll never truly understand why anyone would want that job, regardless of the power & prestige.

Without going into it much, Rivers seems to have now declared war on me. His opening volley was to put me on his ignore list, and then proceed to continue attacking me...with my invite/permission. I liken him to a gnat attempting to bite one on the butt through the heavy denim of work overalls...of little significance or consequence.

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May 11, 2017 16:56:43   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rivers wrote:
Your two-cent bullshit opinion means nothing to me, so you can take it and put it where the sun doesn't shine. And, one can't imagine one as much of an asshole as you, pal....so, stuff it.

I can certainly tell it meant nothing to you, but....I can't imagine anything meaning much to you as you haven't the intellectual capacity to comprehend anything above a toddler's ability to do so. As it has been often said, "Ignorance is bliss." You must be deliriously happy in your DC comics' Bizarro world. Hey, we're pals now

BTW, I notice that you are also in hiding at your other safe place, Snowflake.

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May 11, 2017 17:29:49   #
Rivers
 
slatten49 wrote:
I can certainly tell it meant nothing to you, but....I can't imagine anything meaning much to you as you haven't the intellectual capacity to comprehend anything above a toddler's ability to do so. As it has been often said, "Ignorance is bliss." You must be deliriously happy in your DC comics' Bizarro world. Hey, we're pals now

BTW, I notice that you are also in hiding at your other safe place, Snowflake.
I can certainly tell it meant nothing to you, but.... (show quote)


STFU....limp wrist. Your opinion and 5 bucks will buy a cheap cup of coffee. Crawl back under your rock....we're done, asshole.

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May 11, 2017 17:41:40   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rivers wrote:
STFU....limp wrist. Your opinion and 5 bucks will buy a cheap cup of coffee. Crawl back under your rock....we're done, asshole.

You had been measured, quartered, sliced, diced, done and served up as irrelevant for some time now, Rivers. Seek shelter in your safe place...shall we call it 'Snowflake Heaven ' I hope cats don't ruin conditions in your sandbox.

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May 11, 2017 18:49:00   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
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May 11, 2017 18:58:43   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
slatten49 wrote:
Always good to hear from you, WFOC, regardless of the circumstances. I consider you one of the sanest contributors to the forum, and one whose voice I consider a voice of reason. Having said that, I believe you had previously expressed to me that my methods are not always due to 'madness,' but in hopefully getting viable feedback on the serious threads that I post. Some just don't get what I perceive the purpose of OPP to be.

Thank you for saying that, it means a lot coming from a man with a level of knowledge and life experience that you possess, I appreciate it.

And, your belief is accurate. There are few here that understand when a person is trying to elicit independent thought, which I believe is the intent by the various positions you may take on various topics. Like I said before, I really enjoy your approach, and hope you never change.
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One thing I noticed from comments was that none critical of the article pointed out the criticism or negatives of President Nixon, the Clintons or President Carter. Their skin got thin and irritated only when it spoke to President Trump's situation. As President Truman had been quoted as saying both, I repeat these...'the buck stops here,' and 'if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.' I'll never truly understand why anyone would want that job, regardless of the power & prestige.
One thing I noticed from comments was that none cr... (show quote)

I noticed the exact same thing. I understand defending a candidate you may have supported against false accusations, but that's entirely different from blind party loyalty, all candidates are human, and all humans are fallible, it's important to keep an open mind. Like myself for example. Due to my age, and poor performance in school, I am forced to do so, if I ever expect to attain well rounded knowledge to pass on to my children. And you sir, over the past four years have given me invaluable guidance in my approach. This thread is a good example. I wasn't even born when those five men were arrested for breaking into DNC headquarters, and was just a year and a half old when president Ford ultimately issued his pardon. A bit younger than the author. I've had to do a lot of independent reading since my school days in order to catch up, it's a work in progress. 😁
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Without going into it much, Rivers seems to have now declared war on me. His opening volley was to put me on his ignore list, and then proceed to continue attacking me...with my invite/permission. I liken him to a gnat attempting to bite one on the butt through the heavy denim of work overalls...of little significance or consequence.

In order for one to wage a war against a person's character in an open forum, that person would need a lot of support, and additionally would need substantiated facts; Rivers (or rather the former member a.k.a JMHO??) has neither.

Thanks again, Slatten. I hope to one day be added to the list of folks you've met from OPP. 👍👍

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May 11, 2017 19:41:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Worried for our children wrote:
In order for one to wage a war against a person's character in an open forum, that person would need a lot of support, and additionally would need substantiated facts; Rivers (or rather the former member a.k.a JMHO??) has neither.

Thanks again, Slatten. I hope to one day be added to the list of folks you've met from OPP. 👍👍

That would prove to be a distinct pleasure for me, as I would thoroughly enjoy meeting you and yours. Also, in being able to enjoy visiting the area home to the birthplace of the great American experiment...with Massachusetts in general, and Boston's Fenway Park specifically.

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